Have any lichen sclerosis sufferers also got Frontal Fibrosing Alopecia?

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I have recently been diagnosed with both - the LS first. But that could be because the FFA takes a while before one notices it is happening. I would be really interested to know if there is a link between these two auto immune deceases. I am struggling a bit as they are both quite depressing conditions.

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    It's for the first time I heard of FFA.  Not a pleasant thing to have and you already have LS.  That's enough, more than enough.  

    No one mentioned the bicarbonate soda treatment I use to fight LS.  It has helped me greatly.  This in combination with the use of coconut oil and an akaline diet.  It helps to change the PH level.  I have greatly benefitted from this treatment. 

    From being totally fused up in October last year till now January this year, all the fusing is as good as gone.  Meanwhile I also am using very little of the Globetasol.  

    I have written about this in various discussions already.  But if any of you wish to learn more, I gladly repeat the details about all this once more.  

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      Hello Hanny.  I am interested in your fusion disappearing.  Once skin has fused and becomes solid scar tissue, I'm afraid I cannot imagine how it could "unfuse" without surgery. That would involve cells dissolving which couldn't happen with just creams unless they were corrosive.
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      Hi Annabel,

      It was an unexpected discovery after I had a dilation procedure done, because I was by then totally fused up.  That was October last year.  To try to avoid infection I started to rinse the bottom with warm water in which I put three pinches of baking soda/bicarbonate soda after every bathroom visit.  Debbed dry I covered the area with coconut oil.  At first I couldn't believe my eyes when it appeared that gradually the fusions were disappearing.  In addition to that I started to take baking soda baths, I added 1/3 of a cup (no more, or it won't be comfortable) to the bathwater and some tea tree oil drops as well.  Sat in there till the water became uncomfortable and kept doing this every other day.  It had a positive result on the skin and even my hair.  The skin disease on hands and feet also started to disappear.  

      Then I went to my nature path to better understand why this was at all happening.  Both my nature path and GP explained about the acidity and the alkalinity.  After that I started to be more strict with my diet as well - as much as possible I follow an alkaline diet.  Which means: no gluten, no dairy, no sugar, no alcohol, no caffeine, be careful with soya.  

      Today I live fairly comfortable with my LS.  Use only a little bit of Globetasol so now and then, or rather, when I feel it is needed.  LS will never go away, but now it has become liveable.  I can be intimide with my husband again, which was a totally unexpected bonus.  I keep dilating every morning.  Also use hormone replacements, Bi-Est.  And have supplements in the B vitamins and Omega 3.  

      Hope this will help you on your way.

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      I would be very interested to know what treatment you were talking about.  I have both LS and FFA, very depressing, I was diagnosed with the LS at age 25, when not much was known about it.  The FFA started occuring in 2014, after some very depressing things happened in my life.  I thought it was due to that, but the specialist said it was the LS steroid treatment (testosterone) that they put me on for 30 years, that was causing my hair loss.  I just would like to be able to manage it without pain for once.  If you have helpful hints, I would so much appreciate it.
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    I Have pubic hair Alopecia.. I am nearly bald in my nether region. . I wonder how many others with LS have this too?
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      Hi Wendy

      I have LS (confirmed with biopsy 2002) and have been totally devoid of pubic hair for about that long. Am also fused and unable to have intercourse for about 3 years . (So thankful for a loving hubby)

      I used to use MSM intravaginally and it seemed to help but then my focus shifted to more serious health issues and that got forgotten. Need to get back to it.

      But the good news is I am miraculously developing pubic hair again!!! Because of my other health issues I am always researching and looking for natural ways to help my body . I eat gluten free, also no dairy, soy and mainly vegetarian as well as take quite a number of supplements that I have found make a difference for my health. Recently a herbalist suggested that I take 1 tablespoon of chai seeds a day and also add 1 tbsp of liquid chlorophyll to a glass of water daily(filtered water of course). So I started that in January of this year and within a month happened to notice a significant changed- I no longer looked like a plucked chicken in my nether regions!!! And progress continues. I suspect that the Omega 3 in the chia seeds are the cause but since I don't know will continue to make both a part of my diet. Btw to increase nutrients availability from the seeds soak first for 10 minutes. (then I add some other goodies and a bit of fruit and homemade granola and that is my breakfast.)

      Hope this helps you.

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    hi annabel i suffer from alopoeca my hairdresser noticed it 2yrs ago when i had a bad flare up of ls she told me to get silica complex from holland and barret which really helped my hair get thicker again it dosnt happen straight away maybe take about 3 months to start working and has returned a couple of times when i have really bad flare up but never has bad has the first time i dont know whether it will help you but seems to help me just a idea
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      Hi Jane. That's interesting.  You seem to be saying that the alopoecia is linked to flare ups of your ls.   I shall definitely go to find silica. Thanks for that.
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      hi annabel i couldnt say for sure but this only started happening when i was really bad with ls and so was quite stressed at the time it is awful and i dread when i go to the hairdressers that it has returned.also when i get the alopoecia mine happens at the back of my hair in two places.when it first happened i just kept crying but now i take the que cera attitude.i do believe the silica helps thou for when i run out one time and didnt take for about a month i could see my hair thinning again hope they work for you anythings worth a try but dont expect miracles straight away they do take a while to start working goodluck
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      Hi Jane,  Thanks for your reply. It doesn't sound like yours is FFA if the loss is towards back of head. But perhaps it is another auto immune! There seem to be so many!  Anyway, I shall try the silica and be patient and see if there is any improvement - or slower deterioration.  I love this forum. It's a great outlet for ones deepests darkest fears!
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    Hi Annabel,

    Could you pleaes explain to me the symptoms you have with FFA. I am having trouble getting diagnosed but FFA has been mentioned.  I've had hair thinning all over but mainly in frontal hairline. Some at the nap of neck. I had about 8-9 months of scalp inflammation, some itching. Sometimes I would swear my hair is breaking off then eventually the shorter pieces of hair  are gone. I do not have hair loss anywhere else. My scalp gets irritated if I style my hair much, so as much as possible I only wash and comb no styling. Beginning to even effect my leaving the house. I would like to find diagnosis so I can begin to fight whatever it is effectively. I would appreciate any information you could give as to what your symptoms where and what you noticed as it progressed. I've been trying to get diagnosis for about year and half now.

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      Hi Dana, Sorry about the hair loss. My symptoms started with the hair on my temples disappearing and probably at the same time all around my hairline.  I went to a dermatologist and a trichologist and they both diagnosed FFA. I am 55 and I think it has been going on since I started menopause. It is an auto immune thing but not a lot is known about it. It quite often recedes up to 5 inches (Please help me!!) and then sort of burns itself out. But with many people it just sort of stops after an inch or so I think.  I think I have lost about an inch over a three or four year period. So it is slow. I didn't think I had inflammation but the trichologist identified areas which were a bit inflamed. None of it will grow back as the actual hair follicles die so it is a matter of hopefully stopping it increasing.  I am on anti inflammatory drugs (anti malaria drugs) indefinitely. A bit scared to stop as sometimes people have quite a lot of loss after stopping. FFA is really a description of what is happening rather than the name of a desease. I believe they sometimes do a biopsy but it doesn't really help either way!  Hope this helps!
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    I was just wondering...i do not have hair loss from ls...but if aloe vera or coconut oil help against the inflammatory process, would they help on the scalp?
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    Hello Annabel,

    I don't know if I have the same kind of alopecia as you but I have suffered with alopecia for the past 5 or so years. Lucky for me I have thick hair and it has not been too bad, the biggest patch being the size of a tennis ball though underneath the hair. I also have LS, had it as a child and now am 18 and only just been diagnosed with it after many misdiagnosises. I'm assuming they are related as I read alopecia is auto immune. I hope both your LS and alopecia improve. Sending my wishes. 

    Kasia

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      Hi Kasia,  Thank you for your kind thoughts. I am sorry you have had both LS and the alopecia so young. Its good that the LS has been diagnosed.  I'm wondering if its hereditary and whether my teenage daughters might have symptoms but have never said anything.  Do you  mind me asking what your symptoms were? Best Wishes A.

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