Heaven ~ Hell ~ where does purgatory fit in?

omgosh, you can see in detail how my lack of sleep is affecting me lolol not "nurses"  NUN's lol sorry if I confused you

Hi Les!

It's been a while since I've seen you post.  How are you feeling?

Please try to find it in you to explain because the group that are collectively working out issues, state opinions and some with experience with situations.  There's no wrong or right, but input is always welcomed!

Thank you for posting

Frustrated

Hi there frustrated, yeah - it's been awhile.

At the moment I'm still on same medication at the moment nothing as changed apart from the Neurologists injecting more Botox and over 10 weeks instead of 12 weeks. This was supposed to try and get me off Tramadol, which I tried lowering to 100mg a day, but the pain increased. So I guess the Botox needs increasing more before they can get me off Tramadol.

Interesting subject, "frustrated" - here in the UK it's not really on such a large scale as it is in the USA. I was brought up in a religious house, my mother was the most religious of them all, then my younger brother and then my dad - and then there was me.

To be honest, I have to say I do not believe in any form of "afterlife" - whether it is angelic or evil. My wife and I, have open minds on the subject and we have never got any of our 3 children baptised. From our point of view, should any of them wish to go to church then we would not stop them.

My wife believes in communicating to spirits via the Ouji board, none of our children or myself have nothing to do with this either. I guess it's an odd subject in our house.

I personally, have never believed in it (the bible, heaven or hell) and I have never read the bible either, you don't know which one to believe in, there's that many renditions of it, each one contradicts the others!

The thing that really annoy's me is people that try and 'ram' religion down your throat, who call themselves "jehovah's witnesses" their views are totally beyond belief - which I'll never understand.

I am a firm believer in science fact, if I have not seen physical evidence then to me it has never existed.

Now, you mentioned the word "purgatory", I know the so-called meaning of it, but who can honestly say that it even exists? Let me put another word to you, "Perjury" which is meant by when you lie under oath. Now, my brother and his wife are going through a very messy divorce involving their child and on a number of occassions his wife has lied under oath in court - what makes this even more strange is both are reborn again Christians! To me there is no difference in what they say by lying under oath as Christians, than a person that does not believe in any religion and lying.

People say God creates the way he wants it - if that's the case why do we have so many wars, diseases, murderers and all under dictators that do not listen to the public view of anyone. Perhaps it is true what people say and it is to keep the population down - then again, people these days are having children at younger ages and more of them, and people are living longer.

I have seen so much sadness in my life, just in our family alone, even lost a nephew at 14 months old, and the cure became available just 4 months too late. After that happened my wife mis-carried our first child at 3 months - and people wonder why we do not believe in the Bible.

As I see it, we just take one day at a time because you never know what is around the corner.

Regards,

Les.

Hi Les, good to have you join in. I understand your point about fact. If you can see it, feel i, taste it, touch it, or hear it, you are on sold ground and know something exists. I wonder what your take is on information?

You're welcome!

I have seen many movies that state "inspired by", "based on a true story" - but these don't just cover horror or evil, they also cover christian-based movies as well.

The way I see is life evolved, (maybe an alien force, there's too many conspiracy theories to even rule that out!). Dinosaurs ruled the earth, we know that from bones found worldwide. Throughout the millions of years, man has evolved into what man is today. Technology now increases at an incredible rate, but it is only man that is advancing and finding out how to push technology further.

We all know that IQ's are different from one person to the next, but humans have yet to discover further matter. Bring in Quantum physics, overviews, concepts and history, and then we bring in new perspectives. Albert Einstein had theoretical issues with quantum physics and tried for many years to disapprove or modify it, but failed. And he had a very high IQ in the 1900's, these days technology is catching up with predictions that were made in the early 1980's, computers came in to homes - now look at today. We already have cars that can not  only park themselves, but can also drive you to your destination by voice command.

At this rate, unless humans wipe themselves out by stupidity - living on other planets will come from fiction to fact.

I must admit I was forward for my age at school, designed and built my first radio receiver when I was only 11 years old. When I reached 16, I was working and taking my exams. I say working, I was involved in designing prototype thermocouple devices capable of measuring to -270 degrees kelvin. I went on to college, doing advanced telecommunications studing, that's when I had an accident in my early 20's - which ended everything I had been taught. An accident that could of been avoided but I did not realize what was going to happen - career ended for life. Now I take everyday much more slowly since I'm virtually unable to do anything myself without my wife, whom cares for me 24/7.

Well, that went a bit off course...lol  Nevermind, you got part of my bio! lol  I'll come back.

Regards,

Les.

Thank you Les. That is fasciating. I was quite unready for your account to end with your desciption of so sudden a calamity. I look forward to your sequel when you are ready for it.

Hello Les,

so sorry,  you read about folks careers being cut short and when they are so knowledgable, as yourself we feel the world has lost a great deal.   

I can only begin to imagine how frustrated you must get,  am pleased you have a lovely wife to get you through the days.

Wish you all the best,  and like George look forward to your next course - hey I am real good at wandering off the path myself lol.

Take care and be well

Jessie.

Hi Les ~

First and foremost, I'm sorry to hear you're still struggling with your health and I hope the doctors can "figure" out your treatment to get you off of tramadol.  Are you taking it for severe pain (if you don't mind me asking)?  If so, have they tried any other kind of pain meds? Or if that's not the problem, I hope they can accomplish a good outcome soon.

Second,

You've brought up so many topics, I'm  not sure which I should address first.  I understand you and your wifes desire to set yourself aside from any religion, it's been done for many years and most likely will for so many more.  I too, was brought up a certain religion and did go to church every day while young then when older, every week.  Every day going to and from church and never once understanding what the heck was going on as the Priest spoke in latin.  He could have been reciting the dictionary and I'd follow along and do what everyone else did.  As I grew older, I had a strong desire to understand my religion and to this point, I'm still a student.  I learn more each day not but the Bible but by how others treat others ect...I learn more by example. A visualist.

Regarding Purgatory, I'm in beliefs and this has nothing to do with any religion, but I believe we are in purgatory.  On the religious belief, purgatory, a place or state of suffering inhabited by the souls of sinners who are expiating their sins before going to heaven. As describes were we are almost to the T.  This is my opinion.  I believe we are all "lost" souls trying to figure out how to live amongst, murderers, rapists, pedophile, child abusers, adult abusers etc...the worse among those who are seemingly innocent. It's a difficult task.  Especially since the media seems to dwell on the most evil of humankind.  Very rare that you hear about even one person of the unknown, who's gone over and above the call for the sake of others.  Not going to sell if it's always good news.  Sad, but true.

I'm assuming your wife knows what she is doing with that Ouji board and knows what doors she is possibly opening, right?  I see that you and your children do not support this and I won't dwell on that issue as I'm sure you already know.  I will keep you my my thoughts.

It is unfortunate that those who "find" religion or their "God"  feel a need to shove it down everyones throats as they should know for years and centuries etc..this type of behaivor doesn't work with exception, those who are in need of something to fill an emptiness.  My cousin did just that, he preached and preached. I told him that it doesn't take one to preach on a subject that they "only just learned about" to think they are in the right of way.  They could be but they need time to search it out for themselves before preaching to others.  One day I told him, listen, if you want anyone to respect what your beliefs are now, then walk the walk and stop talking the talk.  People want to "see" a change, not be told about it.  Am I right or way off base?  I could be and I would be the first to step up and find out why.

I'm sorry for the loss of your nephew and your own child to be.  I, too, have lived through a lot of sadness.  I lost a child while 7mths pregnant, the thing is, I had to go through the entire process of delivering a child that wasn't even alive.  I had a tubal pregnancy and lost a tube and ovary from this and was told I'd never have a chance of having children because "it's almost always "normal" once a tubal preg. another one could happen".  I didn't see that word "normal"  I only saw "could" which to me, meant I just may indeed be able to have children.  After two more miscarriages, I finally had a child; I had one more miscarriage after the first birth and then our second child was born. Then my oldest daughter had the same kind of first pregnancy as I did and had to deliver while 7 months pregnant to a child that only lived 30 minutes.  She was advised of this action as this child had a chromosome disorder and had left this child with half a stomach, half a brain and would never survive an entire 9 mths preg. and would die in that process (she had very qualified doctors and she herself was in the field as an ER nurse so she knew what was happening with her child; the tragdey went on with details.  Her son live only 30 mins and that broke all of our hearts.  Unfortunately, that kind of a loss defines a person it doesn't have to, but it did; their marriage did not continue on. Two of my sister in laws, one from my husbands side and one from my side committed suicide w/i weeks from one another, both of them had children they left w/o mothers.  I could go on with more of our sadness but this will suffice.  What I'm trying to say is, I don't hold my God, responsible for all that mess. It was obvious that each of my sister in laws made that decision to end their lives.  The defect in the births, was just that, a defect.  Did you know that most often than not, those who have a miscarriage in the  first trimester also had that chromosome problem as it's not exclusive to my family.  It's kind of natures way of taking care of the body.  It's also sad, but true.  I cannot hold my God responsible for this.  My God wants everyone to be happy and to find peace.  My God is kind and caring and loving.  War, many wars are because of the "religion" and each beliefs in "their God".  It's all complicated but I'm guessing it will continue on until the end of time.

The way I see it is, were are only promised the time we have now, tomorrow could mean the difference.  As hard as it is, we have to try to live in harmony.  Is that even possible?

Frustrated

 

O frustrated. So much, so very much sadness. Yes, we go on to live in harmony = love your neighbour as yourself. Yes?

Les ~

Please do come back as I find you fascinating!  You stated your "life" stopped after an accident, may I ask what kind of accident?  Clearly your mind hasn't stopped working.  I mean that in a good way, too.

Hope to hear more from you.

Frustrated

I could attempt my version but clearly I'm pretty worn out from the day I've had.  I will make an attempt, if you care to read, at how we see light coming into this world and light when we pass on.

Frustrated

I'm curious as how other's may explain their feelings on this.

Hi again All,

Sorry about the interlude, but I cannot stay in one place for too long without being in pain, then my wife served up dinner. That’s why I finished so abruptly, I’ll carry on where I left off and side-tracked.

@Jessie – After the accident I did not know where to turn, since it took doctors and professors to diagnose what was wrong with me over a 2 year period. I self-taught myself in various programming languages, and started coding websites, it was far below anything I had tried in the past and my hand tremor just added to problems. So, I went looking at websites behind the scenes, so to speak and offered ways that they could make drastic improvements in there coding, I didn’t offer to do it though.  That was a job I wanted to stay away from, because of what I was reading from numerous websites.

If I take you back now to my previous post and in particular this paragraph “At this rate, unless humans wipe themselves out by stupidity - living on other planets will come from fiction to fact.”

We already know in the US, 5 people are being sent to the red planet, taking 9 months to get there as well. Once there, they life in pods which are all prepared for them to live out their lives! Why on earth (no pun intended) would you want to go to another planet to live the rest of your life out! Well, there’s more to it than that – it’s called ‘Reality TV’, yes people can watch ours die on another planet – what is the point? Very simple, TV ratings, Social Media and everything else that is destroying lives right in front of us. So, 5 people dying on another planet is going to make no difference if they lived here, times are changing rapidly…. More importantly, we should be looking at our own children and thinking “What was I doing at their ages?” Probably, playing in parks, climbing in trees, catching butterflies, etc – Now take a look at your children and think what are they doing, unless you are very clever and lock down the internet from major websites, they will grow up thinking my life is all on my phone!!

Have you ever wondered if your child or teen have been uploading to websites? Look at today’s news for just one example, Snapchat has been involved in a hacking issue, but it is not them at fault, it is third-party apps which hackers embed in other apps. Then they post your child’s photos on Russian paedophilia websites. Children these days are not taught enough in my opinion about the internet, phones and tablets. One thing that is really annoying is many companies allow image uploads, but what about deleting… well, there’s another button for that – but the fact is, by pressing delete doesn’t actually delete the image at all – even though your image looks like it’s gone – believe me, it’s far from it. Ask anyone in software server security, or hard drive RAID setups, they will all say the same, only the reference is removed, the image can be called back at any time. Sorry, if I just bored you to death, but all the aforementioned is true. My wife and I are very cautious what websites she goes on, or apps and we restrict her completely from some. Facebook was recently comprised and numerous images were taken and posted on Russian paedophilia websites, and these images may look innocent of our children.

Let’s look at the world from your perspective… you probably have a TV, Mobile phone, tablet, radio and maybe a newspaper. Probably a few main world stories, but how do you know it’s the truth, you’re only taking what is front of you as gospel. Look at last week an advert appeared in newspapers stating that you could charge your mobile phone iPhone 6 easily in the microwave, as long as it was under 90 seconds!  More than 600 iPhones exploded and microwaves damaged. Another reason not to believe in what you see or hear in the media!

My wife believes there’s a spiritual world, which you only see when you are not returning, once you leave this world then you would be in heaven. Yet she does not believe in the way people are born into the light of this world.

I, we’ll have a totally different way and look on life, considering I have nearly died 3 times and survived I must be something different…lol Consider the scientific factor, the amount of atoms in the universe never changes, as all humans have a body mass (not weight) of 99% of 6 elements namely oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, phosphorus and calcium which equals just one atom (If you wondering what the 1% is, well that’s a very large number of small numbers ( this is actually a very small trace in mathematical terms )). Without going in to complex mathematics, when one person passes away, it is replaced by the same amount of body mass as a percentage elsewhere. How can a person go to heaven when there is no such place, which has been confirmed? And where would this appear in the atom table, and by the way the amount of atoms in the world is always the same as the number of living humans, if you take into consideration the 6 elements alone.

That is how I see it, okay its very complex because you also bring in protons, neutrons and electrons. If worked out it is fairly complex, but you would need to apply the formulae’s, which is based on atoms, not weight.

I know it sounds too complex to even look at let alone work out for each person, but in Applied Mathematics it gives the correct answer, but to reach that in the first place you would need the complete number of atoms in a split second.

Regards,

Les.

Einstien's IQ at 160 to 190 is low in comparison to so many now. 

lol...

You could always look at it this way:

An example:

A man weighing 90 kg body would have approximately 9 x 10 to the power of 27 atoms.

That is, 9 followed by 27 zero's which is answer for one person.

BTW, this is the easy way which is called scientific notation, with a scientific calculator you might just work it out. To this day, I do not think anyone has ever worked that calculation.

Regards,

Les.

Hi Les, Some of that I understand. The maths bit went over my head. The earlier bit that I understood and it left me fealing rather chilled. The web is even more dangerous that I had supposed. Some is good, some is bad and if I understand you a great deal seems good but is very bad indeed. I have for many years felt so out of date that I am no longer adequately educated for the present world. I think you are telling me I am much more unfitted than I could ever suspect. That would dump me unceremoniously into frustrated's definition of purgartory.

LOL Doc! c'mon!  This world is changing so quickly that we just need to keep our children in check as far as the dangers of it the internet.  I don't assume my daughter's teach their kids, even though I know they do, I too, join in and educate them on the internet.  The worse of the worse is exposed to us and sent to prison, on the internet it's silent. We are the mouthpiece to that silence!

Frustrated

Hi Les you sound very much like me I was going great guns did all my O and A levels to get into uni at the time I had a saturday job as a butchers delivery boy I recieved a serious head injury which resulted in epilepsy at the age of 16 and in the 1960's epilepsy was still a scourge but I did manage to graduate had a good position for 30 years until I retired the point I am making here some where along the replies some one mentioned something I put in and it seemed to that person it (the remark) had been added as an afterthought just take it from me that I can get going on something then forget what I was doing halfway or near completion so I often come back to it my epilepsy is fine these days but my memory I am starting to loose but something as profound as this you never forget.

Right enough frustrated, BUT (aaah that but word, Cancels about 99.9% of the right enough) I will still shoot out a stubborn lower lip and assert I am old fashioned. Not so old fashioned that this world and purgatory by frustrated's definition are very much one and the same thing.

message for you....end of thread!

Hi Peter, 

 

We do sound much alike in health respects, and yes I tend to go off subject not just on the internet, but IRL as well, I am always being asked "What are you referring to now?" - the thing is I know what I am referring to but the way I got to the point is where I have lost people. 

 

I must reply to a question "frustrated" asked me a few messages back. 

 

@frustrated, 

 

I'll quote the actual paragraph and question. You asked me this: 

"Please do come back as I find you fascinating!  You stated your "life" stopped after an accident, may I ask what kind of accident?  Clearly your mind hasn't stopped working.  I mean that in a good way, too."? 

 

The way I worded that perhaps gave the wrong impression to many people. I was referring to "Life" in the sense that I could no longer work, and my disorder just become worse overtime. I cannot blame anyone for the accident which may or may not of triggered my life to change so drastically at that point.  

 

It was a hot day in July 1993, my mother asked me if I could 'pick' some cooking apples from our garden tree, to make a pie. I got the ladder out and wedged it between 2 branches and climbed up and started picking the apples. I heard a crack, which came from one of the branches, the ladder itself snapped causing the ladder to flip diagonally, so I let go as it twisted holding my weight, and jumped off. At this point I felt fine, like nothing had happened, put the ladder away and took the apples in for my mother.

The following day I woke up, but noticed I had a pain in my neck (the type of pain you get when you crick your neck). As the day went by the pain gradually became worse throughout, my father phoned my doctor whom come out quickly, but by this time my whole head was jerking to the left shoulder, causing severe pain. My doctor arrived, and the first thing he did was checked my arms to see if I had been injecting illegal drugs, because he had never encountered any person in his life with my issues (I even said to him that I have never touched illegal drugs), after doing further checks he phoned for an ambulance and I was admitted. 

Well, my local hospital ran numerous checks and failed to find anything wrong, I was then transferred to a specialist hospital, again nothing came back with conclusive results. By this time, there was an American Neurologist Professor whom was well known at the time. They arranged to move me by ambulance to London which was about 130 miles away. Many tests were done by MRI scans (at this time these were expensive machines and only a few were in the UK), further tests were done. Yet, still nothing conclusive - for nearly 2 years I kept having to attend meetings with Professor David Marsden and his US Neurologist team. Just before the end of the 2 years I was diagnosed with Focal Segmental Dystonia, even my own Doctor had never heard of it, because back then I was only the 7th person to have this disorder in the UK.

I was placed on medication to control the disorder, but I was given the option of an operation that could reduce the effects, but the success rate was very low, and it was dangerous if anything went wrong.

Since I had been through so much already, and with the Dystonia which affects the nerve system, caused me to have seizures, Epilepsy and Functional Episodes - I would rather put up with the way I was, at least it could not get any worse, so I thought. But in 2008, I had cancer then 4 years later 2 more life threatening operations - and yet I still get people asking if I drink or smoke!! It makes me wonder sometimes....

As it stands now I'm classed under Generalized Dystonia, Epilepsy, Functional Episodes and taking well over 140 tablets a week plus BOTOX injections every 10 weeks!! Now, waiting to see if the Pain Clinic can do anything, I give anything a try to get off Tramadol.

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Okay, getting back on track...

Considering I only believe in facts - in other words I must see something in front of me, not on TV, or any media (this can all be trickery from my perspective!), or anyone else.

It is like comparing fact or fiction, something could be both. That is what most people would assume.. but there is a third state, the cover-up or the conspiracy theory, but for this to work the conspiracy must be planned in advance. Now, look at purgatory again and where would it be? Then again the first Moon Landing has been questioned many times, again was this a conpiracy?

In a scientific state there is no space for Heaven or Hell, so where does Purgatory come from. The number of atoms never change in the universe, so where can Heaven, Purgatory and Hell actually reside? Years ago when science fact was not so well known, yes people may of believed in such places. As man developed and started applying science and mathematics, people started to see from a new perspective, and one that could be shown, thus fact.

If you start comparing religions, then you get mixed views, variations on the Bible, as of yet none of which can be proved as correct.

Purgatory from a scientific point of view, really cannot exist, it dates back only in certain religions and not others. In science an atom is 1 or nothing, the same as body mass and percentages (not weight). An example, say you placed an ice cube in a jar and sealed it totally, the atoms inside the jar do not change in body mass, the structure changes.

Much you read about is in the media, but this is always filtered and many more people these days are questioning certain news reports.

Unless I can literally see something in front of me, I do not believe in theories, only facts which can be seen. And before anyone asks, yes I have seen several planets when I was into astronomy and the sun using a special lens filter.

When I was young all we had was libraries, these days anyone can access virtually anything for referencing at schools. We only had a video player reel-to-reel....yeh, those were the days!

Regards,

Les,

thanks for that Les hope your disability does not mess up your life as mine did when I developed epilepsy due to a compresed fracture of the skull they had to take out bone shards then but I would not let them go the whole hog and remove the depression and replace it with a titanium plate in 1967 any form of brain surgery was in the dark still

did you bang you head..or even partially break your neck. hence the crack?

sorry for the delay was just recapping and I noted you were lacking an answer from me.  The accident was this the slaughter house had high ceilings on which were tracks on these tracks were 1/4 ton pulleys with hooks attached these tracks also had what we called gates which was in short a way of directing a pulley to a part of the slaughter house where it is needed.  What happened was the slaughtermen asked me to move a pulley over to him as he had just slaughtered a beast, what I failed to see or even realize was that a gate was open on the track I wa moving this pullley along subsequently the pulley came off hit me on the right side of my head I never knew anything for 2-3 months and it took a further 2 years before I was fully rehabiliated the facories inspecorate took the owner to court I got substantial compensation which I felt guilty about as Mr Thompson was an old man then and the fines and compensation ruined him and his business his great great grandfather had started.

oh peter that must have been so difficult for you.

I have often wanted to speak to a slaughterman to ask if the animals are dispatched with compassion. Do you feel that that is the case?

GOSH PETER what a trial.

WEll literally. Did you attend court?

I'm glad you did receive due compensation but gosh aren't these things complicated. I am sorry for Mr T but he would have understood. Was he not insured however?

Anyway Peter its as if you are a manifestation. I used to be vegetarian....specifically because I could not go through with visiting a slaughter house. I did turn up and made the attempt to enter....but just could not go through with it. I do not feel its right to let others do such difficult things...but now for health reasons I'm eating meat again. So if you don't mind I 'd really like to ask your more about your experience. Where you a slaughterman yourself? Or were you there as a technician or for some other reason. I would really like to know that staff do their best for the animals and dispatch them with compassion. Is this off topic anyone?

yes I hated that part of the job really all I should have been doing was delivery on oone of those old carrier bikes but the boss was an old boss who believed in getting is ounce of lard out of you so hence I often had to help in the slaughter house later it transpired at the trial I should have been at least 18 to work in such a hostile and dangerous enviroment working in such a place nearly made me go entirely vegan the sheep were the worst those eyes looking acusingly at you that fair did me but one thing we did do humane slaughter he even turned down a jewish order because he would not allow cosher killing at all and he could have been richer if he did so I am happy he never allowed that despite the court case nearly ruininng him he survived and he never held a grudge at having to pay out a vast sum in compensation there was always meat on our table every day provided by him until he died in his sleep one grey day.  One thing good came out of the factory inspecors report was an improved working enviroment in such places after that slaughter houses became hard hat areas people using knifes had to use mesh aprons and mesh wrist guards.  So out of good came bad the compo saw me through ubiversity and also enough to part fund the hostel I helped run, as I put the remainder in shares I had a continual income and did not need a wage as such my wage like my bosses wage were ploughed back into keeping the hostel going and I feel I was richer for it.

Peter ~

That had to have been a "rock and a hard place" for you to be in.  However, your life was changed in ways that no one should have had to endure.  I'm thinking that part of the payment was made through his insurance but that really isn't debate.  Your situation caused you so much more than losing a business.  That, true, was an unfortunate issue that you had to also deal with through your guilt but really, someone wasn't doing their job correctly and because of that, you suffer.  I'm so sorry about all that has happened to you.  

Again, I'm sorry for your struggles.

Frustrated

I was at the bottom  of the rung it transpired in the trial (I was too ill to attend) Mr T unbeknown to me had thoughts of training me up for a slaughter man and as he had me as a Saturday delivery boy he was trying me out I had all the horrible jobs like disemboweling the carces and things like hosing the poo from the sheep and pig intestines (sheep were thin pigs were thick suasages and to this day I still cannot eat sausages)  I went on to learn triming the meat from the bone cutting out and making varuios cuts of steak such as sirlion, rump and mignon.  We even kept all the fats these were melted in the oven (pork for lard and beef for dripping) and of course the scraps went into sausage meat.  Next were the lights these were minced up and sold of as dog meat, in those days we still ate the animals heart liver and kidney and also sheeps brain on toast a great delicasy but sad to say these days they are classed as offal and offal cannot be sold along with meat it can be say on pork chops cut right each chop has a part of kidney on it I used to love my pork chop that way, but that was as far as I got before the acident hit me I was told he was waiting for my 17th birthday to offer me an appreniceship but sadly I never made it.  I still have a deppresion in my skull from where I was hit they said because I was young and my bones had not fully formed the part of the skull the had to dig out in bits from the brain would and have done fused back they were annoyed with me when I refused further surgery to remove surgery to remove the depressed fracture and skim of the part of the brain where they surmised scar tissue was forming but that was in the 60's and brain surgery was in its infancy I had survived I developed epilepsy because of it but like COPD it was manageable I managed to read Sociology at University and graduated (odd word really as we were know as undergraduates) with a Bsc Hons.  I did a total of 40 years heavy work I learn to balance it between my seizures (it was not until I got older that I no longer get the warning signs) suits I had made I always made sure I had 3 pair of pants and of course wear an adult nappy for hygene and cleanliness from aura to seizure was roughly an hour then I needed 15 mins to attend to my self etc and I was back on the job.

oh so sorry

had to hide behind my hand ...before cautiously reading about the sheep....so difficult ...for you. but did they forgive you?

i am glad there was improvement to the premises...and well ok the boss didn't hold a grudge but neither did you.

i think you were both very stoical.

impressive that the boss kept to those scrupples...kosher remains contentious and for what benefit is that method used?

was this your purgatory or your transistion?

Please Kate never be appologetic that period of my life made me into what I am today a better far richer emotionally and more empathetic to my fellow human, some how out of all this I got a honours degree and had 40 fabulous years work I would give my right hand to have it again but I would not change a thing, I am as a Christian a believer in the bigger picture and that was my part in that picture, hapily I no longer have seizures these days (well not gran mall but the odd petit mal here and there) and most days I live life to the full.

looking back now at those post accident days (I never mentioned I had an OOB experience in the ambulance) and the recovery period there was a lot of self learning to be done with days when I was in some sort of limbo had parents who showed neither sympathy or empathy (I did learn my mom had epilepsy on her side of the family) no I had to get on with life the best I could so yes this transitionary period was definitely my purgertory

wow that is organised....!

as a nurse i completely understand the post epilepsy issues...and hey were you prepared and efficient. I have never known such a positively brilliant attitude....wow again!

I totally understand where you're coming from.  I get that.  However, I always feel badly for those who suffered at the hands of others for any reason.  I can see that it's made you a nice, warm person and that it didn't harden your heart with anger.  Kudos!  You have much to celebrate!

Frustrated

Thank you for sharing what was involved with your work.

What did you go on to do after your degree?

My work was classed as a forensic social worker I helped to run a bail/probation hostel for male offenders, I had to profile make court reports and even attend hearings the worst ones to attend were comital hearing especially those that I knew were going to prison for a long time I dealt with only 2 murderers one I managed to get comuted to manslaughter the other even I had no compilsion but to leave him to the judge he got Her Majesty Pleasure which was a life sentance to a teenager, it was hard sometimes to alienate yourself from what the person had done in breaking the law it was my solem duty to uphold it see that justice took its course many came back to us on their release and most went on to marry and raise a family, that was the big part of my job next was the hostel work I had to train unwiling youths to do some domestic duties from washing and ironing, cooking a basic meal and how to run a house hold budget which included shopping, we made one main meal a day the lads looked after breakfast, lunch and supper themselves but the main meal of the day was dinner at around 7-8pm some would stay by me as I showed them various culinary tricks, how to make sauces (one lad I am proud to say went on to be a sauce chef at a local hotel and has made a sucessful carreer from it and to think I sowed the seeds there) and of coarse how to cook joints make different puddings and soups.  Later on the local council got onto us and involved the fire brigade little did we know we were lacking in the regulations so I did an open university course in business logistics from that I learned how to do spread sheets data bases and learn business regs, so in the end the boss and myself were doing several jobs at one go I was having health problems towards the end I did not know until test were done I had stage2-3 COPD and a AAA which ruptured in 05.  So when the boss died of cancer in 03 we closed the place re-homed the remaining 3 residents and I went into sheltered accomodation with carers coming in it was strange at first having cared for so many people for 40 years I eneded up needing care myself, my epilepsy really flared up this time I was in and out of hospital so the decision had to be made (there was a touch of PTSD as well at that time) do I stay and keep playing yo-yo  with the hospital sense told me that this could not be so so I was streamlined into the nursing home I am in now, I have been here 10 years now and at last I am learning to rehabilitate myself with help believe me no ammount of education can prepare you for what I have been through but the main thing is I made it and come out smelling of roses In the last 2-4 years I have instrumental in organizing activities on the floor I am on (we have 4 units) big parties where we pay for an entertainer to come in we always involve the whole home but I am now getting tired I am getting little support and we have new owners that have realy clamped down on things for example I have a friend who run the gideons in Southport asked if he may come in and leave some bibles in rooms the stern answer was no, same as the local church which is in their parish used to come every three months to give us the sacraments now that has been knocked on the head as we have foriegn staff and it may insult them (odd we alway have had foriegn staff) anyway I have Christmas parceled up and I am doing some hard thinking for the comming year. 

Thank you Kate I honestly do at times sit down and reminice over my life the hard times are there but only faintly I feel acomlished by what I have done but realize I have more to offer. 

wow this string of conversation has grown to 219 (220 with this one) replies that is good going.

Hi Peter ~

Yes, it seems to be of interest to many!  I was hoping I could get good insight with everyone else's input and seems like that is happening!  WOW, 220,  you get the winning prize!  lol

Anyway, you've included your well informed posts into this discussion and for that, I'm very grateful for.  I've started a few other new discussions but none have taken off like this one.  

Thank you for being a part of this subject as I hits close to my heart.

Warmly,

Frustrated

Peter ~

Indeed you do have more to offer.  You're a very intelligent, wise person that loves to write and it shows, you are of excellence!

Thank you for your posts!

Frustrated

I will have to try and find those topics you started Kate.

Peter :D

peter you are an inspiration!

 i so admire all that you have done.

anymore nonsense from the home get onto the regulators and advise that your activities are being restricted....the care council....but i think their name has been changed. ask for some support with activity organisation.

don't overdo your efforts peter but know that you are appreciated. enjoy rest and quiet times too...but you are the one for a bit of fun...good for you!

We have a local advocacy service, the regulator's are the CQC also I once had to have a mental capacity examination as I wanted to write my own advance directive out and I passed it flying colours so they cannot issue me with a deprivation of libery notice as I have mental capacity plus the owner of this and other homes he owns will not last another court case he has had three alrady failure to comply and failure to comply to a CQC ruling are two of many.  And yesterday I did manage in another forum to talk a blogger out of harming themselves sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.  I went to bed an acomplised man that night if I can just make my mark on one person in one day I am humbled.

Peter ~

I'm so happy that you were able to do that, what a feat that is!  And yes, to accomplish something like that does humble one.  You are awesome!

Frustrated