How quickly can this progress?
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I was diagnosed a just over a month ago with emphysema by a cat scan. I am only 44 and a nonsmoker. I have never smoked other than the occasional cigarette out with friends but my mum smoked when I was a kid. I have been tested for alpha1 and my levels are normal and have mm gene (normal). No one is able to explain how I possibly have emphysema. I have seen 2 pulmonologists and have no answers. I am scared as I do not know how quickly this will progress. My FEV1 has stayed around 77-80% but my TLCO (gas exchange) dropped 10% in the last year to 67%. I know these numbers are not bad at the moment but if my TLCO continues to drop at this rate it won't be good. My doctor said they the TLCO is equally as important as the FEV1 and the drop was a concern to him. My RV and TLC are steadily increasing which is not good either. Just scared as I have 3 young children whom mean the world to me. I am feeling terribly depressed and isolated. None of this makes any sense to me. Can anyone give any insight on the drop in TLCO? How quickly could this progress? . I going to see an alpha 1 specialist who will test for rare gene defects in January. I am hoping they will be able to provide some explanation of this. If you have any insight please let me know. Thanks for any input.
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hypercat COOKIE25
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I understand the most important thing is how you feel not what your figures say and that the FEV1 is the most important figure. Do you still feel ok and fit enough to do what you have to and want to do? If so then I wouldn't worry too much about it. At your level you wouldn't usually progress quickly and it will probably be many years before you start having real difficulty, if at all. When I was diagnosed with copd at age 56 my doctor said not to worry as something else would probably get me first ie old age.
Only about 1 in 4 people end up with copd and you are very unlucky to have got it especially as you have never smoked. You must be ususually sensitive to pollutants as you are isuffering due to second hand smoke.
As long as you lead a healthy lifestyle you might not progress much it at all for a long time. No one can predict the progress exactly as we all vary, x
larry57975 hypercat
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hypercat larry57975
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For me real difficulty would be unable to walk more than several hundred yards on the straight without getting out of breath. Or being on oxygen at least at night. I just carry on as normal with my life but a bit slower that's all. It's when I couldn't carry on as normal that I would define as 'real difficulty'.
You might have to make some minor adaptions to your life but that's par for the course, but I wouldn't expect someone with your lung function to have to make any more than minor adjustments. It;s if you have to make more major adjustments then life would be more difficult.
The most important thing to recognise is that while it is a chronic condition it is also manageable with a bit of care, like most chronic conditions are. The most important thing is not to let it take over your life and to keep a sense of perspective and sense of humour. Over anxiety about it will not help. I hope this helps. x
COOKIE25 hypercat
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Katinka46 COOKIE25
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I feel very sympathetic to your situation. It is very difficult. I guess you are in US? The time of the posting and the terminology you use indicates that. I cannot help a lot as I am not a doctor, only a patient and I am concerned in case I worry you more. But it seems you are worried anyway. Exactly what was the diagnosis of emphysema based on? What did your pulmonologist (we call them respiratory consultants in the UK) see on the scan that led to that conclusion? It seems highly unlikely that your smoking history and the exposure to your mother's smoking can be significant. COPD, (which is an umbrella term for the group of conditions containing emphysema,) as far as I know, always has a cause. It doesn't just pop up. As you know Alpha1-anti-tripsin-deficicncy seems to be the only other cause. And that has been ruled out. In my exderience, and others may disagree with me, the worst about these puzzling medical matters is not knowing what a disease is. Even if it is a nasty one I believe we are generally better off knowing. We know what we are dealing with, we can access the help and support of doctor and nurses with the expertise. It does sound as though your pulmonologist is doing her/his best to get to the bottom of it. One of my bugbears is that I believe doctors are too quick to diagnose COPD because it is common. So push for the answers. There are other conditions that fit the profile that your tests show.
Sorry I can't offer bland reassurances. My condiiton is somewhat similar to yours, and it is proving hard to diagnose.
I do hope you get seme help.
K xx
COOKIE25 Katinka46
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To answer your question about the diagnosis - the emphsema was seen on a cat scan so unfortunately there is no questioning that one. I would not have even investigated anything as I am not hindered by breathlessness and work out on a regular basis but I have a cough eacha and every morning which I knew was not normal
So - you are half correct on the American front I am American but have lived in the UK for 10 years so I still use my American terms on many fronts. In America there seems to be much more support on the alpha1 front. For example, if I were there I could be be able to request a kit for a blood sample, mail it off and they would test for rare types of Alpha 1 by mail for free. Amazing. It is all part of awareness and research done by Alpha1 Foundation.
Anyway, thank you for your imput. It is nice to hear someone else understand that not knowing and not having answers makes it really hard. If you have a minute, I'd be curious to hear about your condition. xx
Katinka46 COOKIE25
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Thanks for your response. Mine is quite a long story, but you did ask. Six years ago I had multiple, bilateral pulmonary emboli after a hip replacement operation. I also have a history of asthma since I was a child which muddies things considerably. (Doctors assume that my symptoms are down to poorly managed asthma.) I never recovered from the PEs: remained very breathless, but I knew it was not asthma. Because I did not recover and the condition was in fact worsening I knew after about nine months that I had chronic thromboembolic disease (CTED). It took doctors another four years to catch up with my diagnosis, which was finally acknowledged in August 2014. It then became increasingly clear that my symptoms could not be accounted for by CTED alone, which in my case was mild and was not causing pulmonary hypertension, and that there was also, and more significantly, an obstructive lung disease that was not asthma. This seems to have come on suddenly after the PEs, (COPD and emphysema do not come on suddenly, they take decades to develop), and may have been linked to the bleeding and congestion that I experienced with the PEs. (I went on coughing blood for six weeks after the PEs.) I believe I have a condition called obliterative bronchiolitis. This comes about as a result of injury to the lower respiratory tract, (the small airways), the body goes into repair mode to heal the damage and then forgets to stop, so that scarring continues. It is difficult to diagnose, can't be seen directly on CT scan, and often the pulmonary function and spirometry numbers can be near normal. It is usually diagnosed from the history, symptoms, evidence of air-trapping seen on high resolution CT scan. It has none of the usual symptoms of an obstructive lung disease, there is no inflammation and is resistant to bronchodilators and oral and inhaled cortocosteroids. So I tick all the boxes and I am just waiting for my consultant to do the same or tell me what his evidence is that counters it.
It has been six years of ongoing nightmare, with doctors telling me that it is dysfunctional breathing, that I am anxious, depressed, "it's all in your subconscious," "you need cognitive behavioural therapy." Which constitutes another whole story....
And, of course, it should never have happened: I did not have adequate medication to prevent the PEs in the first place, I told the surgeon that there was a history of thrombosis in my family, but he ignored me.
And that is another whole story as well...
However, I am a tough old bird and am incredibly lucky with my friends, and family. I could not have managed without their support.
All the best and do tell me how things develop.
K xxx
Katinka46 COOKIE25
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K x
COOKIE25 Katinka46
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lill83898 COOKIE25
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Also, a child who might have many respiratory infections etc may lead to COPD eventually.
Second hand smoke can also cause damage over the years.
jude65855 COOKIE25
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The important thing to accept and build on is the knowledge that unlike many medical conditions (eg lung cancer) the rate of progression can be slowed down considerably if we can learn to manage the condition. My strong recommendation is that you switch your focus from the possible causes, which is something you have no control over, to getting yourself to pulmonary rehab ASAP, because that IS something you have control over.
No one can tell you how fast your COPD will progress because there are far too many variables: all you can do is manage it as best you can.
I know other forum members will have read this story of mine many times before, but you're new so I'll repeat it again for you: when I was shocked and depressed and scared after diagnosis, my then gp told me to stop panicking, that she'd just been to the funeral of patient in her 80's who'd had COPD for decades.
rizwanyounis516 COOKIE25
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I think this is transferred by the geans of your mother. Concern with other specialist might he helps you out.
Guest COOKIE25
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I moved house 18 months after that. My new GP took one look at me and said I did't have COPD and took me off the salbutamol which had been prescribed.
The last few months I've had some problems at home and found that even the walk to school (1.5 miles each way) was too much for me.
I don't smoke but I did for about 20 years. I panic every day that I have lung cancer. My husband tells me that I wouldnt be here now if I did have it as I've coughed for years now.
Do you find that you cough more when you are panicking? Do you take your inhaler too much? This can make the panic worse.
Hope you are okay x
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Vee2 COOKIE25
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As for emphysema, this can stabilise if you look after your lungs as best you can, ask your doctor if you can be referred to a pulmonary rehabilitation course so you can best learn how to manage the illness and symptoms, precautions you should take etc. The most important thing for now as we are in winter is wherevern you can try to avoid contact with people who have colds and flu, always wash hands when you come in from shopping and teach your children to wash their hands when they come in from shopping, school as well. If you get a cold act quickly to avoid it going to your chest. First signs of a cold, scratchy throat I gargle with listerine total 3 x daily. If the cold goes to your chest try to get to see your GP quickly to get your lungs checked and if needed anti biotics and prednisolone will be prescribed.
The DLCO, I know it as (UK) is the main thing that affects my situation, but my DLCO is quite a bit lower than yours. but I've only had the DLCO recorded on my initial diagnosis, I think the DLCO can vary as can the FEV from one test to another, so try not to worry about that, just ask for it to be checked again in 6 months or so, ask the alpha1 people if they also check the DLCO,
The progression of the illness varies from person to person, but I've noticed personally over the years that those who looking after themselves really well, live a much long life with more stable health, than those who continue to smoke, don't eat properly, don't exercise etc etc. That's why the pulmonary rehabilitation course is a good thing, you get to know the does and don'ts.
I've been diagnosed 12 years now and I suspect I've got at least another 12 years left in me if not more
Just aim for getting all the tests done and out of the way, get on a PR course, do the best you can to maintain as good health as you can so that you can stabilise your condition and this will help you live a long a happy life in to old age.
Best wishes V
COOKIE25 Vee2
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I have now seen the Alpha1 specialist and he does not think I have ALpha1 but is sending a blood sample to a clinic in the US to be sure. They test for every genetic type of Alpha1 (over 120!). Here they test for the 4 main types. My blood levels came up at the low end of normal. I could potentally have normal levels which are non-functioning which is why he is sending things off to a genetics lab. He also said my emphysema did not look "normal" as in he has not seen it present like this before. Nontheless it is some form of emphysema. It is all very confusing to me as my case is just not staighfroward.
He also thinks that I may have asthma on top of my emhysema which is causing my DLCO numbers to vary so much. He is going to do nitrite oxide test for this.
Hopefully I will have some answers soon. Thanks.
Oh - have had my flu jab but will ask about the pneumonia vaccine as well. THx!
hypercat COOKIE25
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COOKIE25 hypercat
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jude65855 COOKIE25
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If you don't need a referral where you are, just go direct to rehab: it really is worth it