Is it possible to change from a 'destructive' to a 'social' drinker

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I've a long standing issue with my alcohol consumption when I go out drinking and it has been the cause of most of the major problems I've experienced in my adult life (I am 30).

At the moment I am not drinking and I haven't in 30 days. Before that it was 90 days and I also did a 90 day stint earlier in the year. So basically in 2015 I have been officially ‘off the drink’ for 7 months.

The reason for this is that I have promised my wife and mother of my kids that I will not drink again. It's a promise I've made many times. I really struggle to accept I can no longer drink but at the same time my family is the most important thing in my life and are more important than drinking. I am living a constant struggle with this conundrum. Am I right to just give up drink altogether and hope the struggle will get easier? Do I go on as I have the last 5 years in that I try to stop, which I do successfully for a while but slowly but surely I weasel my way back onto it until eventually I have a major blow out on it? Or is there another way and maybe I could actually become a social drinker for the first time in my life?

Without drink I am rather shy in big groups and I go into myself a lot. So at social events when not drinking I become very paronoid and get down on myself that I am not in the clique. So I’d love to be able to social drink but it has never been that simple for me.

I read a post about potential medical support to manage alcohol consumption and I’d love to hear more about that if anyone has details

Here’s my story:

The basic summary is I am not a day to day drinker. I am a busy man with work and family life so I usually just drank beers on weekends and even this is fine when I am drinking at home or at a party. The big issue is if I go out on a night out with my mates or with my wife. If I got out on my own without my wife, it’s possible I won’t come home until really late because I am off drinking somewhere, when I come home it leads to arguments. Or worse I have also often gotten into trouble with people and even with the police for being too drunk and fighting. If I go out with my wife we often come home having massive arguments and I can be mentally abusive. She summarizes that she can count on two hands the amount of good nights we’ve had out together when I am drinking in the last 6 years. She’s probably right too!

Here’s the rest of my story for anyone interested:

As said I am 30.  I’ve been drinking regularly for about 16 years. At no stage was I ever completely dependent on alcohol in the sense that I went to school and then into the workforce where I work Monday – Friday without needing a drink. There was about a 24 month period when a 5 year relationship with my ex-partner came to end and then meeting my wife and the birth of our first child when my drinking was an even bigger problem and it was rolling into the Monday as well and affecting my work. But after my child was born I curbed it back a bit (so that was about 5 years ago now). Cocaine was also part of my weekends at this point which didn’t help with my drinking issues but that was always just an add on and I haven’t taking drugs in years and have no desire to.

Since then I have generally just been a sit at home drinker. This drinking is not really a problem or too excessive. I’d have 5-10 beers at home on a Friday and Saturday night and be fine for doing things the next day and work the following week.

But the issue is really when I go out on the town drinking. If I go to the pub to watch a football match and it’s just ‘a few pints’ then I am usually fine to do this. But when it’s a proper night out on the town, especially when my guard is down and I feel comfortable drinking again because I haven’t gotten into trouble in recent times then that is when there is a massive potential that I go overboard, blackout and cause some level of destruction, for example, the big two this year:

In march I was in the city with friends and I attacked someone which resulted in myself

A) Being arrested and charged with assault (where I had to pay a fine to avoid conviction) and

B) During the struggle with police I fractured my shoulder which is still not fully healed.

In September this year I was out with my wife and we got into a big argument because I was lashing back drink and dancing with a female work colleague and then when we got home I smashed up her smartphone and jumped down the stairs.

The two examples above I don’t remember in any detail as I had blacked out so I am only going on what I have pieced back together.

So as you can see I am a destructive drinker. I don’t really remember me ever being a social drinker. I mentioned above that drinking at home is usually fine but its fine because I am able to control myself a lot better and ‘drink with the brakes on’. I could just as easily say ‘feck it’ and drink myself into oblivion, there is a voice inside me that would love nothing more than to do that every day it seems.

From reading this you might say “just stay off the drink” and this is what I am trying to do but it’s really difficult. I tried AA and went about twice a week after the September incident, but I struggle with the higher power end of things and it didn’t do me much help in the end because I went out at the end of november with work colleagues and had 6 pints the same day I went to a meeting. Nothing bad happened that night and it was a really good night and it would be ideal to be able to drink like this all the time, but I really put the brakes on that night because I had told my wife I wouldn’t drink at all so I was very conscious of my drinking and had the breaks on and did things like skip rounds and alternative with soft drinks. I have never found the discipline to drink with the brakes on all the time, there is always the potential after I get comfortable with my drinking again that I will go overboard eventually and there is no two ways about it will happen again if I start the same cycle again.  

In addition, I think the timeframe between me going back on the drink to having a big blow out is getting shorter. So either the ‘illness is progressing’ or maybe because I have deprived myself for long periods of time that when I am giving the pass to drink again I abuse this pass quicker and quicker each time.

I actually don’t mind that my drinking has been cut way back this year. I’ve lost about 6kg without doing any working out or change in eating habbits so there are health benefits! But I’d love to have the option of being able to have a few drinks from time to time, for example, at social events.

I read a post about potential medical support, would anyone know by the sounds of my story if I would be a candidate for it?

 

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    @Michael, I wouldn't see this as a cry for help or last resort, it's just i found the forum while searching for 'not dependant on drink but go overboard when i do". i thought if I give my story then I might get some advice, which I have.

    I think we have agreed that things are not 'too bad' for me and i know things could be a lot worse. That was the message I received from AA, that I was in the right place and I am making the right decision and it would only get worse if i stayed drinking as it's a progressive illness. It was all sound advise but I couldn't really get with the program because I have an issue handing myself over to a higher power. Maybe that is eventually the solution to my problem but right now it doesn't feel like it. So now I am on here and I found out that actually there might be a way to even be able to drink but medical support to drink less. This is not something I had even considered since i just thought i could only rely on will power which has failed me time and time again.

     

    • Posted

      My advice to you is Grow Up!! You have a family, responsibility, You are not a LAD anymore. If you can't handle drink and it makes you a Bad Person, GIVE IT UP!! before you lose EVERYTHING!!
    • Posted

      Michael. Alcohol dependence is a physical illness which is not the fault of the person who gets out of control. Unfortunately, society and even health professionals have this view that it is simply a case of giving up. Cowandog is young, he is drinking excessively. People in that situation find that, due to increased tolerance of alcohol, their body demands more and more. This often results in binge drinkers becoming daily drinkers. It is better if he finds a solution now than waiting for it to fit into the category that some of you consider to be a REAL alcohol problem.

      Whether it is binge drinking, constant drinking, prison or homelessness due to drinking, it is the same disorder (on different levels) and the treatment method that works regardless of the level of problem is The Sinclair Method.

      I feel that Cowandog has been unfairly attacked here by people saying 'your problem is not as bad as mine.' Surely we all hope that anybody with any sort of alcohol issue will do what they can to seek advice and resolve it. You wouldn't tell a person with the early stages of cancer that their problem is nothing because they are not yet in a hospice.

    • Posted

      I want to say..this is a little HARSH!  If someone responded to me that way I would GO DRINK....Just sayin.....Its hard for addictive personality to GROW UP....that is one of our biggest problems.  Yea, we all should when we have children..but it doesn't really work just that way. 

      ​If you can't handle a drink your a BAD person?  I am not a bad person and I can't handle a drink.  You can obviously post what you want...but for me...I only like to post if I can be more helpful than harmful. sad

    • Posted

      Ahhh Missy, read back, don't compare, you are not the same.
    • Posted

      Again, with respect Paul,

      cowandog, is NOT drinking excessively, apart from binge drinking at weekends, which seems to be the norm in Northern Europe.

       

    • Posted

      Binge drinking IS a form of alcohol abuse, one that is very dangerous because of the risk of poisioning and/or accidents.  Sadly, we have a problem across Europe with it, yes.

      Once a pattern of behaviour is established, including binge drinking, then that will lead to problems ceasing the behaviour, and of course the amount of alcohol drunk in binge drinking sessions can be as much as someone who drinks everyday.

      In my book, either is a problem if the person engaging in the behaviour says it is.  If they ask for help or information, then I will not judge them (we are all different) but I will try and help them.

      You may be right Michael, but what if you aren't?

      If you are right, we have wasted some time and some effort answering a 'ghost' post.  No big deal, no harm done.

      If we are right, you are risking alienating not only cowandog, but anyone else lurking on this forum and trying to pluck up the courage to ask for help, fearing a response that ends up looking like a bunch of drunks arguing with each other....

       

    • Posted

      I think it is, because Alcohol misuse is due to a physical illness NOT a behaviour problem.
    • Posted

      It may be the norm to drink excessively at weekends among large groups of younger people in Northern Europe. However, not among the majority of the population. It is also something which causes massive problems and Cowandog has recognised that this is the case for him after losing one relationship and with his current one at risk. I don't believe he is here to abuse the forum but to try and find a solution before he loses another.

      If people are quite happy drinking excesssively at weekends that really is up to them, as long as they are not causing other people a problem. If they are, if they are fighting, or wrecking their relationships because of their drinking, then this behaviour at a weekend is NOT the norm.

      The man who fractured my cheek and badly damaged the flesh on my ear when he attacked me through my car window, because I stopped to tell him to get up off the road when he was lying in the path of my wheels, drunk, is in court to tomorrow on a charge of GBH.

    • Posted

      Hi Paul,

      Your point is well made, I am sorry that you have been assaulted. I hope that you make a full recovery and that drunken idiot will be severely punished.

      I have never been a violent drunk, so I can't relate to these people.

    • Posted

      Yes, it happened in August and I am fully recovered smile I expect him to get community service and I have no problem with that as long as he does something about his drink problem to ensure it never happens again.
    • Posted

      I am glad to hear that! I can't understand why alcohol has a mellowing effect on most people and yet brings out a darker side in others.
    • Posted

      Hi Michael and Paul

      I too am interested to hear your thoughts on why alchohol makes some people sleepy and fall asleep, like me, and others, very aggressive.  Paul, you are the expert, can you explain this?

      Many thanks

      Lizzie

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      Hi Lizzie. This is my view but I'm probably wrong! I think alcohol affects people in different ways and tolerance is different in everyone too. I think people get aggressive when they become much heavier drinkers, further down the line in their drinking lives. I also think it's what you drink and how quickly you drink it. 

      My experience, for years it just used to make me fall asleep but in the last couple of years I've had aggressive episodes when I've been on a massive binge( never on the first day but usually after several days of continuous drinking wine and/or vodka. Especially vodka( the hard stuff). I've taken it out on my nearest and dearest, plus ambulance and police if involved.

      Warning this is what it can lead to. I'm the most sensitive, gentle, giving person full of empathy when I'm sober. In a blackout I change. Scarey. 

      Thats why I can not binge any more xx

    • Posted

      The reason for aggression when intoxicated with alcohol, Lizzie, is that alcohol reduces the ability to think straight. It affects the focus of attention, meaning that a person may see something and ONLY that, when drunk. For example, a person may knock into them in a crowded bar, because they have been knocked by another person who was moving out of the way of somebody else. Rather than seeing that the person who knocked them was unable to have avoided that, the drunk person is likely ONLY to see that the one person has done something they didn't like. It can then be taken personally and verbal aggression can result.

      Alcohol also affects a person's ability to consider the consequences of their reaction. They simply react without thinking with no regard for what issues that reaction may cause.

      I am afraid that I cannot tell you why only some people react this way to alcohol. However, those that binge drink frequently are more likely to have aggressive tendencies when drunk.

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