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Hi

I've been reading some blogs from last year about Modic Type 1 and II changes in lower back. I have lived with lower back pain all my adult life. I've had 2 MRIs in the last 12 years and have just learnt about what the results of the latest MRI mean. I am interested to connect with people who have had, or are under-going the antibiotic treatment for Modic type 2 changes.

Jo

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    Hi jo41784,

    First, you want to make sure your last MRI was done on a low field unit. High field units commonly mistake modic 1 for modic 2. Since Modic changes are a dynamic process, with Modic 2 capable of reverting to Modic 1, you should have a recent MRI using a low field unit in order to correctly type the changes.

    From the other thread at https://patient.info/forums/discuss/please-assist-has-anyone-got-modic-changes-in-their-spine-tried-dr-hannah-s-antibiotic-protocol-mast--40780

    I believe JaneMSH https://patient.info/forums/profiles/janemsh-45482 has Modic 2.

    All the best

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      Thanks very much Mastdoc. How do I determine whether the MRI used low or high field units? Contact the radiology dept? The summary notes on the report seem quite conclusive "....changes most pronouced at L5/S1 with marginal osteophytes and modic type II changes of the endplates"......

      You clearly know what you are talking about which is re-assuring. (I've NEVER blogged in my life & was quite nervous about using this as a fact-finding route!)

      thanks in advance

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      Hi,

      It may indicate low field (0.25T) and high field (1.5T or 3.0T). If not, you can call the radiology dept. Remember, Modic 2 can change to Modic 3 or back to Modic 1. There are also mixed types, so it is important to have a fairly recent study. However, if it is a high field and you have an agreeable doctor or access to a MAST center. They are treating some Modic 2's, but no big study yet,

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      Hi Mastdoc

      Your advice so far has been very helpful. I've contacted the radiology dept and have found out that the scan was lowfield 1.5 tefler. I have no idea what that means.

      Regards MAST centres, I've read some of the posts and Broadgate keeps popping up in conversations. I live some way away from London. What would your advice be to someone like me who lives in rural middle england! I am now in a position where I understand what the MRI results mean, I'm just uncertain as to how I engage my GP to refer me back to the right people/put me on a trial. Any recommendations?

      Jo

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      Interesting, 1.5 is usually high field. T is usually Tesla.I would seek a MAST center. (Modic Antibiotic Spinal Therapy). There should be one not too far, perhaps someone on this board in your area can assist you. That way you don't have to play games. I wish I could be more helpful, but I'm across the pond, where there are no MAST ceneters....yet.
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      Could you explain to me why my mri scan has come back with long standing degeneractive disc at the lumbesacral junction they says no evidence of compromise at the nerve root at this level

      Booth legs have gone numb from the top of leg down to the toes

      I know it's off topic but the specialist has not explain

      Thank you

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      Hi

      Thanks again for your reply. I probably misheard Tesla for 'tefler' so that would explain that. I was posing as the secretary to my rhuematologist so I was a tad fraught! But succesful nonetheless in getting what I needed to know!  Definitely lowfield though. I've got a list of 4 MAST centres in the UK. So next stop is my GP. Thanks again for your help and advice. Strange thinking of you on the other side of the pond! Hope the weather is warming up there. It's pretty darn cold here at the mo!

      All the best,

      Jo

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      Glad to hear you are in the right direction and I hope things work out. Snowing here now! No studies yet, but I think Modic changes hate cold - alot! Oy! Looks like a foot of snow forcasted for this wekend! Anyway, please check; it may be different over your side, but here, 1.5T is certainly high field.

      We get snow and you get 4 MAST centers! #@!&^

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      Hi Mastdoc

      THought you'd appreciate knowing I've been extremely successful in my discussions with my GP this morning. I've just been prescribed 8 weeks of augmentin!

      Just come on here to do some more research on 'coping' with the side effects of taking the prescription. I'm armed and ready for certain...uncomfortable side effects. Just wondering if you were aware of anything else I can do to help myself. I've been advised (by my local herbalist) to use OptiBac for the probiotic. I had read however, that SVL (?) comes recommended. If you can shed any advice, please do let me know.

      All the best for now.

      Jo

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      Hi Jo,

      Great news and best of luck!

      SVL - not sure? Streptomyces violaceusniger or salivary viral loads? Might want to clarify this.

      I think this is a great question, so I posted a new thread. https://patient.info/forums/discuss/help-with-side-effects-taking-antibiotics-for-back-pain-359675

      I have some information on dealing with antibiotic side effects that I posted there. I am not an expert on this, but I think many could benefit from individual experiences or perhaps suggestions from pharmacists. I would like to know more about this.

      I hope you will benefit greatly from the protocol and do have some suggestions at the new thread!

      Steve

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    Hi

    i have had a bout of lower back pain for five months now, but it affects my legs so I can't walk far. Do you have these symptoms.

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      Hi Paulette59

      No, I've never experienced problems with my legs. I get cramp in the arch of my right foot on occassion after exercise but nothing in my legs. I believe that is sciatica?

      Jo

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