Heaven ~ Hell ~ where does purgatory fit in?

Hello Peter, that is an elborate and tidy arrangement. What state are the dead in as they move through these heavens?

Interesting. As you have stated this as fact and not theory may I ask where you learned this?, is it from first hand knowlege ( maybe you have been resurected) or is it from an authorative source, say, Jesus or God or an angel?, or is it from another "Trent" style conference? because it certainly isn't from the bible

Yes Steve I have been there myself in 05 my AAA ruptured and I was critically ill for three months (on life support in critical care and HDU) it was during the 7 hours of surgery that my spirit slipped away I did not want to go there and then but I did want to know if the lifestyle I have led would gaurantee me a place in the Celestial City (the third Heaven) it was when I was waiting outside the gates that I spoke to God and he said no after that breif interchange I was rushed backe to the theatre but I refused to be re-united with my earthly form as I wanted to know what I had done wrong for God to be so displeased with me.  Eventually my gaurdian took me back again and it was there I was explained my faults and failures and what I must do to rectify things.  Then and only then was I willing to join my earthly body once again.  After recovery we got an invite from the hospital (they do this for those who have been in critical care for as long or longer as I had) to explain what happend what treatment took place and it was then I was told I had actually died twice (clinicaly) during surgery and I in all honesty can put that down to my travels.  Also while in HDU I had an out of body experience that they told me was when I had inadvertently nocked my tracheotomy tube out

we all have entered into the spirit form of our beings any discomfort is picked up by the gaurdian as ESP and not speech it sensed my discomfort to the vile spirits in the second heaven

 

Thanks Peter. There was a period of about ten years when I had steroid treatment. I reacted badly to it from the first pill. Most of the time I felt that the real me was about 30cm behind my body and controling my body from there. How do you interpret this sensation?

sounds as though you were in the early stages of addison's disease were you on high doses for a longer period it just seems your body was reacting badly to the oral steriods as does occur in addisons disease 

you may (and others too) scorn or laugh or even poor ridicule on what I wrote but as God is my witness it happened to me and as sone to others as well I just sincereley trust that you never end up in a similar predecament in your earthly days. 

Yes 22mg coated  Prednisolone daily for ten years. None of the doctors warned me of Addison's disease. at least I think not. I have few memories from those ten years. Those I do have are clear enough.

Thank you.

Who's scorning and/or pouring ridicule on what you have written? My only comment on that apart from GOSH!,is that I've spoken to several people who have had near death experiences and some who have technically died, and, while their stories have similarities yours stands alone with you having actualy had a conversation with God, when, according to scripture Jesus is our advocate and he alone puts our defence to him.

I'm not saying you are right or wrong in your assertions but, one person who had an experience, being of the Islamic faith swears he met Abraham and Jesus was not in the picture anywhere. 

Hi Peter, with commendable tact and kindness you have forborn to indicate who chose their words with too little care and wounded you. I would suggest, if you have not done so, send them a private message, so that the person may learn from the incident. If I am the one I would count it a great kindness. I should be most mortified if I unwittingly wounded one of my forum friends and colleagues on whom I so heavily rely.

Hello George,

We all read what others have written in differing ways,  at times we have to re-read a couple of times to get it clear  I see that last post from Peter as an after thought - he broke his train of thought to reply to you and the question you asked,  possible looked through his full reply and then decided to add an aside  - - - - - - -   I can't say for sure,  but have read and re-read,   and have to say here ,  I do have trouble following the replies as I have mentioned to you before,  but I really do think that  it may be the case that no one has actually said anything ,  Peter was just adding another thought.

If I got this all wrong and missed something,  pardon me for butting in.

Jessie.

Bless you, Jessie, for seeking to calm us. Thank you.

George

Always the little soul looking for calm in troubled waters lol.  tis just my way and I can see you also were looking to be the peace maker,  hey we have to pull together in these things and keep the flow going on the theme,  tis in the interest of all  -  does frustrated take a vow of silence at the w/e ... no replies from her !

Hello Jessie, 

I fear frustrated is having a bad day. She is so bright and vigorous on the forum that it is easy to forget that she is in as much affliction as the rest of us, probably more. Frustrated will be back and catch up with what she has missed to our help and to our amusement.

George

thank you for your account of what you experienced. did you speak to others who had anything similiar?

Was the purpose of the invitation to go back to the hospital for you to offer an account? Was it a meeting with others ? Was there anyone there with a special interest in out of body experiences? Which members of staff attended on you then?

Peter ~

This must be the reason I don't give credence to "satan".  I don't even acknowledge any strength from him.  My strenght is with my God and my God is light.  I've experienced both.  I know believe my guardians are guiding me.  I also have proof of this.  Will elaborate if you would like to hear.  Most probably not in this discussion but rather in a message to your email as some aren't even thinking on the level you've spoken of.  I'm striving to be here on earth for the last time.  I may just have it all wrong. 

Frustrated

I guess I should "proof" before I hit reply but I've found when I've done that, I've changed the entire meaning of my post.  I will however, re-state:

I NOW believe my guardians are guiding me.  Many more mistakes but this one I felt needed correcting.

Good point, you make, kind sir!

Hi Peter ~

To reference Doc's about the adverse effects he had on steroid treatment.  He could have clearly reacted badly due to the fact that some DO react badly.  My husband does not have addisons but he clearly cannot tolerate steroids as he goes into a psychotic reaction.   just sayin' Frustrated

Peter, I can assure you that I did not scorn or laugh or ridicule what you wrote about God.  I believe it happened to you as many  things have to me as well.  It's here we should feel safe enough to open up and speak from the heart and forget about what "others' feel about  what one says.  We are all here for one reason, to learn.  If you had one experience, myself one, Doc one etc...that's how we learn and feel safe learning.  Oftentimes we get stuck with our immediate family or friends and cannot speak our deepest thoughts as they would "ridicule, scorn and laugh".  Please be rest assured, if someone isn't interested in this topic, they wouldn't be here, right? 

So, please speak freely and don't feel you're being judged.  None of us have the authority to JUDGE.  right?

Frustrated

Well said, Doc.  I believe one can learn in private moreso than challenge one before so many others...besides, it takes us off the course of direction ie: discussion!

Frustrated

Jessie ~

I do believe everyone has said something.  The problem of not being able to follow "replies" is because even if you directly reply to that ones post, it doesn't fall directly under that particular post.  This is a fault of this site.  I have taken so much time going up and down trying to find out which one said this and why and why this one replied and to whom.

Perhaps we should just keep in mind that the site has weakness' as well and when we do reply, maybe start out with that simple rule we were given in Language Arts/English classes and that's to state the question before answering, would that possibly help?  I know it would help  me!

Frustrated

haha! I love you, Doc.  You cannot believe how hard I'm trying to  answer with everyone but I see it's all in good hands! Thank you! 

Jesse ~ I Doc, knows me oh, too well!  I will not ever sit quietly if something needs to be said LOL.  I've had a rough few days and hopefully they are a memory. 

But taking a vow of silence isn't such a bad thing, is it?  It's how we learn our best.  Just how I'm thinking, anyway.

I appreciate everyones input in here as it not only teaches me under a new direction but hopefully opens doors to others that may have slammed them shut otherwise.

Frustrated

yes that is a high dose of Prednisolone I was on 15mg twice daily for a considerable period the results were osteoporosis of the spine and I was checked for addison's but I scraped through that.

Hi frustrated sounds as though you are in the same boat as me and also that as John Bunyan when he wrote Pilgrims Progress I would love to hear more of your beliefs and possibly share mine too

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I did get your message in your first post frustrated your belief shines through what you put

Psychotic reaction, you can say that again if it is anything like I had. And what a struggle to get words out. EVENTUALLY with 4 pills to 'mittigate the problem' I was attending the Professor of Psychiatry at a famous medical university. He watched me intently as I struggled hugely to order my thoughts and get the words I wanted out. Did he think I was nuts? He sent letters to my sarcoidosis consultant begging him to stop the prednisolone treatment. Even I through the psycotic haze got the message that the consultant could not understand and stopped the treatment. The poor fellow was so upset. "Is that fair to me?" "If I don't come back, is that fair." "Yes," he said. Would you believe it. Probably not. Well, wild horses wouldn't have dragged me back.

I stopped all the pills the next day (OK, I had taken today's handn't I) including the Professor's and very gradually I recovered. So today here I am up to my neck in trouble, But I would rather be here than suffer prednisolone poisoning any day. I am glad frustrated's husband has a more sensible doctor than had back then.

Thanks Peter. At my first review with the consultant I was incautious enough to remark I was drinking eight pints a day.  I tried to qualify that by saying it was water, WATER I was drinking. (I had a perpetual feeling of intense thirst all those years. I learnt to ignore the feeling and drink what I thought I should.) I was still blinking with surprise when I found myself insalled in the urology ward full of old men in dressing gowns dragging large jorums of P... arround. (That was my first brush with prostate problems.) A week later I was discharged. I suppose the consultant found that water did not ruin kidneys or liver.

keep up the copious FILTERED water drinking.

Peter ~

Feel free if you find a need, to message me in on my email.  However, if you think this forum could also join in and share with what you have to say, that would be awesome!  I think this topic can be helpful with some who are at the edge and not knowing how to approach one side or the other. 

I do want to stress that each of us have experienced things in different ways.  When one states that they have actually "been there" it's not a reason to challenge.  I find it more interesting to pull more information out of that person as I truly believe if they've experienced something such as "seeing the light" or "hovering above while in the operating room", how very interesting it is to hear of their great resume (if you will) into the "afterlife".

Keep talking, this is fascinating

Frustrated

Doc ~

I know you are suffering with your affliction and I am praying that you can conquer this! 

Frustrated Xx

Peter ~

Thank you for your acknowledgement!  Let's continue with the experiences we've either had with the "afterlife" or opinions on the subject at hand, "purgatory".

Anyone else have an experience with "afterlife"?  Has anyone changed their position as far as "purgatory" is concerned?

Doc ~

I know you are suffering with your affliction and I am praying that you can conquer this! 

Frustrated Xx

Thanks marey for the chuckle. That consultant was a bit of a chump, but a dangerous one. He will have retired long long ago.