Elevated PSA

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I am a 75 years old. My PSA last year was 4.03 this year it has elevated to 5.83. This has me stressed and worried. My urologist has recommend I have a biopsy. I have been reading and go ogling about prostate cancer and biopsies. The more I read and learn,the more confused I get. I am 50- to get a biopsy and 50 not to get one. Taking my life span in consideration I could die of something else if I did have the cancer. This is what I have been finding out through my research. I am presently taking Flomax to help my frequent urination. I Have also learned that they are risks involved with the biopsy. I am going nuts thinking about my elevated PSA result. Any advice coming my way, would be appreciated.

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    Hi Roger2Dodger,

    From our experience, pls do not go for biopsy (i.e. the random / blind biopsy), if its unavoidable, pls do it with the guidance from MRI.

    This rise in PSA might be due to infection also. Pls do not worry. 

    You can have an ultrasound to check if it shows some infection in the prostate.

     

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      Hello Meenal22,

      In another thread, I indicated I was on antobotics for 2 weeks in latter part of january. for diverticulitis . So, infection might not be the cause. It's very strange my urologist didn't mention a MRI. He told me the only way to derermine cancer or not was a biopsy. I will certainly run this across my urologist ASAP. BTY- I am getting more and more skeptical of my urologist after reading the threads in this forum. Again TKS!

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      I would agree. A high resolution 3T MRI can show if there is a problem and can be used for guiding the biopsy needle if you decide to have it done. I have read some bad stories about biopsy causing damage that can't be reversed. Your PSA rise isn't all that unusual for someone your age. I would be more scared if it went over 10. remember that BPH will also cause a rise in PSA and that is very common. The PSA test wasn't designed to detect cancer in men it was designed to see if it was coming back in those with cancer that was previously treated. There are so many false positives with PSA. It really can't predict cancer unless it is super high. Over 10, but even then it can be wrong.
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      Craig, Would you know what a high resolution 3T MIR scan would cost? I doubt medicare would pay for one. Sounds like the way to go. If I do have a biopsy. Tks. For the info and help for my concerns.

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      I am not sure, but I have heard really good things about the whole test being able to find areas of interest and allowing targeted biopsy needing only one or two needle sticks instead of multiple. If medicare doesn't cover it then it should in my opinion, but as you know our health care system is about making money and insurance doesn't like to pay for expensive tests. I think in the near future it will be standard as it is so accurate it is hard to dispute it. If it were me and it very well may be me next month I would do anything to get the MRI instead of trditional biopsy. Even if I have to sell my car to get it. Check around by calling some local medical scanning places or your local hospital can direct you to where they have a 3T machine.
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      I will call medicare and get an answer. Irregardless, I will pay for my well being if they don't. Seems like you did well with the traditional biopsy tho and the forgoing treatment. Thank you for your willness to help!
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      Depends which country. Medicare does NOT. cover a MRI in Australia. The cost is AUD500.
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    Hi

    I'm ten years younger than you. My PSA in January 2005 was 2.7, in December 2011 it was 6.4, in November 2012 it was 7.6, in January 2014 it was 7.00, in January 2015 it was 8.1, in April 2015  it was 10, in July 2015  it was 9.1 and in January 2016  it was back up to 10.

    I have never had a biopsy and I dont ever intend to have one due to the other medical conditions I have.I want to preserve my quality of life at all costs.

    About a million biopsies are performed in the US each year and 80% are negative. Although only about 1% experience signifigant side effects including death that still leaves 10,000 yearly with signifigant ill effects. Prostate cancer kills about 27,000 a year in the US. To me those are pretty poor odds on a risk/benefit analysis in my particular case

    Each person has to make their own decision, but if it were me I'd try all the non-invasive provedures before I'd consider a biopsy at 75 given your high degree of anxiety.

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      I would have to agree, the likelihood of it being aggressive is small and the side effects of traditional biopsy done through the rectum is high enough for me to not have it done. I would if needed get an MRI to see if it is even something to worry about.
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      Jwrhn1951, I am taking my time to make a decision. I have done extensive research on prostate cancer, psa and treatments. Before I knew NOTHING. This forum has given me more insight and knowledge than any Googling that I have done. Just reading about each persons experience and advice given has lowered my anxiety. I truly appreciate your story and others. Discussing actual experiences is worth lots more than experts can ptovide. THANKS!
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    Roger,

    You have some positives going on here. Your PSA is under 10 which is good. You may or may NOT have prostate cancer. A biopsy will determine that. Whether you get the MRI or the traditional biospy is up to you. I know that Medicare pays for the traditional biopsy - the MRI would probably be mostly your cost. If you opt for the traditional biospsy, I would ask the doctor what precautions in the way of infection he takes. Antibiotics prior to and after the procedure is good. Also I would ask what pain prevention he uses for the procedure. I believe I didn't get much of any pain prevention - it was tolerable, not not pleasant. And if after the biopsy it is determined that there is cancer - it most likely will be a low Gleason score (6 or less) which is also good. From all the reading I have done over the past few months, low risk and intermediate risk prostate cancer is very treatable and cureable. IF you do have cancer cells in the biopsy, explore traditional radiation treatment which is several short visits to the radiation oncologist. I was told 9 weeks - 5 days per week. My radiation oncologist told me they have a new technique where they do this in 4 weeks using a little stronger dose of radiation. Another treatment option is the cyberknife. Also radiation - using gold markers inplanted in your prostate to guide the radiation beam to where it needs to go. This treatment is 45 minutes 5 times over an 11 day period. And the Brachytherapy which is the low dose radiation seed implants which is a one time treatment. There are several other treatment options, but these seem to have a very good success rate. The Brachytherapy looks to be a little better with less time involved, but any treatment will work for low to intermediate rist. Just remember that you have some positive aspects here - and one big one is that this has been caught early on.

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      Charles,

      Thank you! You mentioned a couple of treatments I was not aware of. The Brachytherapy seems quicker and less bothersome. I need not get the cart before the horse Hopefully it is BENIGN. I will know soon, my Urologist can do a biopsy March 31. I am still 50- doing one and 50- not , and do the active surivillance .

      Thanks Agian.

      Roger

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    Hi Roger2Dodger, I haven't read all the discussions, but for what it's worth, here is my story.

    i am 76 years old and was found to have a PSA of 16+ a year ago. My then urologist gave me no choice and did a number of biopsies, I think 12 on either side of the prostate. No problem was experienced with the biopsies, which turned out largely malignant and quite aggressive: Gleason score 4+5=9. Against the advice of the first urologist who wanted to do brachytherapy, I opted for a radical prostatectomy (total removal of the prostate), done by means of robotic surgery (DaVinvi), by another urologist. This was done in October last year. My PSA came down to 0.46, but then started going up again to 1.34, whereupon the urologist put me on hormonal treatment (testosterone reducing pills, Bicalutamide 150, quite expensive). When last checked, PSA was down to 0.1. I am still taking the pills and am due for another PSA test and to see the urologist in a few weeks time. Other than relatively frequent urination, especially at night-time, I feel and am fine.  So far so good!

    My only advice to you: Get more than one opinion. Different urologists have different ideas how to treat this cancer. In the end, you have to make a decision and the better informed you are, the more likely it is you'll make the decision that is right for you.

    Also, there's no point in stressing and worrying. Once you've made your decision, stick with the specialist you've chosen and trust his/her treatment.

    Good luck!

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      Dieter: I hope you don't mind me asking this, but did the urologist sample any lymph nodes during the robot-assisted procedure for later pathology tests?
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      Thank you dieter80046,

      How ironic, I go for my biopsy today at 2:10PM. The past few days have beem very stressful and worry. The urologist game me lots of time to think about it (2weeks) I am guessing he is pretty busy, or I would already had it. Now I wait for resuilts. Howver long that might be. More stress and worries. Thank you for your story, I will let you know mine when I get results of the biopsy and them maybe we can discuss treatement if needed.

      Wish me Luck!

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      dieter,

      I just had a thought after I replied to you discussion. You indicated you had a radical prostatectomy preformed. I was told that at my age surgery was not an option for me. I live in the USA. you must live out side of USA???

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      Roger,

      By now you probably have had your biopsy. I hope it went well and you are recovering. Ibuprofen helps with any discomfort unless the doctor gave you something. My friend who is a nurse told me that if needed, I could take ibuprofen and add tylenol to it for better pain relief. I did that only a couple of times and it did help. I hope your biopsy comes out well. Either negative, or with low numbers at low risk. There are many treatment options available if it comes to that. Good luck to you, and keep us informed as to your out come.

      Charles

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      Thanks Charles,

      But I totally confused by the type of Biopsy was performed. Urologist said it was an ultra sound biopsy where less samples are taken. And they only collect tissue that is suspected abnormal. Is this correct??? If so

      He only collected abnormalities tissue.maybe I don't fully understand this.but has me concerned now. I thought a biopsy too samples at random whether they were normal or cancerous? ?????

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