How I cured my gastritis

Where did you get it from? or was it on prescription?

Hi,

Where can we buy the probiotic clostridium butyricum? Thanks!

I got mine prescribed in China, but I googled it and it can be found and bought online. My doctor was a US qualified korean gastroenterologist working in an international surgery and it was the first thing he suggeested when I told him nexium didn't work for me. Back in England now and have recently been t see a GI specialist who told me to keep taking it, see if I can find a similar one here and to try prebiotics. I'm a bit worried about the prebiotics because of the extra fibre so would be interested to know if anyone has tried this with gastritis.

All I can say is I felt like I was well on the way to recovery after 1 and a half weeks of taking it syptoms reduced everyday. Then when I stopped they came back. Took me a while to put it down to the probiotics, I thought I'd got worse again by cheating alot on the diet (which i'd done because I was feeling so much better) Anyway after a 4 week break of trying PPIs again and symtoms worsening I was in despair again and starting to panic as anything i ate caused excessive stomach bloating indigestion and burping 1 hour later and pain 2-3 hours later with periods of nausia and I started looking gaunt and underweight.

Then I realised I was having better days and bad days and tried to work out what was causing the good days. I'd had a packet of the probiotics left over from china i my purse and had taken them on days when i'd been out with meals. I emailed my doctor in china and he wrote me a months presription which my partner picked up for me and bought back with him. 2 weeks in and its like a small miricle, pain gone, acid almost gone, no burning, burping almost gone and very mild, feelings of indgestion almost gone. None of the above bothering me or impacting on my life.Even managed to put on a few pounds over the last few days, and snack on cookies, I would say symptoms so far 90-95% managed. I've even eaten close to what could be classed as normal sized meals, waited with baited breath and had no pain or indigestion. I would recomend doing some light research, everything I found was hugely positive. I've also gone dairy free as my GI specialist recomended it for the IBS. Before I tried the probiotic even water was irritating me so its that much of an improvement. Don't think it can be just any probiotic though as I've read that soil based probiotics are best if you have GI issues as lacto based oned can make GI issues worse.  I'm not sure of the strength of the pills because the leaflets in Chinese, but I was told to take 6 tablets a day, 2 with each meal. I'm trying to make the tablets last a bit longer so after a few days I reduced to 4 a day. I tried slippery elm/licorice/warm drinks which might have helped manage the symptoms a bit but with clostridium butyricum I have my energy and appetite back.

Only a personal story but I promised myself when I was suffering that if I found anything that helped me I would share it, as trying all the recomended meds and herbal treatments was a nightmare. And you have the constant worry that you are trying something that will make it worse.  

Have googled it and looked on amazon ebay etc and cannot find anywhere that sells it.

MIYARISAN PHARMACEUTICAL CO., LTD This is the name of the company that makes the brand I have. The pack I have looks the same as the one on wikipedia. Yeah I've just tried to buy it and realised I will have difficulties getting it in the UK. I'm going to email the company though, they have an English site and see what they suggest. Although I did see you can buy the powder from some private sellers 

Luna3, thank you for the company's name you posted for  where to get a hold of probiotic clostridium butyricum  .  I will try to contact them to see if I can get some to NZ.  Thanks!

Whats LPR?

For that matter what is visceral hypersensivity?

LPR is silent reflux. It is when some acid from the stomach goes up to the throat and cause a sore throat and other problems in the sinuses and lungs. I think the acid goes up in the air or something. I had a little bit of a sore throat previously.

Visceral sensitivity is a special form of IBS when the nerves are too sensitives and give to the brain information of excess pain while in reality everything is fine. It is exacerbated by stress. I don't understand if there is inflammation too or not, if I understood correctly there is no inflammation. I just learned today about this, I don't know much at all then what I just read on the internet.

Hi Ines. Its good your gastritis is gone. Do you know what treatments you need to deal with the visceral sensitivity?  Ive not heard of it. How did he know your gastritis had gone?

Hi Emma,

He did not do any test, he just asked me lots of questions, in particular very detailed questions about how I felt 9 months ago?!? I was really confused about that. I don't remember in details how I felt 9 months ago. I answered randomly half the questions.

Looking at his notes, he wrote non-ulcer dyspepsia. The treatment is to decrease the PPI (dexilant) to the lowest level possible with which I feel comfortable and then address the non-ulcer dyspepsia. He said that it is related to stress and sometimes medication against anxiety helps. I am really not happy about that. I have no stress in my life at the moment and I really would prefer not to take anything, especially not anxiety medecine. He said too to avoid coffee, tea, cola, mints, chocolate, alcohol, fatty foods, late dinner, citrus, tomatoes, spicy foods,  to controle GERD ... nothing new there.

I read online that non-ulcer dyspepsia is sometimes accompanied by an irritation of the stomach lining. I am quite sure I had an irritation of the stomach lining and I am sure too that it is currently resolving. I have had no pain since Monday. But beside that I wonder if this is the right diagnosis. I am really not sure what to think of this.

 

Hi Ines

When I had my endoscopy quite a few years ago, because nothing showed up I was told I too had non-ulcer dyspepsia. I have always felt that Drs dont get much training with regards to the digestive system and it is easier to say that to someone if they dont know what it is. 

I have been told on a number of occasions that mine is down to stress and anxiety. I gave up going to the Drs because I was given anxiety tablets and all they did was make me feel like a zombie, I slept most of the day. I agree that stress makes our condition worse, but mine is not caused by it. I can feel fine then eat something I shouldnt, and will then feel really ill.

I think you are fixing your stomach by yourself with the diet you are on and taking the ppis. I have decided not to have another endoscopy. After reading a few reports from people on here that have said that they can make you worse, I just cant face it. 

Im doing the diet and just waiting for my fermented vegetables to do so I can start them. There is a company in America called Body Ecology and they do a vegetable culture starter and have a massive amount of reviews. People are saying how much cultured vegetables have improved their digestive problems. I definitely want to give it a try.

Might be worth including in your diet, they definitely seem to do a lot more than tablet probiotics.

Hi Emma,

Thank you for sharing. I definitely feel that non-ulcer dyspepsia is the name of all the conditions doctors don't know much about. Also I am sure that my stomach lining was inflamed. But as you said I am getting better. I just hope that I can feel good without any medication at some point. First because I hate medications, second because I would like to get pregnant.

I agree with you about anxiety medicine. I mean I have never taken it but I have heard from friends and see the effect on other people, I really don't want to take it. I told the doctor what if I start running to controle my stress instead of taking anti-anxiety medecine. He answered that there is no study about this. I said that I disagree, it is currently very much studied (there are a lot of studies currently in the health section of the New York Times about the benefits of intense exercise, including benefits for depression as it stimulates the production of neurones in the hypothalamus). He looked really upset at me. He said too that I read way too much on the internet. I am really annoyed at doctors who want you to not question anything they say and follow their treatment blindly. It is true that there is lots of misinformation on the internet but on the other side, they don't know everything either.

I know you are very much into fermented foods. But personally I prefer fresh food that has been minimally processed (I do remove the fibers as much as possible lately). My problem with fermented foods is that the process of fermentation makes the food much more acidic. The bacteria produce lactic acid, some forms of alcohol, and other hydrocarbons. Those are too irritating for my stomach lining. I try to get good bacteria from tempeh that I digest very well and I might try miso diluted in soup at some point.

I really wish I could have greek yoghourt again. It is basically fermented milk. I used to have it every morning but now it just makes me worse.

Hi Ines.

When you had the endoscopy, I thought they found gastritis. If so, I reckon you have still got it although obviously milder. I dont like the sound of this Dr you have just seen. If you are following a good diet and restricting the amount of acid you are producing, then I dont see why

your stomach wont heal. As you have said before, it can take up to a year to heal so I would keep that in mind. I have done really well with mine in the past then started eating chinese food regularly. I know now not to ever do that again. 

I dont think you should listen to him about anxiety tablets. They say that things like yoga are good for stress. The thing is, the better you get, the less you stress and then when you are well enough to work, you wont be thinking about your stomach so much so stress will just dissappear.

I look at the internet all the time and I have found a lot of very useful information, I wouldnt be without it. The Drs dont like us knowing more about things than they do. 

I know what your saying about fermented foods being acidic. When I opened the jar of the cabbage and carrot, it did smell vinegary. I have just made some asparagus and cauliflower/parsnips so am hoping that I will be able to have just one of them without it making me sore. I will let you know on that. I did have a look at the tempeh, but a bit unsure about having soy.

Do try and stay positive. The Dr seems to knock you back but I think you are doing really well on your own. Just think back to how you were in the beginning to how you are now and if you are a lot better, then you just need to keep going with what you are doing. Take care.

Yes you are right, the endoscopy showed mild gastritis and eosophagitis. And that was after taking dexilant for one month. The doctor said that my gastritis is gone, that it has been gone after one week of dexilant. But now that I think about it, this is ridiculous as I did the endoscopy after taking dexilant for one month and it showed mild gastritis, so it was definitely not gone in one week.

I am not planning on taking anxiety tablets. I will start running again. There is an article in the New York Times called "How exercise can calm anxiety". I don't really feel anxious but just in case, it can only do me good. If that is not enough I will try meditation or Qi Gong.

Thank you for your support!

Yes I think you still have mild gastritis so keep on doing what you're doing and you should get better.  I have two dogs I walk every day and I do find that this can really de-stress me. I think some form of exercise is really good for your mind and body.