Heaven ~ Hell ~ where does purgatory fit in?

Frustrated, tis hat is a new problem or a newly noticed problem? I don't think it has been repoted before? Sytem hung at 02:33 or was very very low. 

Doc

This has been going on since the 28th or eariler, I just saw the last email notification on that date...what's going on.  I'm confused why you're getting my email notifications, don't you think that's strange?

Frustrated

Hi Frustrated, I just gave, I hope, a fairly full answer on another thread a couple of minutes ago. I hope you and others find it. If you think you would like Emis's take on this, report my comment as other and tap in what you what from him.

Doc

Hi George I am a Baptist by faith in our church we have no cross no crucifix we serve the risen Lord.

If you read the book of Revelations you will find your answer there is no reinccarnation because Jesus Christ died for our sins as a mere mortal on the third day he rose from the dead and then at pentecost ascended into heaven to sit at the right hand of God (here we do puzzle things a little as we also belwieve in the Holy Trinity that being God the Father God the Son and God the Holy Spirit)  As a church we beleive we are living in the end times the time before the Rapture which is the second coming where the quick and the dead shall rise for the final judgement.  What I am trying to say is why there is no reincarnation in the Christian faith it is because when we die we ascend to heaven too where the life crown is won and we live for ever more.  I know you are going to ask about the human body or remains after death the body is only a vesel in wich we nurture the spirit (Soul) so after death it is no longer needed and we dispose of it either by Cremation or burial.

I was born into the heaven and hell and purgatory brainwash....never read a bible, some good works in them and some evil..

I don't believe any of it now and at 76 I'm free and my remains will fly over the Pacific Ocean when it's time.....Freedom!!!!!

I've met and talked to too many SMART people in my last 20 yrs.  

 Joy 76 US

I love this topic but won't debate with anyone....I've done my WORK to be where I've arrived......

HI Doc ~

Thank you for your post.  I understand everything you've stated.  I'm not sure how to state what I feel but for just stating it.  My strong beliefs come from within and I feel strongly that some who are here on this earth, are in purgatory, other's will have to come back.  I believe that this is my last life to live on this earth and then I'm with eternity thereon.

Can't seem to explain it any better than that and I'm sorry if I offended anyone's beliefs.

Thank you

Frustrated

Hi Peter, That is a splendid statement. We are in agreement to a remarkable degree. My statement did not cover the ground that you did. I was trying to address the idea implied in the word Purgatory as brought out in the various comments in this discussion.  It is probably an aside to our suject matter but I would be grateful if you would enlarge on the phrase "as a mere mortal". As it stands, it seems to imply an idea I have not come accoss. Your statement deals with those who are Christ's most agreeably. The nub of my argument regarding Pugatory concerns how Chist may deal with those who are not his. I was intending to convey the idea that it may be consistent with the sweep of the Bible account that some spirits may upon Christ's judgement be required to be born of woman a second or even a subsequent time. The world to them would be Purgatory as already proposed by some contributors. The word Purgatory is not it in the English language Bible. I am at present unable to prove such an idea either true or false from the Bible. Perhaps you may be able to help here.

Thank you you Joy. Nothing more to be said. Yet, given your superiority in years I should entreat you as a mother to reconsider.

George 73 UK

Thank you for that, Frustrated. As far as the subject of Purgatory is concerned we agree. 

Doc

superiority in years, does that mean super years....and what and who should reconsider...re consider what?    .

But perhaps I wouldn't be so unkind as to make entreaties when contentment had been found. I was thinking of a youngish man. He was called Timothy. He was given advice on how to approach older women when there was a matter of disagreement between them. George

OK first of let me answer what I grew up and was led to believe purgatory was, it is a phrse mainly used in Catholic Doctrine as a place or suffering inhabited by souls of sinners who are axpiating their sins before going to Heaven.

Next mere mortals well not exactly how to phrase this with out bringing too much religion into the conversation what C S Lewis the author of the Screw Tape Letters wrote about mere mortals to quote him "next to the Blessed Sacrament itself your neighbour (or next man in the street) is the Holiest object presented to your senses.

Just found the full scipt:-

http://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/2011/10/17/there-are-no-ordinary-people-you-have-never-talked-to-a-mere-mortal/

That is some reading I have given you George but I sense you are a very educated man like myself and always in search of the truth what ever it may be.

Just leave this thought with you as I am in the Autumn of my life I find I ask few questions of God these days I just have a fealing of contentment I know what awaits me and I am happy my job before I shift my mortal coil is to make others aware there is nothing to fear about death at all for life as we know it goes on.

hopfully what I replied to you will be allowed as I gave you 2 separate links to other sites I should have PM you but that would take it out of the whole string.

Peter

Thanks Peter. If disallowed I should be happy to receive them by Private Message. George

Just that I spent some time in answering you putting things in a neat order that all could understand now it is trying to remember what I wrote most blogs I do on this site I cut and paste the reply as sometimes the sight crashes but not this time, anyway they should allow my post as it was only a link to wikipedia and C S Lewises page.

Thank you Peter. I look forward to the links being freed. George

Dear Peter - your message of 7 hours before this reply.

Thank you for that link. I think we understand each other quite well. Bible study with others is for me a mutual striving to understand what is actually being said. I do not think I will be given enough years to gain more than a small part of all that the Bible really contains.

As to death I fully concur. When will our Lord judge our duty done and bring us home. A happy day indead. George

Thank you George so glad it went through those are very useful links I startes the bible whilst young and in the days when it was not "cool or hip" for a teenager to show Christian beliefs hence I was often bullied because of what I beleived in but was the only one in the class to take and pass an 'O' and 'A' level in religeous studies from what I remember my 'O' Level was baased on John Bunyans  "Grace Abounding" and the "A" on his other works "The Pilgrims Progress" and in the original style of speech he wrote.

Thank you Peter. I have not been a student of the Bible so long. I started in my early thirties. I studied a Theology degree course about 15 years ago and did well in years 1 and 2. On starting year three I found it was Enlish literature course, foundation or perhaps year 1 using religious texts as subject matter. That was not what I was looking for so I withdrew. No refund of fees.

So sad you never finished your studies George as I feel you could have made a good minister of the church together with others we have created such a 2wonderful topic and got some meaingful answers.

The third year was a change from an evangelical organisation to a liberal/secular one. I was too old for a regular ministry. In any case my local church did not wish to sponsor me and did not give me oportunity for preaching practice. That lack alone would have prevented me gaining a degree.

But I am glad to be here and enjoy sharing ideas.

sad really as I have a feeling you would have made a good evangalist preacher, I am evangelical and 3-4 churches of that ilk in Southport show no age barrier, in one the minister started preaching on a junior circuit at the age of 17 now he is still going strong at the age of 64.