Frozen shoulder - choices of treatment

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I first noticed the symptoms of FS about 4 months ago - it seemed to come out of the blue for no reason at all. Just as mystifying was what should I do about it - do I go to a physio, GP, acupuncturist, osteopath, chiropractor - or am I better off doing nothing at all?!!

After doing some research, I decided my best course of action would be to go to an osteopath. However, what I would advise other sufferers is to be aware that this can be a very, very long process and can end up costing you a fortune!!

They gave me twice-weekly appointments at the beginning which I didn't mind paying for as I wanted to get myself cured as soon as possible.

The appointments involved gentle manipulation and she would give me exercises to do at home. My arm is gradually getting some small amount of movement back (although my practititioner did say that this was largely due to my hard work at sticking to the exercises) and the pain has diminished (although from what I understand this is part of the disease process and is probably nothing to do with the osteopath!)

In retrospect, I am glad that I sought treatment with an osteopath, but in my naivety I had not realised what a long process it would be and how much it would cost. I am still going to sessions but, at my request, I have staggered the appointments so that they are further apart.

I am now getting pains in the other side and unless I win the lottery, I feel that I couldn't possibly afford to go through it all again!!

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    Hi everyone. Hope you don`t mind but I would like to share my experience of this hideous affliction. I started with mild muscle pain last september having had a bit of an arguement with a pony and carriage. I was not aware of any shoulder injury at the time as I had actually broken my foot so was more concerned with that. Anyway, when i finally went to the docs in december, because the pain was now causing me serious problems, it turned out that my GP had worked in ortho at Wrightington Hospital (our local hospital for all things joint related) and he very quickly diagnosed FFS with a very simple test that told him it could only be FSS.

    On seeing the specialist, who confirmed the diagnosis with the same test, I was pursuaded to have hydrodilitation which I duly had at the end of january (never again!). Following this I had 3 sessions of PT but unfortunately my shoulder had started to freeze again. The pain returned big time and I lost ROM. Returning to the specialist he offered capsular release which I declined because I had decided to try alternative therapy in the form of Bowens Technique. I had 3 sessions 1 week apart then 2 weeks later a 4th. I stopped taking pain killers 2 days after the 2nd session (i was taking neproxen/paracetamol and tramadol) and have only taken them on 2 occassions since then. My GP seems to think that I am at the frozen/thawing stage as the pain has changed (I no longer get that crippling pain) and my ROM has improved.

    Throughout I have continued to work (I work with animals) and ride my horses, although I have had to adapt and think carefully about what I am doing, and this, I believe, has gone a long way towards me being able to keep my shoulder more mobile and so I hope to be free of it sooner rather than later. 6/7 months in and life is getting back to normal and although I still have bad days and I don`t have full ROM yet, the good days are getting more and I am now able to do things like getting dressed without screaming.

    I believe this condition affects every sufferer differently and there is no do`s or don`ts, it is purely up the the individual person to decide what is best for them. The only sure thing about it is that it WILL get better on its own.

    In another discussion on here a young lady of just 27 yrs has told of her diagnosis only to be told by other forum users she is too young. I know it USUALLY affects women between 40 - 60yrs and is more prevalent in people with diabetis but I believe it is not that fussy and can AND will attack whoever it wants.

    Thank you for reading my story and I hope you all get through it in whatever way you see fit. I shall be going back for more Bowens every 3 months until it has completely gone and I shall just have to hope the other shoulder doesn`t decide to follow suit. Good luck everyone and keep plugging on. xx

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    Hi MyMaud,

    I have heard of the Bowen technique but I don't know what it is. Is it Physical Therapy or something else? Glad you got some relief without going through surgery.

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    Hi Jana. Bowens is a holistic therapy that encourages the brain to heal the affected part of the body. It consists of gently rolling the skin, tendons and muscles in sequence with breaks between each sequence to allow the brain to to collect and send the information needed to correct the problem. The whole body is generally treated but it can be used just for specific injuries. To be honest I was sceptical but thought it couldn`t do any harm and at least I had an hour and a half of relaxation which was a joy. I was still not sure after the first session but during the second session I had a serious `hot flush` and the following day I felt like i`d been hit by a bus. From that point I had less and less pain every day. It has not cured it but it has certainly helped and I can now lift my arm above shoulder height and can reach the back pocket of my jeans without screaming with pain - bliss! I have no idea why it works and frankly I don`t care. I have googled it but still don`t really understand but it was a better way forward for me.
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    Bowen works on the fascia (that horrible membrane you see on meat) and it works!
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    Judy b,

    On your discussion above on 1st of April you ask if I am an expert. Well not really. But I know more than most non medical folks. I am an 80

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    year old person, who was called up for National Service in the early 50s. My intake that day was with another 799 young men into the Royal Army Medical Corps. I should say one barber cut all of our hair in a two day period. My first injury was a fractured mandible, my second a ruptured anterior cruciate and thirdly a subluxed left shoulder, all within a few months. The treatments for all was pretty poor and I made up my mind to make sure in the future look after myself as much as possible. Subsequently I have had several shoulder episodes the last being a year ago when running on a trail I caught my toe in a root sailing through the air and landing right on my right shoulder.

    It was every bit as pain full as my knee injury. It is now almost fully recovered. My equally aged wife has now banned me from running on anything but flat ground and we now run or at least fast shuffle together. Why I know something about musculoskeletal injuries is that It have attended several universities in America Canada and the UK studying anatomy, exercise physiology and clinical problem solving. All from the comfort of my own home and all for free. Google Coursera. If you have a condition and you educate yourself then the examination and treatment will be just that much better and you can ask educated questions If anyone wishes I shall explain my version of the frozen shoulder the diagnosis and when to begin treatment.

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    Hello all - it is amazing for me and such a relief to read all of your posts and know that there are people out there sharing the same symptoms/problems of this horrendous condition. I am currently suffering from frozen shoulders (yes, both of them). It started gradually in the left shoulder in November 2013, joined by the right shoulder shortly afterwards. In my case, I think the trigger may have been moving house in November when I was lugging a lot of heavy furniture about.

    Reaching up behind my back to unfasten/fasten bra was really painful; putting seatbelt on; getting coat on and off; reaching up to high shelves; and the worst thing in my opinion, not being able to sleep on either side any more. The frozen shoulders have progressed now and my movements are much more limited, stupid things that you take for granted like washing under your arms and spraying deodorant is so painful, trying to wash your hair at the back of your head (have adapted by bending down in the shower) - the bra problem I solved by fastening at the front first, then swivelling it round and carefully putting my arms into the straps, then reversing to get it off. Getting my top off over my head is comical if anyone could see me and the ridiculous positions I have to get into! I have a top tip for getting your coat on - I jump up and down to 'shrug' it on :-))

    Anyhow, after 3 months of struggling, I finally went to the doctor who diagnosed rotator cuff injury and sent me for blood tests first to rule out rheumatoid arthritis and thyroid. Also saw a physiotherapist who was adamant that my symptoms were rotator cuff injury to both shoulders (probably from the moving of heavy furtniture) Then I was sent for ultrasounds on both shoulders - results were - left shoulder rotator cuff tear and inflammation, right shoulder no evidence of any problem (which is weird because my right shoulder is more painful at the moment).

    Then did some research on the net, and found a consultant osteo who specialises in shoulders. Went to see him last night and after examining me , asking loads of questions and watching whilst I did various manouvers with my arms, he diagnosed both shoulders are frozen, definitely not rotator cuff or bursitis.

    He is recommending arthroscopy surgery for capsular release, (one at a time) and he told me that 90% of his patients have immediate relief and no more problems. He also offered me a cortizone injection there and then to see if that might give some relief, but I declined as I wanted to consider everything first before any treatment. I am reluctant to have surgery because of all of the risks involved with anaesthetic, infections, etc.

    Now, having read all of the posts on here, think I will carry on just trying to cope with the pain, inconvenience, etc. and waiting it out for a bit, to see if things improve. My worst fear is that my shoulders will get even worse, more painful with less and less mobility.

    One possible technique I am considering is the Neil Asher technique - is anyone familiar with this and actually had this treatment? Would be very interested to hear as its a non invasive procedure which I am definitely leaning towards.

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    I do sympathise with you April I am now into my 2nd year dealing with the pain it is definitely better can now put on my bra with just a little discomfort, I wonder if I will ever be back to normal again I have never been offered an op. Don't think I would go down that route but that's a personal opinion . Have given up golf which I love but manage to swim o.k.. Good luck what pain killers do you use? I am a diabetic so have to be careful what I use!
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    Hi DaphneMargaret - it is horrible isn't it? I use nurofen/ibuprofen usually just at night before going to bed. I have read that having diabetes can make one more susceptible to getting a frozen shoulder. I have just been looking at a website www.frozenshoulder.com - there is loads of useful information on there and I am seriously considering trying the NUT that is recommended - it seems to make a lot of sense to me.

    It is good to know that eventually, things will get better without doing anything at all, but it seems that each person is different with regards to the time it takes to recover. Am glad that you are getting less pain and more mobility at last.

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    I don't believe that physio is helpful for a frozen shoulder.  I did all forms of treatment on my left shoulder and suffered tremendously...did nothing with my right shoulder and in comparison suffered hardly at all. I have almost full rotation back in both now with only a bit of stiffness at the top end.  I believe pain is your body saying stop.  I wasn't keen on cordisone shots at first.. but they helped the most... if done right.  Two were put in the shoulder from the side and did nothing. The other 6 were put in through the front or back and pain meds weren't necessary.Yes I had 4 in each shoulder and no I don't notice any effects after them other than pain relief. For those of you suffering now, I feel for you...all I can say is listen to your body and do what feels right to you and good luck.
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    The more I read & experience myself the more it seems that everyone's frozen shoulder is unique in symptoms, duration & treatment success.  Even the same person can have completely different experiences with each shoulder.

    I believe that physio has helped my shoulder but ONLY once it had started to recover. Where she has been invaluable is in keeping me motivated to keep doing exercises every day to at least maintain range of movement and also keep my spirits up when I felt down.

    I had 3 steroid injections whilst it was freezing/frozen which did absolutely nothing to help.

    I had capsular release last October in conjuntion with impingement surgery and it re-froze after about a month.  I now have nearly full ROM back but it is very weak and still sore in some positions and with some movements.

    Again physio is being very helpful in working out exercises I can safely do to build up the strength again.  I actually managed 10 mins of tennis yesterday & the day before (no smashes or serves yet, or for a while I suspect) so significant progress.

    I was offered hydrodilatation but by then it was improving anyway so after discussion with my physio we decided that the risks outweighed the potential benefits.

    It has definitely helped that my physio has been looking after me for 15 years or more so she understands my body & me really well. I'm hypermobile in my joints and she continually compares by good & bad shoulders to check what is normal for ME. The physio provided by the hospital after surgery seemed to use a totally formulaic approach and just used a standard set of exercises rather than taking the time to find out exactly what I could & couldn't do and working out exercises that were indidually tailored to me.

    Progress has also been by no means at a steady rate.  Some weeks there seemed to be quite fast progress and then there would be periods where there was no progress (or even deterioration) - this is where the physio has been key in continually assuring me that I WOULD recover at some point and that it was important to stay positive and keep doing the basic ROM exercises regardless.

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      Hi sportmum.

      Thanks a lot for your detail information. Im currently suffering from frozen hip (16 months) and I just cant see the light at the end of the tunnel. I had MUA about 7 weeks ago I still have the ROM that I gain with the precedure but Im still in a lot of pain. Im doing phsyio I dont know if is the right physio seems overlypainful but seems to give me more ROM and more pain afterwards. I dont know if I should continue. Sometimes I have tendondonitis so bad that makes me thing I will refroze again. I try to be positive but is almost imposible because im steping on my hip every moment. So painful, sad and debilitating.

      Thanks for all your encouragement and good advice.

      I hope im in the same situation then yours pretty soon.

      All the best for you and once again thanks from all the sufferers here in this forum.

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    Hi Jill,

    I was motivated to find forums talking about frozen shoulder, any forums, regardless of location due to a case that recently came through the office.  By my own admission, I am not certain if the results will be repeatable but, the patient came in unable to lift her arm past 20 degrees in both flexion and abduction.  By the completion of our first visit, she was at 85 degrees and the neuralgic pain she'd been experiencing in her shoulder was all but gone.  Yes, a miracle cure, and skepticism is welcome and expected.  My treatment was based on the OTZ method which I watched and learned about at a continuing education seminar.  If you google OTZ adjustment, you can find more information and possibly find a practitioner in your area.  I am in no way, shape or form affiliated with the doctors who teach OTZ, I simply watched what they did and applied it.  I did not take their course or even speak directly with any of the presenters during the seminar.  

    And for anyone else reading, I welcome replies, positive and negative as I truly want to know if anyone else has experienced a spontaneous recovery.  My goal being a reproducible outcome for others.

    Regards

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      Hi Daniel, This is really interesting and if true would make a huge change in the treatment of this debilitating condition. I think you should give us some further facts so we can discuss OTZ. For instance the age of the patient, a history of the onset and where we are at the freezing or thawing stage of the capsule. And infact is the capsule at fault or is the limitation and pain  caused by a subluxation. You mentioned the improvement that you managed to encourage by your adjustment so can you remind us of the lack of ranges at your initial examination. looking forward to your reply.
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      James,

      I have to be honest I have no clue as to what stage she was in.  The patient was a 12 y/o female who had no apparent trauma to shoulder.  She was a swimmer.  The condition began in Sep 2013 up until her visit to my office in Mar 2014.  She had previously seen her family physician, a sports medicine physician and an orthopedic physician, undergone MRI, NCV-EMG testing to no avail.  Her shoulder flexion was limited to less than 20 degrees along with abduction.  Internal and external ROM were not testable as the arm was unable to reach the appropriate postion for testing.  During ROM, there was a hard endfeel which felt almost like a "bony stop" not muscular.  She had also seen a neurologist who put her on gabapentin (which is a no-no as far as I'm concerned for someone so young).  The gaba helped with pain level but, her actual shoulder was painful to touch and her mother stated she was unable to hug or sustain any contact to shoulder without increasing pain levels.  Her pain level ranged from 7-9/10 with movement, 4-5/10 at rest (and on Gabapentin).

      Following her first session with me, pain level dropped below two and she was able tolerate direct pressure to area which elicited an immediate hug, good stuff.  

      Post-session ROM, 165 degrees of flexion and abduction, IR/ER were 75-80 degrees with some soreness but, no longer painful and there was no "bony" feel to the end ROM.  She was treated for 3 consecutive days before returning home (she flew in from CA for treatment).  

      Last report, she is back to swimming and regular activities with zero restrictions.  She has reported occasional soreness in her lower cervical region but, shoulder remains unaffected.

      The case study presented at the seminar showed a 19 y/o female who had frozen shoulder of 6 months duration.  The same response to treatment was seen.  

      My only regret is failing to capture video ... It was unbelievable how quickly the body corrected after the mobilization.

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      James,

      One other thought, it's irrelevant which stage the shoulder is in ... if a problem exists at the upper cervical level and is the root of the frozen shoulder, addressing it solves the problem ... immediately and permanently, as far as I can tell (3 months out).

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      12 year olds  can not have a frozen shoulder. They may be diagnosed with this condition but the diagnosis is wrong. No amount of spinal adjustment, no matter how increadible spicific and extremely skilled it may be will alter a adhesive capsulitis of the glenohumeral joint. It is utterly taut fibrous and unrelentingly painful until it completes its cycle. Looking at the literature  we know that  adhesive capsulitis is genetically progamed to certain families  and the same gene causes Dyputrens contracture of the hands or feet and in males it can exibit itself as Pyronies disease.You can see this mentioned in the muscle and joint blogs in patient uk.  It is evident in these  discussions  that there is inconsistent diagnosing and reporting of this condition creating a confusing and  contradictory amount  of evidence. I'm not sure what Phyiotherapist will say about their inferior manual dexterity compared to your own though I think that the dexterity may be of little avail if the diagnosis is not correct.
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      I didn't come up with the diagnosis, Stanford Medical Center physicians did.  And, I'm sorry to say that you are mistaken, at least in some cases.  Does it work for all cases, can't say.  Does it work for many cases, can say because the doc in Canada makes a living specializing in it.

      The little girl did have an "utterly taut and fibrous and unrelentingly painful" glenohumeral joint, subscap was incapable of even a feather's touch of pressure.  So, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck ... it gets called a duck; that being the case, the OTZ is most likely an appropriate solution for a percentage of cases diagnosed with frozen shoulder.  The little girl was advised to let it pass, much as you are advising.  Had she waited, she'd still be suffering, she's not, she's near normal.  Reading the literature is a wonderful place to start with any condition ... but experience trumps words any day, any time.  

      As for manual dexterity, it's a given that a physio can't compare, not even worthy of a discussion.  I can say this with certainty because I have earned both degrees and am licensed as both a chiropractor and physio.

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      The suffers of frozen shoulder in this discussion must be wondering how one ever gets diagnosed or treated appropriately. It is now over 150 years since it was first diagnosed and by the writings in this group it is more badly looked after than ever than ever. I have read more articles, abstracts and medical papers on shoulder in the last few months than I care to mention. I  know that the shoulder area is complex but if a healer knows the anatomy and the theory of kinematics or rather osteokinematics then it should be reasonably easy to diagnose a condition then apply the right treatment.  Patients suffer for years when they could mostly, if not all be  cured in a reasonabley short time. Lets look at OTZ,  new to me but interesting reading. A chiropractor has discovered that a subluxation of a joint of the upper cervical spine is the culprit and not the gleno humeral joint at all. If the subluxation is adjusted to normal then the errant postural deformity caused will be resolved and the   shoulder will soon have a full painfree range. It seems irrelevant whether the joint is becoming frozen is frozen or thrawing. The  theory is that the subluxtion will  inhibit the blood supply to the brain stem and cause paresis of the trapesius and serratus muscles and thus the shoulder will be frozen. Paresis it seems means a weakened or partly paralysed muscle. I should say at this time that subluxations can only be found by chiropractors and no one else including the medical professions can find them or know what they are. The strange facet, no pun intended, that if paresis is present then the muscle around the shoulder will become weak and the joint muscles would be infact flaccid. In the mainstream medicine exam of the glenohumeral joint the capsule tightness or Capsular Pattern has to be measured. The capsular pattern in this joint is,1 so much limitatiom abduction, 2 more limitaion of lateral rotation, and 3 less limitatin of medial rotation. If this ratio is not present it is not the joint capsule. OTZ examiners took 50 patients who were referred to them as suffering frozen shoulder and seemed to accept them at face value. The examination was entirely different to the medical model. The chiropractors relied on abduction and elevation of the arn instead of putting the joint through the three above mentioned ranges passively. This meant that there was no isolation of the GH joint. Movement must have taken place at the scapula thoracic joint, the acromioclavicular joint,  and the  sternoclavicular joint. However the results published were good but just what were they treating. Even better news, this is where it gets really interesting. It was noted that as well as healing frozen shoulders it came to light that it helped neuralgia, bell's palsy,vertigo,dizziness, helped taste and smell and something the medical profession has not done too well with, autism. So nobody in this discussion group really has a lesion of the shoulder it seems.

      Pathologists who have removed histological speciamines from frozen shoulder show inflammatory infiltrates, mast cells etc etc which shows really where the cause lies. I was going to ignore walks like a duck, looks like a duck.  Some ducks make a noise like QUAKery!!

      I shall in the near future tell you of my own methods of easy home treatments and when you can use them, from personal experience.

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      I like what I'm reading James.  While my shoulders have pretty much resolved themselves, I am suffering from vertigo dizziness and get alot of numbness in my hands apparently from carpal tunnel.  I would like to hear your theory on why the other therapies seem to work in some cases. Also, how do I find a chiro that is experienced and able to diagnose this and correct it? I am near London, Ontario, Canada.
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      Heather, Glad your shoulders have now settled down. Vertigo is interesting and  I do know that many folks have helped themselves greatly with the Eply method. It is easy to do it seems and you can watch the maneuvering on youtube. Some physiotherapy offices have  clinicians who practice these types of treatments. To find a chiropractor in London Ontario just google OTZ chiro London  Ontario.  Some advice, read their web page, If they claim they cure lost hearing, improve your eyesight or cure the incurable or they began their career by being cured of a strange disease by a chiro when a child, beware. Also do not sign up for a wellness program that expects you to attend regularly to sustain your good health. Lastly, no high velocity adjustments to the cervical spine, adjustment is the newer word for manipulation. If you wish to read the paper on frozen shoulder on the atlanto occipital axial region google Pub Med Central canada, "Chiropractic management of frozen shoulder syndrom using novel technique".  I think the great discrepancy in this paper is the fact that chiropractors claim even newborns have subluxations which can last a life time but adhesive capsulitis still only happens between 40 and 60 years, like the mortals without the dreaded subluxation..

      You may wish to investigate CAMPT, the Canadian Academy  of maniplation Medicine. They are Physical Therapists who have at least a masters degree in PT and have done a great deal of post graduate study and most have become lecturers themselves. Great Britain, Canada, The USofA, Australia and new Zealand it seems are world leaders in spinal manipulation and manual therapy and most importantly  the people to see for a diagnosis. Google CAMP then you will most likely follow the screen, Ontario, London and click on the names. If it is like the UK you will get all you need to know to pick the right therapist.

      Talking of subluxation of the spine and googling the chiro web sites it seems to be that younger chiros want to get rid of the subluxation theory, it is the albatros round our neck says one. Who remembers the rite of the ancient mariner?

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