Calcium to magnesium ratio

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This issue came up again yesterday when I talked to a chiro I saw about 5 yrs ago and will see her in mid Nov as she does muscle testing and we will test some of the supplements I take....she saw me before hip replacement mess....so I was getting her up to date on my mess from the replacement...

She has a different opinion than I do on the calcium magnesium intake, I take more magnesium than calcium and now the higher dosing of Vit D....  so doing some research AGAIN, thought I'd throw this out....so many docs just are not "in the know" about the value of magnesium for calcium absorption:

Typically, less than half of calcium intake is absorbed in the gut, the rest either being excreted or potentially forming kidney stones or being transported to soft tissues where it can harden (calcify).

Adequate levels of magnesium are essential for the absorption and metabolism of calcium and vitamin D.

Magnesium converts vitamin D into its active form so that it can aid calcium absorption. Magnesium also stimulates the hormone calcitonin, which helps to preserve bone structure and draws calcium out of the blood and soft tissues back into the bones, lowering the likelihood of osteoporosis, some forms of arthritis, heart attack and kidney stones.

There is a growing amount of scientific evidence pointing to high calcium - low magnesium intake leading to calcification, or hardening, of arteries(atherosclerosis—the number one cause of death in the U.S.), osteoporosis and osteoporotic bone fractures.

Recommendations for calcium intake vary greatly. In the U.S., adults are told to take 1,000 mg per day and women over 50 are told to take up to 1,500 mg. In the United Kingdom, the RDA is 700 mg daily, while the World Health Organization recommends only 400-500 mg.

Often supplementation is taken without consideration for the amount of calcium in the diet both from food sources and water. Many people, especially those consuming dairy products, have high-calcium diets. This can lead to a greater amount of unabsorbed calcium.

"Most people—and most MDs—do not understand the importance of calcium-magnesium balance at a cellular level. The effectiveness and benefits of calcium with respect to bone health and the prevention of osteoporosis are enormously impaired in the absence of adequate levels of magnesium in the body," Dr. **** states.

"If we consume too much calcium without sufficient magnesium," according to ****, "not only will we create stress within the body but the excess calcium won't be utilized correctly and may become toxic. Magnesium keeps calcium dissolved in the blood. Too much calcium and too little magnesium can cause some forms of arthritis, kidney stones, osteoporosis and calcification of the arteries, leading to heart attack and cardiovascular disease..

What I've been taking in recent months is:  500mg magnesium citrate or other quality mag, 3 times per day and 500 to 750mg quality calcium.  

I will see my integrative MD in a couple weeks to go over recent labs and bring this up again.   

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    joy ....all of the above is credited to kellie wellie another member of the LS group.

    we would both like to give credit to the original author but are unable to do so.

    off to bed. its i.40 am ...and i'm supposed to be minding my circadian rhythm....speak soon....hope to tease this out and hopefully kell will come in with her interpretation too !

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      I've come away with the 2:1 ratio mag/cal is good.   I enjoyed the article Marey posted and will re-read it... My good friend takes no calcium, very little mag and 4K D3 and K2....she says calcium does not agree with her and she gets nodules.....

      I've had 4 nodules on index fingers for a long time and they don't change...don't go away and don't get larger....it's OA or could be RA nodules....

      I use coconut oil a lot, don't use dairy milk for many years and eat some "hard" cheese here and there....don't overdose...  Hard goat cheese is one of the best...  Right now I have asiago, which I think is a combo of romano and parm.     Thanks all for great info.    J

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      interesting. I'll follow your friend I don't think its indicated for me and hope i get enough from almonds etc.

      have you tried ...slowly...cutting it out, thats calcium...beyond the dietary form...?  see if the lumps and bumps go? You never know.

      anyway glad you enjoyed the read x again credit to kellie.

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      Well, I guess I could stop calcium for a short time and see if the nodues go away...they don't bother me, don't hurt, etc...and been there a LONG time..

      It would be an interesting test if they go away....huh??/

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      yes it would joy. Go for it! But carefully and slowly no big drops...literally grain by  drain and seeing how you feel ...whilst at the same time introducing by the slow increments also some medicinal turmeric ... 

      and begin massaging the area....drink loads of purified water...not alkalised....sorry joy please try just double filtered water....you're making your body work too hard.... check your wee and aim for pH 7.00 or thereabout with a labstix.

      excited for you xxxxxxxx

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      Oh and eventually you can enjoy lots of almonds...as you fade out the powder.
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      Most multi supplements have iodine in.  The only company I use that has good quality multi supplements without it is Archturus Heathcare. It is not very good nutritional practice to recommend supplements without having had a full consultation but I don't mind doing it if you realise that I may have missed something.  If you are ok taking calcium supplements (do not take calcium if you have high blood pressure, gall/kidney stones, have had a stroke or at risk of one) then you can't do much better than the Choline & Inositol Formula 1 supplement from Archturus.  If you don't want to take calcium then their Magnesium Formula One product is good.  I would also take their vitamin C & E supplement as that is missing from the multi and so useful.  The minerals in the multi supplement are in citrate form which is far more easily absorbed than those you buy in the health shops.  It means the calcium is likely to end up in the bones where you want it and not lining the arteries or forming gall stones.  Do be careful if you are trying to come off of thyroxin though - it is most usual to be able to stop once you have taken it but I hope it all works out for you.

      Sue

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      trying to copy info for you ...above is a reply to me ...that i found helpful. more to come about calc/mag xx
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    thank you so much sue !i really appreciate your detailed answer. The calcium balance is one thing I am very mindful of in particular the risk of dumping in the coronary arteries and the hazard attached to synthetics.

    i may not be able to come off thyroxin and will accept that if so...but my interest currently is in attempting to re-lower my TSH  using anti inflammatory foods in addition to support from thyroxin...am taking  levothyroxin....however it has lactose in it. can hardly believe that i'm developing all these intolerances....always been so hale and hearty but both parents had - opposing - thyroid issues, one hypo the other hyper....so there was some inevitability. i would consider trying natural  dessicated  thyroid, from pig, a stoical animal that i respect ....but if i do have either a lactose or casein allergy and cut out dairy in addition to gluten if my CRP  and antibodies don't go down completely then i know i'll need to move away from levo and try another thyroid med.

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    marey • 7 days agols ....it is a multi faceted disease with several layers to be unteased.

    hi joy

    was trying to transfer a conversation for your benefit about calc/mag ratio.

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    marey • 7 days agols ....it is a multi faceted disease with several layers to be unteased.

    hi joy

    was trying to transfer a conversation for your benefit about calc/mag ratio.

    more to come xx>

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      Hi Marey, reading and keeping calcium intake down and mag up as I was doing....I take inositol/choline for my sleep help...and inositol during the day sometimes.....

      IF only my joints were like they were in my 50's.....20+yrs later....yikes....joy

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