I really dont understand pmr illness

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Hi,

I hope you are all well.

I thought I was, with the help and advice I have gained from this forum.

Diagnosed in May with pmr, down from 15mg to 8.

I have tried hard with pacing and a little acceptance.

However, last Thursday gardening, Friday felt rubbish, Saturday felt fine. . .

From Sunday I have been in agony, legs arms etc.

This has been as bad as when I reduced steroids from 12.5-10.

I don't understand why I felt fine on Saturday to how dreadful I feel at the moment, do I increase steroids back up to 9 as painkillers have no affect.

If I ask my rheumatologist he wil say no to increase and plus I will have to through hell week all over again.

Please advise,

Julia

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    Doctors love to give schedules out as to how much you take and when.  Wouldn't it be lovely if PMR cared what your doctor had to say.  It doesn't.  Prednisone should be reduced slowly and carefully to avoid withdrawal symptoms, and to minimize flair ups from going lower than your inflamation will allow.  Others here will in detail tell you how you can minimize such issues.  There is a strategy here called DSNS;  read it, live it, love it.  As for our Rheumatologist, if he really feels you should just grin and bear it, you need a new doctor.

    • Posted

      Many thanks Mark for you're speedy reply and excellent advise.

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    Hi Julia, you have reduced a lot faster than many of us with this condition.  Maybe the gardening just tipped you over the edge.  I am sure you will get lots of advice from those with more experience of the condition than I have.  I've only seen the rheumatologist once and she was quite happy with my blood results and decided she didn't need to see me again unless I experienced any problems.  She also indicated that if at any point after a reduction that symptons start to flare - go back to where you felt ok.  In your case it may be that the inflammation was gradually building up and 8mg was not completely controlling the inflammation.  The gardening was a step too far.  I am sure someone will be along to suggest how to deal with things, personally I might be tempted to go up to 10mg and reduce using the dead slow method.  I believe there are many of us who are still on 10mg at the first year stage.   Good luck, Diana

    • Posted

      Hi,

      Many thanks for you're speedy reply,

      I am sure you are right, so don't want to increase dose if I can avoid it.

      But, this week has been really hard, especially as today I was on Nanny duty collecting my lovely 3 years old from nursery.

      She walked quicker than me.

      Take care

  • Posted

    I talk about pacing, but really, after a lifetime of working until something is finished I find it hard to stop. I'm getting better after a couple of years.

    I'm currently on 2 1/2mg pred. When I do overdo things I notice some extra pain first in my wrists and if I don't take an extra 1mg for a day it escalates and I need more than a few days extra.

    I also notice things that need a bit of strength or are repetitive short movements seem to aggravate me most. It seems that anything that gets my blood flowing (like a fast walk) helps reduce the symptoms - though its the last thing I feel like doing.

    I'm much more confident with predicting the effects of what I do than I was a year ago. Partly lower pred/less symptoms but also simply time. I've got used to what I can and can't do. Also very different to the first few months where I hadn't a clue, everythng was uncertain and unpredictable.

    With my background I try to stabilise things first, then "experiment". Change one thing at a time so I can see cause and effect. Not that easy of course when pmr effects everything I do.

    • Posted

      Hi

      Many thanks for you're reply,

      This is a nasty illness, but I keep telling myself there are plenty of people worse off.

      However, when I have felt like I have today, feel pretty wretched.

      Anyway I don't know if it's not being able to do what I used to, or the uncertainty most days of what I will be able to do.

      Don't know which is worse, just hate it.

      Take care

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    I would say to go back to the level of mg you were on before you became symptomatic.  Once you have stabilized,  stay on that dosage another couple of weeks and then try tapering by 1/2 mg instead of 1 mg for a couple of weeks and see how you feel.  Just my humble opinion.
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    Have you any signs of an infection? Some other problem?

    But I'd say it was a delayed reaction to far too much gardening for your own good! And really, to have got from 15mg to 8mg since may is pretty good - many of us would take that and run. You don't say how long it is since you reduced to 8mg, I'm assuming you are reducing 1mg at a time. It may simply be that 9mg was "your" dose and 8mg is slightly too low and it has taken time for the inflammation to build up again and now you are in a flare, possibly exaccerbated by that gardening.

    Look at the Dead Slow and Nearly Stop approach - however slowly you reduce you won't get below the "right" dose for your disease activity at the present time but many have got lower than before using it. It is in the replies part of this thread

    https://patient.info/forums/discuss/pmr-gca-website-addresses-and-resources-35316

    But you may find some interesting reading in the other links.

    • Posted

      Hi Eileen,

      Thank you for you're reply.

      It has been hard to keep to the reduction which is 1 mg per 6 weeks,

      I have been on 8mg for two weeks, up until gardening I was tired but nothing like this pain.

      I will look at the link and see how I am tomorrow.

      Take care

    • Posted

      If it is a flare because the dose is now slightly too low then it WILL take time for it to resurface - until the inflammation has built up far enough to cuse symptoms again. If you have had problems before - the chances are you are at your limit.
  • Posted

    Earlier today I posted I took Hydroxyurea to help me get off of prednisone but that

    was the wrong medication, what I meant to say I took Hydroxychloroquine.  The Hydroxyurea is for something else.  To get off of prednisone it took over a year.  After I god down to 15 mg from 40 I dropped 1 mg/month. Sorry for the confusion.

    Keith

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    In case my experience is useful to you because although your reduction seems fast to some on this forum, it's pretty close to what I managed: I was at 15 for about 5 weeks then on doctor's orders started reducing by 1 mg per week until at 9 mg I felt some return of symptoms.  At that point I went online, found this forum and information including what my doctor had neglected to tell me, prednisone doesn't cure anything, only controls the symptoms.  I went back to 10 mg for a couple or three weeks then started the dead slow nearly stop tapering plan.   The tipping point for me where I had to slow down was apparently 9 mg; with you it seems to have been 8 mg.  I was really lucky and caught the flare before it got out of hand.  It took me from June 2015 to December to get from 15 to 8.  Since then I've reduced to 3 mg.  The main two things I've had to do, and I'm lucky that I can, is make sure I get enough rest, and actively avoid things which stress me.  Other than that it's just the usual - be careful of diet, supplements, exercise, use whatever alternative treatments also help you, that kind of thing.  Important thing is to keep the symptoms at bay, whatever works, and if it's a temporary increase in dosage, so be it.  cool

    https://patient.info/forums/discuss/reducing-pred-dead-slow-and-nearly-stop-method-531439  ;

    • Posted

      Hi,

      Thanks for you're reply.

      I have just typed a mammoth response and lost it, technology Grrr.

      Anyway, I am sure you are right 're 9mg, just didn't want to go back up to feel like this again on reducing.

      I have always aimed for zero steroids, but I realise now this might not be the case.

      I am going to look at the ds reducing, not a lot of patience by nature, so this is driving me nuts.

      Takecare

    • Posted

      Julia, yes, it takes time to accept.  I believe PMR was sent to teach me patience!  And I think we've all lost posts to technology here, usually the long replies!rolleyes

    • Posted

      Hi Julia, I made the mistake of trying to get off the prednisilone quickly, it was my enemy, it made me tired and "fat" and miserable I hated it. I joined this forum and I believe it was Eileen ? who  said make prednisilone your "friend" and stop rushing to get to that lower dose. I have learned that lesson and I am on 3mg and doing the ds method.

      I've lost some of the weight but still have a way to go.

      Good luck

      Mary

    • Posted

      Hi,

      Many thanks for you're reply,

      I suppose it's not a race to be steroid free, just a goal I was hoping to achieve sooner rather than later.

      I feel fat and frumpy, used to be in the fashion trade, tall and slim, just got shorter and wider and definately slower.

      I must stop moaning,

      Takecare

    • Posted

      Julia I know how you feel. If you have taken pride in your appearance and kept weight under control then Pred knocks you for 6. Mface and now I feel fat and frumpy. Eating less than I used tobut still look like a blip and clothes that fitted before do not fit now. I look  the tent section now, and like you would like o be off Pred sooner rather than later. But it will be a test of patience and perserverance.

      Goof luck 

    • Posted

      You have learned the first important lesson: you are so right, it isn't a race and by going slowly you may well get to the end faster than someone who races and flares and has to increase the dose and gets into a yoyo situation.

      And if you don't learn anything else - you will learn and practise patience!

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