I was very happy to find that common table salt in a war...

Did you used Pemethrin before this procedure? Or you just used it once after two years and it worked for you?

I do think that you have scabies. I'm just trying to figure out why they can't diagnose it. I think you should try the procedure that @fellowsufferer recently commented. I did something similar so that may be what may have ultimately worked for us. After a shower after the first treatment I put a mix lotion as well. I did that every single day. I showered every single day and reapplied everywhere there is skin. I then used the second treatment and then after washing it off used the lotion mix again everyday. I think it's a preventive measure and natural insecticide using a mix on the days that you don't treat to assure your overall protection from mites in general. That is probably why we both healed. I would advise taking a spray of half (preferably hot) water and half Tea Tree oil or Eucalyptus oil or Hydrogen Peroxide. You can spray this on anywhere that you need to sit or hang around and on yourself over clothes. I know that after my time with them I am still making the mixes whether its lotion or water in a spray bottle. Once I step outside my home I have to leave my shoes outside my room some feet away and try to avoid them for however long that I can, I also spray them and my socks. I also try to shower everytime I arrive to my home when I've been out in public. Scabies is something that is serious that only if you have experienced it, you will never forget it and will always worry of how they are able to affect. I think you should see if you can give the treatment two more tries, if you can, while doing what fellow sufferer mentioned. It's an extra layer of precaution throughout the procedure and what may lead you to full healing. I did a very similar thing and still do once I sense a new persistent itch (after returning to my home from being outside) and within 15 minutes it will go away. These are the ingredients in case you are interested (for the lotion/ cream mix): Vitamin E Creme, Tea Tree Oil, Eucalyptus Oil, Clove Oil, and Lemongrass Oil, sometime White Vinegar and Aloe Vera for relief but not necessary, I used Coconut oil instead of Olive oil, but O heard that Olive Oil is great at irritating and drowning them. (In the U.S. gov they have done clinical tries that show that Palmrosa Oil and Clove Oil are the top two best Oils for killing scabies on the skins surface within 4 hours. Tea Tree, Eucalyptus, and Lavender were said to follow third to fifth in best natural insecticides). I didn't use Palmrosa Oil, but it is one of the quickest and most effective of the oils. This daily approach as well with taking precuaution like spraying and wiping any desk or chair you sit at (you can always do it sneakily in case you are embarrassed from your peers asking why, or just say it's a cleaning wipe because you hate germs and have allergies) and removing your clothing garments and shoes and showering as soon as you get home, including putting on the DIY mix treatment once showered and leaving it on both at home and while out in public, sounds like the should be a good next call, since I think that may have been a good indicator aa to why @fellowsufferrer and I healed. She after her long bad and myself right away.

So, I think bleach should be a last option to avoid effects. However, if you decide to use bleach, theres research that says it may not be too terrible if you delute it heavily. Bleach can have adverse effects on your respiratory health like your lungs and immune system and body tissue. So if you do use it just be careful and stay by an open window or door. ☹

Also, a reason why you may not show visual, physical symptoms is because the visual, physical symptoms show up due the the body having a natural allergic reaction to the mites. Many people don't get the physical, visual symptoms. As well having a more sensitive, compromised immune systems has to do with it too. It isn't an indicator of whether you have them or not. Some people just show earlier or in general because of sensitivity and highly prone to allergies.

I am also concerned about your cortisone cream use. Did you get told to use the cream at the beginning and for how long did you use it? Are you using it now? Cortisone which is Hydrocortisone should not be used when you have scabies under any means. Something my doctor reiterated to me and WebMD, an American medical website, also has discussed. Here is a quote below:

"hydrocortisone (cortisone) can change the appearance of the scabies rash, making the condition harder to diagnose. It's best to use this cream only after your doctor has confirmed the diagnosis." Hydrocortisone makes it very hard to diagnose scabies, it reduces or represses the body's allergic reaction to scabies but does not do anything to kill them.

So I also had a similar experience as you that I find I should share to show you that Permethrin also didn't work for me and then it did when I took a good protocol.

So at first I also used the permethrin 5% on the area that I had the scabies repeatedly 7 times each day after day. I wasn't getting relief or a cure those first 7 days. But I was spotting on the areas I felt them, I wasn't doing the whole body treatment. This is what I had been doing then, when it wasn't working: 1st.) I was only treating the area that itched and where I saw symptoms, not the whole body treatment (which we know is important, so I was not treating the right way), 2nd.) I had cleaned my whole room, even went to the extent of spraying and cleaning the ceiling ( I still wasn't curing, and it had began spreading to my legs and feet in huge numbers by about the 5th or 6th day, 3rd.) I was using the Hydrocortisone cream at the time every single day on the spotted areas alongside the Permethrin 5% Ointment simultaneously every day. That is what people think they should do to relieve the pain, but they shouldn't. I learned that it shouldn't be done from my Doctor and from own experience to know that it true and best to avoid Hydrocorticsone. But I had not yet visited my Doctor by then. I only had the Permethrin 5% Ointment because of another non-scabies incident months before. I had saved the ointment in case of emergencies. I worked in a healthcare setting where we would visit the patients home to care for them in home because they are elderly and/ or disabled. One of the patients had bed bugs on her couch. The couch apparently was very old. I got bitten and had Permethrin 5% prescribed. I only needed a little bit to heal and just saved the bottle. Sadly, I decided to stop working with the particalar patient because of her family's negligence in throwing out an ancient dirty couch. I did not know it was dirty until I started getting allergies and itchy, and one had already bit me by then. Well that was over with and that's just the back story for why I already had Permethrin 5% and was mistakenly using Hydrocortisone with it when I shouldn't have been. I eventually stopped using it under Dr.'s orders.

Treating appropriately with the Permerthrin 5% day 1, Home-made Insecticide cream after daily shower, and treatment of Permethrin 5% after 14 days and cream again every day after daily shower, and Some Permethrin 5% only on spotting on the areas I had fully recovered. I still did the cream mix everyday for the following month and that was it. The itching stopped after the first 3 weeks since the 1st day of treatment, but I did the DIY lotion-cream mix for a month after the treatment was completed. I think that DIY lotion/cream must have played a huge role. I've thankfully have been okay since. I still take all preventive measures however as we all really should to stay safe from these evil species!

So the point is to not use hydrocortisone during scabies specially during treatment, second use the Do-It-Yourself treatment that @Fellowsuffere suggested or the one that I did (but both should work the same in effectiveness) for alleviation or for full healing alongside the treatment process, and keep everything clean, which I believe you already do, including the places that you go to with at DIY insecticide spray and hand wipes to evenly cover the area, to wear covered clothes and shoes, to shower as soon a you get home, and to leave your shoes in a bag or away from your room and worn clothes in a bag or closed washing bin.

So I have done some research to help. First to revisit my research, I was mistaken about the 18 days I had said formerly, I actually did 14 days between treatment. Just to correct my own error to avoid misinformation. I looked at clinical studies done by the U.S. gov. I made a little diagram below for growth stages of these scabie mites to better understand how to get to them.

For every scabies egg it takes 4 days for it to hatch after that it takes anywhere from 7 to 14 days for it to become an adult and be able to produce eggs of it's own. All it needs is to be mated 1 time by a male and it will be able to produce eggs daily, endlessly until its death. It will die anywhere within 1 month to 2 months into it's adulthood (so after it became an adult it lives for 1 to 2 months after). Each egg that it has laid has a 10% survival rate.

So the point is that you want to avoid them from becoming adults, to avoid their repopulation. That means being sure of treating before the 7 days when they could potentially have become adults. Or better yet you can treat 4 days (Day 5) after the first medical ointement treatment such as Permethrin 5% (Day 1). That would give any remaining eggs the full time to hatch out of their shells into mites. Then you do the 2nd medical ointment treatment at that point ( End of Day 5 or start of Day 6). You would then kill the rest of the mites that remained due to needing to hatch (if the medical ointment works). Doing it within this time span gets them when they are recently hatched and avoids keeping them alive to reach adulthood which according to some research sites say that it can be as early as 7 days for them. So the second treatment would be best done on Day 6 to make sure that they all hatched and that they have not yet grown into adulthood. We want to avoid their growth into adulthood so that this new adult mite does not have the chance to be activated by the male mite to be able to reproduce. So the misconception is 10 days when in fact on average it takes ten days for them to grown into adults. But why wait for that? The whole point of waiting is to wait until they hatch. It's silly to wait until they become adults. The point is to wait until they hatch and to act before they become adults. That would result that Day 6 after treatment on Day 1 would be the safest day to treat again for a second treatment. One of the reasons why some of us have found success with getting rid of these mites is because, through reasearch I have found that, once they are born the larva and nympths which are the growth stages before adulthood, move out of the burrows and go to and stay on the surface level of the skin. The males as well hang around on top of the skin. According to some sites this is how they work, but I don't know the validity and it's worth double-checking. That sit said that only the women who are laying eggs burrow to lay eggs. If the statement is true, it can be concluded that a natural treatment like the one that @fellowsufferrer mentioned alongside a medical treatment can lead to killing these guys morw effectively if they come around to the top layer of the skin and also prevent yourself from any others entering. So it is worth taking it up.

Here's the research:

Scabies lay about 3 eggs per day. Those eggs hatch 3 to 4 days after being laid. It takes 7 days to 14 days days after that for them to become adults and start hatching themselves.

So here's the little diagram for it to make a bit more sense.

First Set of Layed Eggs: Day 1 - ( 3 Eggs Total)

First Set of Hatched Eggs: Day 3 - ( 3 Eggs Total)

Egg Growth Into Adults: Day 7 to 14 - ( 3 Eggs Total)

On a less positive note, you may be resistant to Permethrin. But there are other medical options that I have found: Topical treatments include 1% lindane (gamma benzene hexachloride) lotion, 6% precipitated sulfur in petrolatum, crotamiton, malathion, allethrin spray, and benzyl benzoate, and Pyrethrins or Pyretheroids (just research the safe dosage of the Pyrethrins on your skin and don't take them by mouth, most supposedly don't harm the skin too much or absorb through it too much to reach the internal parts of the body, but do research to be sure before using any of these things, just some information I've come across- the site is named Natural Pesticide Information Center). If you still stick with Permethrin, there is the choice of Lice treatment that is safe on the skin that you can use between 5% treatments or after the treatments to feel safe whenever you get an itch or are concerned. I would say to give Permethrin 5% another chance for 2 treatments or 3 and use the lotion or liquid mix that we suggested daily for full prevention. The initial corticosone you were given may be the reason for the battle that you have today for diagnosing them. Try these procedures before trying bleach. Bleach is dangerous, but if you do you have to delute heavily to avoid the adverse effects. You only need to get to then not your internal anatomy so do delute and stay near an open window for breathing.

Here is a website where the research references in the web +>< site provide a lot of information on alternative medications and healing measure you can take. Definitely check it out, just make sure to look at the date on the research articles cited. Reasearch Gate dot Net (the title is-) Life Cycle Of Scabies.

If you buy the tea tree oil from Amazon, just tell me the brand name. Was it something special ?

it wasn't ant special brand, i think i bought it at Walmart. Just make sure you read the label, because some tea tree oil products just contain tea tree oil, but its not the main ingredient (which can make it less effective). Amazon is probably a better place to know what you're getting and find what you need.

Can you give us an update? IT's been 2 years. IS there a particular kind of salt to use? There is canning salt and there is iodized salt. Is one more powerful over the other?

Ohmy God. My skin is absolutely like yours. Today I went to another dermothologist and she told me that it is Folicolitus ! I am totally relieved now. Actually I started to use Olive + Clove + Tea tree and these appeared started to appear on my skin. I think My body I trying to fight them back and thats why I have them this way. The oil are really working in a way that the biting and crawling sensation has been reduced drastically since I am using the oils. Thanks again for sharing this pictures again. What I am going to do is to do salt Bath and after that I am going to apply the oils on my skin!

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