Bad Breath/reflux? pnd? infection? Something else?
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Hi,
I wasn't sure where to put this duscussion.
I've had bad breath (especially horrendous morning breath) for as long as I can remember. Probably for a good 10 years or so? (I'm 29)
I've also experience what I think is possible post nasal drip (tongue is always coated. Often feel mucus on back of throat and need to clear my thoat)
and some sort of acid reflux in my throat (occasional burning sensation below my adams apple)
Both the possible PND and reflux seemed to come on after already having bad breath for a numbe of years though, so i'm not sure if they're even related? The reflux feeling is fairly infrequent.
I also occasionally get tonsil stones.
I have good oral health. Brush twice per day, floss, moutwash. Dentist confirmed gums are healthy.
Yet I can taste bad breath coming on again shortly after my morning routine.
NOW, I recently took metronidazole for something completely unrelated, and to my utter amazement, my breath became as fresh as a babies! Reflief after a decade! Even my morning breath smelt of nothing.
I was so happy until I read online that other people had experienced this phenomenen, but that the bad breath returns when you stop taking the antibiotic.
I stopped taking it 4 days ago, and I think that my breath may finally be reverting back This morning wasn't quite as fresh as yesterdays. I'm depressed now that my bad breath is likely to return in full force within a few days.
I'm wondering if anyone can shed any light?
Anyone been in the same boat and found a cure?
Can any knowledge be gained from the fact that the antibiotic temporaily cured me or not?
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bingals mike666
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You said your BB was coming from your mouth or tonsils. I suspect it also came from your throat and your nasal drainage. The white coating in your toungue is called thrush cause by yeast overgrowth. AVoid all kinds of SUGAR, CHEESE, DAIRY, ALCOHOL, COFFEE, WHEAT, and limit your grains intake. Get tested for H. pylori bacteria as it causes severe halitosis if you have gastritis or ulcer. Cleanse your nasal drainage regularly using Apple Cider Vinegar with sea salt. If you have sinus infections and tonsil stones it's because the bacteria resides in the tonsil crypts and at the back of your throat. You need to cleanse it daily and regularly. Some people took 6 months to 1 year before they get good result or depending on how severe their symptoms are. Remember, there is no 1 night meracle cure for severe halitosis. You have to be patient and listen to your body as well as your gut. Read articles about GAPS diet and paleo. Also, prolong intake of antibiotics is not a good idea as it can damage your kidneys. Try natural antibiotic herbal supplements it has no side effects if taken long term. Check your Ph balance, if you have low stomach acid bad bacteria will increase in numbers especially if you have taken antibiotics regularly. Drinking Apple Cider Vinegar (organic) 1 tbsp. with warm water 1-3 times a day will keep your body ph in balance. Have you tried FOOD GRADE HYDROGEN PEROXIDE (3%) It is lethal for anaerobic bacteria. Dilute 3% HP in room temperature water then use it for gargle. Do not use commercial mouthwashes. You can also use it as nasal spray diluted in water. Hope this helps!
julian18520 mike666
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everyone is different but this worked for me.
I have included a photo of what I use.
I bought a waterpik
Nasal irrigator syringe
Small Tonsil Irrigator syringe
Floss
Tongue Scraper
Dental Light
Dental Probe (Important if live in UK)
Saline - 2 parts baking soda 1 part salt
Oral B Electric Toothbrush
plaque remover
grapefruit seed extract
Here is what I found out.
I find that UK dentists want you in and out and sometimes miss cavities.
So I bought a probe which used to find every cavity before going to the dentist.
This helped tremendously because you could have cavities without knowing and trust me they stink.
So get all your teeth sorted first.
Use the waterpik to blast out the tonsil stones. I found that the stones were not forming in the tonsils but in the Lingual Tonsils and then at night my actual tonsils were collecting these little buggers.
Post Nasal Drip and my acid reflux were causing my tongue to get coated (This was the Key) you need to clean twice per day the Lingual Tonsils at the very back of the tongue. If you stick your tongue out as far as you can then take your middle finger and press down on the tongue or even use a spoon. This will reveal the lingual tonsils. It was coated like hell and it was really smelly. This is where the BB was coming from and with most cases on here.
Floss your teeth daily and smell it. If it smells then you can eliminate that.
Use the little tonsil irrigator syring and blast the tonsils once per day
Irrigate your nasal passages with the big syringe once per day.
I fill a cup with warm distilled water from the kettle and half a teaspoon of saline and also add 10 drops of grapefruit seed extract. This helped a lot
Use the tongue scraper and I put a few drops of GSE on it. Now the key is to clean away all the bacteria especially at the very back over the Lingual Tonsils.
Then I clean my teeth with the electric.
You can also use the mirror to see whats going on at the back
After doing all of this my tonsil stones stopped and bad breath gone.
The main things for me what were causing BB was
Clean Lingual Tonsils
Nasal Flush with saline and GSE
But the big TWO FOR ME was KEEP THE TONGUE CLEAN
Probing for CAVITIES so the dentist knows where to look and FLOSSiNG
I have not had a single stone and no more BAD BREATH
Hope this helps.
If you need any advice then please feel free.
christophe54136 julian18520
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errorcode julian18520
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U mentioned treating the acid reflux is the key
Can u please mention how did u cure that
jenniferthomas mike666
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brandon25221 mike666
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I remember when I first joined this forum- desperate and to be quite honest even suicidal. I had lost all hope and I was crying my breath to sleep every night from the torture that us ppl with bad breath go to everyday.
I want to take this opportunity to thank God for introducing the Internet and Mike666 to my life because after 6 years I have met 'my enemy'.
those who follow me know that I had an appointment for an endoscopy, I did go for it and....drumroll.....I tested Positive for something they call H pylori which is what was causing the bad breath. All the time I have been having bad bad post nasal drip and I was thinking I have sinusitis but no, I have been having H.pylori all my life and I didn't know. many people aren't aware that the sinus drainage is connected to the digestive system and my sinuses where infected by the H pylori- makes a lot of sense I must say.
After receiving the 'good' news the doctor prescribed me a quadruple therapy which is the medication I'm taking to eradicate the H pylori 1. amoxilin 2. metronidazole (rings a bell) 3.PPI for balancing acids in the stomach.
but all u guys are waiting for a success story...... YES the bad breath is being destroyed I can feel it, and I can smell the improvement
brandon25221 mike666
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I remember when I first joined this forum- desperate and to be quite honest even suicidal. I had lost all hope and I was crying my breath to sleep every night from the torture that us ppl with bad breath go through everyday.
I want to take this opportunity to thank God for introducing the Internet and Mike666 to my life because after 6 years I have now met 'my enemy'.
Those who follow me know that I had an appointment for an endoscopy, I did go for it and....drumroll.....I tested Positive for something they call H pylori (famous word in this forum) which is what was causing the bad breath. All the time I have been having bad bad post nasal drip and I was thinking I have sinusitis but no, I have been having H.pylori all my life and I didn't know. many people aren't aware that the sinus drainage is connected to the digestive system and my sinuses where infected by the H pylori- makes a lot of sense I must say.
After receiving the 'good' news the doctor prescribed me a quadruple therapy which is the medication I'm taking to eradicate the H pylori 1. amoxilin 2. metronidazole (rings a bell) 3.PPI for balancing acids in the stomach.
but all u guys are waiting for a success story...... YES the bad breath is being destroyed I can feel it, I can smell the improvement but most importantly people are now starting to be comfortable speaking in close proximity with me.
I will update you guys at the end of my medication if the bad breath is gone. for now go get tested for Hpylori!!! research it!!! to the people who tell others to floss till u bleed, to gargle with baby shampoo, to eat lots of yogurt please stop it. Halitosis is a serious illness not yet given the attention it deserves because it's not suffered by the majority but it is a serious sickness! it's an alarm telling you you're sick and you need medical help not a bloody tongue scraper, I'll give u a long list of people with horrible oral hygiene but have baby fresh breath.
I'm so happy for myself, 6 years guys...6 years my life on pause, now I can press the resume button. thanks Mike666, i hope you find your good breath aswel.
rajesh59961 brandon25221
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Ur message is like God sent!!So grateful for you to have posted your findings..For the 2 years I hv been suffering from bad smell ..I went to many dentists,Checkef for Sinusoitis,all of them were in vain !!Was soooooo frustrating!!Now ur message has given me a new hope becoz I do suffer from acidity !!So I will get this checked with Gastro specialist!!Thanks a millions to Mike,You and every one who is sharing on this forum!!Means lot lot for me
apple02827 brandon25221
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im so sad i wish i can find a dr that will suggest for new test of bacteria
i was just planning to go for natural/herbal method of killing bacteria...
btw, did you undergone encoscopy with biopsy?
anyway,thanks again,now i can fully focus on one thing
and please update us again once you are fully recovered if how long you will be on antibiotics....GOD BLESS
kevin2015 apple02827
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Don't lose hope, go see another doctor that are willing to help. What I'm doing now is checking from top to bottom. ENT then chest then digestion system. Don't mix it up focus on 1 at a time fix and rule put any of the problem causing the bad breath.
I have my tonsil removed 3 years ago and thought my bad breath was resolved. My next ent visit will try to get them to check my
Adenoids, sinus and other parts that might cause bad breath.
apple02827 brandon25221
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apple02827 kevin2015
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have you undergo hpylori test?
kevin2015 apple02827
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So I need to find out all possiblity by myself and switching to a different doctor that might be able to help. I had hpylori tested positive before and was cure but they can reinfect at any given time.
My bad breath is getting worse this couple of years.
My next step is to check from top to bottom it will cost me a lot of money but it needs to be done otherwise I'm getting no where in my life...
apple02827 kevin2015
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i only have silent reflux right now compared before that it was really worst but my BB gets worst and worst ;(
meg48249 apple02827
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I was wondering if you could describe your breath odor. Mine is like fart/fecal/garbage/sewage... And I'm looking into TMAU. Will be working to convince my GP to send me for a test.
apple02827 meg48249
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what is TMAU by the way?
meg48249 apple02827
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apple02827 meg48249
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im trying restricting myself from taking food...im trying naturaland herbal step by step..will see if theres changes...as i cant just wait and rely from doctors,i have to look and try other way too..
please update me always from your side
abike84534 apple02827
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abike84534 meg48249
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kevin2015 meg48249
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I don't really know because people are honest with my breath and I'm too embarrassed to ask and when I ask my doctor he don't admit I have breath bad and you see him cough and pick he's noise etc. My hygienist think the smell could be from the stomach and my dentiest with the Halimeter test think it's from the sinus...
kevin2015
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kevin2015 abike84534
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I think you should see a family doctor first and see if they can refer you to an ENT and gastroenterology specialist.
meg48249 kevin2015
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Same thing happens to me, my doctor told me he couldn't smell anything from me... Yet acts as if he wanted to throw up, coughs and the usual nose crinkling. But I'm still glad because he gave me a referral to get tested for TMAU. In my case, I am suspecting my smell could be coming from my nose or mouth.. But I guess it only comes and goes.
I hate to say this, but I'm wishing that those people who were cruel to my condition will experience the same thing. My only point is I want them to know how it feels.
abike84534 kevin2015
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rajesh59961 brandon25221
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After you had posted your findings on H.Pylori I went to Gastro specialist..He asked me to do a stools culture test first..I was tested positive for Bacteria in my stools!!!!Thanks to you providing me your feedback.Atleast I know now I hv a gut infection..Before doing H.pylori test doctor a course of Rifaximin 400mg for 2 weeks along with acid reflux tablets..After taking this my symptoms (bad breath)have come down 50%..Still I hv two more weeks of medicine left..Will keep you guys updated..But Thank you and Mike and all others who are sharing in this forum..Becoz of this I am able to find the root cause to my problems
chris03274 abike84534
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I'm wondering how things turned out?
I statred filtering this forum & read that this BB smell is like fecal, fart.
I'm wondering if you took care of it?
lucy23888 meg48249
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