bloods tests dont show inflammtion

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Hi there just wondered if u can still have PMR even though your blood tests show no inflammtion.I have got widespread muscle pains which is worse in neck shoulders and hips but i hurt all over this has been going on for 18 months now ive had loads of  blood tests but they carnt seem to find a problem the doctors have started me on 10mg of prednisolone a day for 2 weeks to see if it helps the pain just seems to be getting worse.

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    Thanks for the reply everyone I have just started the 10mg today so will see in a few days if it helps I'm only 38 I will be 39 on Monday is this to young to get pmr

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      I don't think it is too young, but it is unusual.  Your response to pred will be a key diagnostic tool for the doctor, and it could be because of your age that's why they're trying with such a low dose as they don't want a higher dose to possibly mask some other disorder.  Patience!

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    FYI my first bout was @ 53,  second @ 63. sero-negative

     both times. In such cases....short term prednisone can be used as a diagnostic tool. If PMR, you may see dramatic, nay, Miraculous results. 6-10 hours.

    Best of luck, and we all hope the pred does it, but are sad to welcome you to our club.

     

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      well i,m 68 and although have had aches and pains on and off, back troubles come and go, through years, this was different, slowly developed from sept to full blown agony by oct 8, and yes, first dose of 40 mg pred, same day, few hrs later, no symptons, only have experienced lately now as tapered per dr instr, bout 3 every day, down to 20, which i have been on for a week now, feeling same in am,s as i did leading up to full blown pain,
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    Yes, about 1 in 5 patients with PMR and GCA don't have raised ESR and CRP. 

    However - as has already been said - 10mg is a fairly useless dose. The recommended starting dose in the most recent international guidelines is the lowest that works between 12.5 and 25mg/day. Some people simply need more than others (not everyone absords the entire dose, those who absorb less, need a higher starting dose). The usual start is at 15 to 20mg.

    However you are young and it is said young patients are more likely to be atypical. You must be referred to a specialist because PMR is only the outward expression of an underlying disorder and there are several which MUST be ruled out. There are a few other forms of arthritis which can present almost identically and which are better managed with other drugs.

    https://patient.info/forums/discuss/pmr-gca-website-addresses-and-resources-35316

    has a load of links to information, including the 2015 recommendations for management of PMR and a paper for GPs (Bristol paper) with a potted "how to" which you could waft under your doctor's nose. Are you already under a rheumy? If so, they seem a bit unaware of best practice. Where are you? In the UK or the US?

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      It's a rheumatologist you need - they are the specialists in this field.It is an autoimmune vasculitis, nothing to do with nerves and neurologists in the UK don't usually have anything to do with this so are pretty ignorant of the best practice (so are some rheumies but we won't go there...)

      Try showing the neurologist the papers I've given you links for.

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      I've got to have some nerve tests done first and try the steroids as well then she is going to refer me to a rhumy

    • Posted

      Then she needs to try the right dose of pred - though the 10mg may do the job if you rest as well. No trying to catch up on what you haven't been doing!!!!

    • Posted

      I will try and rest but I have 3 year old daughter I run around after she keeps me on my toes lol
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    My experience is similar to some other responsers. No blood markers for inflammation, but miraculous relief on prednisone. All of my stiffness/pain was bilateral. I had another unusual side issue of shortness of breath. It, also went away with the right prednisone (actually Medrol) dosage. Now at 8mg a day after some initial wild roller-coaster swings in dosage and symptoms. Pretty stable. Has been about  year since diagnosis.
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    Hi everyone again I'm on day 5 now of prednisolone 10mg I think even tho it is a very low dose I think it has taken the edge off my symptoms I'm not feelin as sore as I was. Will this mean I need a higher dose to completely get rid of my pain?

    • Posted

      Possibly - or you will have to be patient. It's a silly dose to use really - it takes so long to get a result whereas 15mg might have given a clearer answer.

    • Posted

      you mean 20 mg is a silly dose,? well guess they had to taper to that before going lower, and i am still having some symptons, now on that 20 mg, 
    • Posted

      NO! Cheryl - if you look at the top of each post it tells you who the reply is aimed at and who wrote it. My comment was in reply to Ginette's who was put on 10mg to start with, it says: EileenH > ginette1977. Nothing to do with your dose at all. 

    • Posted

      oh so sorry,not very focused today, lots of family problems
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      I will be very interested to hear if you eventually do well with the 10 mg.  I found it so easy to reduce from 15 to 10 (had to slow down drastically after that) I've wondered whether I'd have done all right starting at a slightly lower dose.  Of course I was kept at 15 for about five weeks before a 1 mg drop per week for next five weeks.  It's taken me another year to get from 9 mg to what I hope is 2.5 but is certainly 3.  Perhaps I'd have got here a bit sooner if starting at a lower dose.  This is the sort of information which really needs to be collected, along with a few other possibly relevant factors, including body weight, age and other pre-existing conditions.  I suspect most of us would be willing to trade an extra week or two of diminishing pain to the best point in the short run if it meant in the long run we had a more successful taper to lowest effective dose.  

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      There is some suggestion that there are fewer relapses with a higher starting dose. I think there must be some evidence because in the most recent recommendations they have decided that a slightly higher rather than lower starting dose is better and that is all based on GRADE methodology - all explained on the third page if that sort of thing floats your boat!

      2015 Recommendations for the Management of Polymyalgia Rheumatica A European League Against Rheumatism/American College of Rheumatology Collaborative Initiative Christian Dejaco, Yogesh P. Singh et al

      Some years ago they used to start with 30mg but then it was felt that 15 would also work and reduce the total pred load. I know patients who have had both approaches - and they say they found starting with the higher dose seemed towork better/they got off pred faster. Now the pendulum has swung the other way but not quite as far, 20-25mg seems the idea. 

      For myself, when I was ill 4+ years ago I had a dollop of high dose pred for something else before being switched to Lodotra/Rayos - and then for the first time was able to reduce steadily and relatively easily down to 5mg. Coincidence? 

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      The woman I met who was started at 40 mg is having a dreadful time reducing.  I mean it was six months ago and she still can't get to 30.  And I seem to have noticed a number of people starting at this higher dose lately and having trouble even getting to 20.  But we don't know what other factors are involved, if there are any commonalities, etc.

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