Heaven ~ Hell ~ where does purgatory fit in?

Hi Kate the reply I made to steve 1 4 days ago encompases what I witnessed in my near death experience from that experience when we die we enter a series of Heavens 1,2, and 3 it was the second heaven ruled over by Satan and His princes that was the purgatory (well in my mind and what horrors I experienced there.  Number 1 was more like a waiting room where we all go from there we may be picked up by a gaurdian who takes us through the second Heaven which it seems we all must go and if not destined for that we still have to witness it and my what horrors I saw but my gaurdian sensed my unease and put my troubled mind at rest.  As I did not get the answer the first time when I was in the third Heaven I more or less refused to enter my body again on the theater table, I went all the way back until I got my answer and then quite happily joined my body again.  Much Later on (about 3 months) I attended a special clinic designed for those who had been in critical and High dependancy for 3 months in an induced coma this was to answer questions such as what happened what they did and how I did.  It was here they told me I had clinically died twice on the table during the 7 hour op in fact after the second jump start they had DNR me but guess what I beat them to it and made it out in the end.  So it was this experience that changed my thinking on Heaven, Hell and Purgatory in short I had been there twice and still remember vividly what went on.  This was nothing like when I was in an induced coma the drugs gave you some wierd whacky dreams that at times I thought were actually a form of reality.

fascinating!

so glad the hospital treated you with the respect due and also took an interest in your experience. So did you make any personal resolves? Do you feel you have passed through a stage and in some way reached towards greater enlightenment?

Maybe we are all at different stages in the 'redeemption' process? Is that what's in your mind frustrated?

When I reached the gates I was not allowed in I think we all know what would have happend had I done so the question I asked of God made me change my life beyond measure, I did note in this string someone asking me was it not Jesus who did the intermediatry work in a way we were not actually to speak to God face to face but that person failed to remember the Trinity God the Father God the Son and God the Holy Spirit and in your last remarks yes I do think we all are going through different redemtion stages to me that is what life is all about.

Yes, Marey, that is exactly what's on my mind "redeemption process".  Seems proof enough just but the few whom have written on this discussion, how do you feel about this?

Frustrated

yes I like it ...a cleansing of past mistakes

So, Peter, if I'm reading this correctly we haven't even entered purgatory yet.  We'll do that when we die and our guardians will take us through purgatory and if we need to stay there, they will leave us?? or does the guardian take us past this on to the 3rd heaven?

Interesting idea and I cannot even contest this as you had this experience and I haven't therefore, I hear what you're saying.

Sounded like an experience I'd write about.  Have you done this in a professional manner?  You express yourself well while writing and I believe you have a wonderful story to share.

Warmly,

Frustrated

Hi Peter, Marey, Frustrated O! and all of you who have contributed to this discussion. I am really challenged by you all. I think I must open my mind a bit and reassess my take on life an eternity. I really should not be surprised that there is more to time and eternity than I have got my mind around. 

So thank you all. When I have done some more thinking I shall post my thaughts and see what you have to say about them.

George

ok ...will look forward to that by way of summary xx

Thank you Doc!

I also have opened my way of thinking as well.  Just because I learned one way doesn't mean it's the right way.  Like Peter, he actually had this experience.  I was on the OP table myself and did have to be brought back but my only memory of this was floating over myself and following the doctor down the hall talking with my mother and boyfriend (at that time) and then CODE BLUE was announced over the PA and the doctor excused himself and that's when I felt that pull back to my body.  I believe what Peter experienced and that has opened my mind to the 3 heavens.  

Again, thank you for your post

much love

Frustrated

gosh peter...it must have been a powerful experience for staff in the O.T.

...if they had decided DNR ....but you come back anyway!!!!!!

wonder if they had started to 'tidy up' the theatre...but then your chest raised or you made a gasp of inspiration for air. What a dramatic moment !!

Hi Kate the second Heaven I mentioned was to me like Purgatory it was ruled by the devil and he had many Princes doing his varuious works as I was only passing through my gaurdian would not let me linger longer than was required only just to catch fleeting glances of certian things such as the rigors of insanity, epilepsy etc

I only wish I was there to watch the moment when they decided that I wanted to live I was allowed 6 weeks in ICU before I was transfered to HDU (High Dependancy Uinit) here you were rewied weekly and of course I was on my last week before any decision was made as to whether or not they turned of the life support did I start responding and trying to breath on my own, I think it was a visitor I had from the nursing home where I lived reading a letter a man wrote to me from there I still have that letter but no longer the friendship of David who was promoted to glory 3 years ago we had a great friendship often playing scable until the early hours and we never stuck to the rules.

Hi Peter.

Yes that is an interesting take on the Devil. I have him in Purgatory (Hell, Hades) not as ruler but as chief prisoner. The intreguing question is whether ruler and chief prisoner is actually one and the same since no one in Purgatory would choose to be there, whatever their role.

Hi Doc ~

Personally, I don't believe they are one of the same.  Chief prisoner is just that, one who chiefly deserves to be put into "doom" forever, hence, the "devil, satan, etc..."  The Ruler, is our Lord.  This is my opinion and other's may feel differently and that's fine.  I'm up for diversity as well and can always be convinced otherwise if the argument is a good one.

Thank you for your post,

Frustrated

Hi Frustrated,

There is an example in history. Napoleon when deposed as Emperor was banished to Elba where he was nominal ruler. He escaped and for a few months made a lot of trouble. Defeated and captured he was imprisoned on St Helena. No fiction of ruler any more.

I agree with you. Jesus Christ is King of kings and Lord of lords. There is none like him. The Shah of Persia styled himself King of Kings and fled his Peacock Throne when he lost power to a rebellion, He ,mocked the true King of kings and fell from power.

Back to the Devil, Satan, Father of Lies, Murderer from the beginning. Yes a prisoner and a powerless one at that. An ordinary angel led him away to his incarceration. I was casting around for a harmony with Peter's view. You didn't buy my effort. Thank you for your helpful comment.

Doc

what happened to your friend david?