Is there a worst case scenario??

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so many create these "anxiety rules" to protect themselves against their definition of a worst case scenario. Im really curious to know how leading a self inflicted caged in life filled with panic attacks and fear is more acceptable. Maybe thats for the fear of getting help or medicines if you cant even function from the disorder.  Which happens to some people. 

is there a way maybe to help each other..what is the worst case scenario anyway?

at some point isnt this it!? Because at some level it isnt living at all. Its barely surviving so whats worse? What? Then living each moment in fear of the next? Waing for the pretend heart attack or brain tumor to engulf you? Fainting? You get up? Dieing..honestly are you even living? 

Im trying to really understand this. I have ailments so i differ i guess in some ways but i without doubt understand fear and anxiety and panic attacks. Im just very confused in what a person even feels is a worst case scenario that has formed a thick, horrid wall between stuck and moving forward to challange this all. The is a rotten disorder that flourishes in fear.

and i know its a disorder. Thats not the point. Maybe if people all write down their actual worst case scenario everyone can help them and each other to dismantle the thought.

You So to take one step forward.

Almost like forum cbt?

just help each other. So..what is the worst case scenario anyway? Cause i feel like living in fear of fears of fear is basically it.  So its only "up" from there.

 

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    I've been thinking about this lately too Lisa! Lately it seems like I'm LIVING my worst case scenario because being in a state of pure panic and anxiety all day long feels worse than any disease. But I have 2 main worst case scenarios that run my anxious mind. The first is being diagnosed with something (neurological or autoimmune) that cannot be cured and has debilitating symptoms that get worse over time. Hence my irrational fears of ALS, MS, Parkinson's, lupus, etc. The second is not being diagnosed with anything. Continuing to have all the symptoms I have now and then getting worse and worse with no doctor being able to help me. Part of me is starting to believe that the way I'm currently living is worse. My stress/panic/anxiety has probably caused the majority of my current physical symptoms and it's time to accept that. I've already made a promise to myself to not see another doctor (excluding my therapist and a psychiatrist) until December. If my symptoms persist till then I will try to find a cause but otherwise I'll try paying them no mind. We'll see how that goes

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      I read your post many times before I decided to respond smile

      You got it in one, Mandie, you are living your worst case scenario..

      There are illnesses out there, sadly, such as the one you fear. But it's no way to live, dear, scared that you might one day , be struck with a debilitating , incurable illness

      As for fearing not being diagnosed that was very telling and I honestly believe many AD sufferers nurse that notion

      Ad and it's symptoms ? Truly horrendous.

      Wouldn't it be wonderful were we diagnosed with something the doctors could treat with medication and send us on our way, happy in the knowledge that we will be "cured" shortly

      The frightening thing about AD is, it's not that easy. Much of the recovery is down to ourselves, our mind set and determination not to allow the imagination to rule us or divert us. Not to desperately google search in hope of answers that do not exist, but which instead feeds our worst fears

      Search and you will find, so to speak. Search google and you're sure to find something similiar to your own personal symptoms that will scare the hell out of you! Something that in reality has no bearing on that which you actually suffer from....Well, not you personally, but anyone googling I mean

      Acceptance is the key word. Accepting we have AD. Dealing with that and that alone. Not desperately seeking a quick fix

      There is a relief in taking control, Mandie, in taking steps to help ourselves. And I do so applaud you for making the decision not to see another GP for a while. Going to see him constantly smacks of fear and desperation and again indicates one vainly searching for a cure

      The cure lies within you. You can do this! Already your mind is realizing the fact that you are in an axiety/fear cycle. You can break that negative habit!

      I send hugs

      Hang in there, okay?

       

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      Coming from you, who has set me on the road to recovery, means everything!

      All the years, the meds, the stuggles, the GP's, could not manage that which you did so effortlessly and so kindly

      You helped me heal

      Thank you, Lisa, from the heart, thank you

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      I think you have turned a corner, Mandie, I truly do believe that.

      As I said, I read through your post several times

      I remember thinking, This girl has come to terms with it! Shes making a great effort here. Taking charge, taking control

      I have great faith in yousmile

      Now you have to have faith in yourself!

      Hugs, Helen

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      I really have! My outlook now is if something is medically wrong it can be fixed with medication and worrying about it will do nothing. More than likely it's my severe anxiety causing physical symptoms and so I am getting a prescription this week to deal with that and to go along with my daily meditation and excercise.

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    I have wondered, and doubtless this will cause offense where none is intended, if with some people it is a form of attention seeking.  Perhaps there is an illness that manifests all manner and sundry of symptoms due to attention seeking?

    One only has to look into Munchausens to realize forms of attention seeking, enjoyment of being centre stage in hospital surroundings, by medical professionals, exist

    I am not implying the attention seeking is deliberate but an illness in itself

    Like Tess I read time and time on the Forum posters who have had countless tests, every test imaginable, and still insist the doctors and specialists have "missed " something " or "got it wrong"

    So I ask, do they not believe their results or do they not want to believe? One would assume they would feel relief as opposed to disbelief

    I have Anxiety Disorder. I have struggled with Agoraphobia ingnited by traumatic events. But when first struck I, personally, was mightily relived to be reassured by the medical profession, that I was not suffering some horrible disease or that I might suddenly die. I had two small boys, an extended family I loved. I wanted to live for them, for me

    I have sympathy for AD sufferers. Been there. Done that. Still coping. On the Forum I have tried to help, support, sympathise with fellow sufferers.

    But;

    A pattern is emerging. Posters whose symptoms and self-diagnosis are same old, same old. Brain tumour. Cancer. Heart disease. Imminent death.

    This constant watching and listening to what they body is doing, how it is functioning? Beyond me. And such a waste of life and energy to focus upon what is not going on with them as opposed to what is

    Concentrating upon what is truly wrong is the key. How can we deal with, cope, make strides to heal, if constantly imagining worst case scenarios? If googling and frighteniing one's self?

    Many poor souls have to deal with worst case scenarios. They do so with dignity, with courage. In the face of this, let's all embrace the fact we are not one of them, that life is a gift, Lets not burden ourselves with fears about illnesses where they do not exist. Let's be grateful in other words and let's get on with facing what we do have and helping each other overcome it

    Hugs  Helen

     

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    My worst case scenario is giving into the weakness, and finally letting go of the rope. After 22 years of this, I'm simply tired.

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      That is how i feel too! Not the time frame but i concluded a while ago..this life with all this IS the worst scenario. It robs the life out of you. Thats what really happens too you wake one morning and say what the heck have i done and why am i living like this. The fear turns into anger or annoyance. And life returns with or without the symptoms and the adrenaline rushes. Still going to live. I love your answer.  I love what you wrote cause thats the point i was trying to make. 

      Theres nothing left to fear or to react too once you have sold off your life to the disorder. 

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      How true.

      And how sad.

      I really am sorry that so many people suffer with this terrible fear that they are about to drop dead, even if they are clearly NOT about to drop dead, according to the tests they have had at the hospital.

      But the reality is that they could be run over and killed on the way home from the hospital..............or (and here is a terrible worst-case scenario) somehow fall into the hands of a complete nut who rapes and murders them, then dismembers their body.

      I'm not going to apologise for that one, because it DOES happen.

      You know, I never go out alone when it's dark. About a year ago I came home via the train which stops fifty seconds' walk from my house. My husband offered to meet the train but I told him not to bother.

      How stupid I was.It's night-time and that station is deserted and has no staff on at all.............so I got up to the railway bridge and a man is lurking. He looks at me. I try to think quickly. What can I do? We are completely alone, this man and I, and it is dark. Okay, I can go UP the bridge, where there are shops and people.........or I can go DOWN the bridge, where there is nobody around - just a row of houses.

      Dear God, I should have gone UP.

      But I wanted to get home, so I went DOWN, which was a big mistake.

      As soon as I started to walk, he went down also. Then he stopped at the bottom of the bridge. He stared at me as I grabbed my phone and called my husband to come NOW and get me. I walk back up, to get away. The man walks down (I am turning round every second to see where he is and suddenly he has disappeared.)

      What? Where IS he?

      I walk cautiously back down again. I KNOW this man is a predator.

      I see him. He is hiding in the entrance to a small block of flats. He is still staring at me.

      WHERE is my husband?????

      I walk down again (stupid) and the man is waiting, waiting for me.

      I cross the road, keeping my eyes on him all the time. He starts to follow me. I grab my phone again as I have decided to call the police.

      I carry on walking, and set off in the opposite direction of my house, as it is lit there and I can see a young couple walking towards me.

      The man is now hiding at the corner of the road. He is still waiting for me. He sees me phoning the police and talking to the young couple. One is a tall, strong young man. The two of them offer at once to walk me to my front door. Thank God. The man realises. I look again and he has disappeared. I never see him again, ever.

      My husband suddenly appears and asks where the man is?

      Gone, I say, gone to seek prey elsewhere, for he is clever and he knows I have realised that he is a danger to me................and that I have called the police, who eventually come, and look everywhere for the man.

      They tell me that I am the third person in a week who has reported exactly the same thing. That two women have been attacked on the bridge.........I had been right......the description fits.

      I get back home and cry and cry. I escaped!

      THAT is always MY fear. Lone women in darl places are NOT safe.

      I am not making this up. Lord, I've already been mugged once on a dark road. My daughter has been mugged at knife-point and been forced to hand over her money, bank cards and phone. Luckily, she is with a male cousin, who also loses his money, cards and phone.

      My pregnant friend, out with her husband, is knocked over and kicked by a madman who runs off laughing and nobody catches him

      I could go on, and you will all think that I spend my whole life encountering dangerous men.

      Actually, I don't. But I fear them a good deal more than any illness. I am a nurse. I understand illness.

      I do not understand why a few men are dangerous to unknown women, but they are. Actually, I do understand, very well, for I have studied the subject extensively.

      Knowing WHAT turns some people into dangerous individuals doesn't stop them being dangerous!

      Have I strayed from the subject? Well, maybe.

      But my fear isn't irrational. I do believe that there is a lot of irraltionality on the Anxiety Forum.

      I suppose that is my point.

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      That is why it is even more important to delve deeper. Below the surface. This is why more research and developement need to to be done. And people need to be made aware of all anxiety disorder and the torture that accompanies them. If it frustrates or angers a person due to lack of compassion or not being able to relate that wont heal anyone. That leaves the person or persons alone to struggle and be extremly miserable. Maybe this is how the buisnessman or the world feel running the health sysytem. Maybe they feel its so irrational that who cares and dont help them.  I dont know. It is obviously a mental disorder. Really i think ocd just manifested in health. But they need the world to care to help them. 

      i dont  have "health anxiety". But theres many anxiety disorders that exist. Thats the label they gave that one. I came in thru ptsd, panic disorder..etc..But as someone once said on here we are all in the same boat just rowing with different oars. 

      Irrational is relative. Until the day comes that all these mental..emotional/behavioral issues are figured out and what part of the brain is effected by whatever to cause this i will never judge. syphiliss filled institutions a long time ago. Just filled them and people note as crazy. Written off and acted irrational. Same with mad hatters disease. It was the mercury levels causing issues. Then a scientist found it and found a cure. So theres that one. Same went down with ulcers that they werent taken seriously...h pylori. .its only until science makes it "rea" Until science figures it out and its fixable.The brain is an organ just like the rest of the body. 

      the only thing we have here is to try and help each other. With whatever label they have been given. There are a couple or a few that are newbies, in terrible denial of what is happening inside them so thru the self preservatiin instinct and their own knowledge bank or lack of..they seek a physciall reason for their symptoms even if the tests are clear.  Many many have to go thru some stages and come out of denial. I have been on here over two years and watched the patterns play out. It can get frustrating but remember it s a forum to seek out help or vent and maybe be awoken by it.

      There will always be the exceptions. I have noticed that too. But. Deep down i feel theres a reason for that too. I dont know it, but it exists.

       

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      Which brings me right back to attention seeking as an illness.

      Attention Seeking sounds selfish and childish, like a child stamping its foot during a tantrum. But I personally believe it stems from some deep seated fear and  feeling of helplessness. It's a desperate cry for help

      In other words a true illness

      There has to be some reason certain people are thrown into constant fear and panic by their disbelief of tests results

      I am in no way making light of this by the way. Most of us would feel a measure of relief. That is a normal reaction. So it's horribly sad that there are those who cannot find that same measure of comfort

      And as I stated in my earlier post, they cannot help themselves nor can we help them until they accept the true nature of AD...but how can they accept if, if indeed Attention Seeking is a disorder in itself?

      And I believe it is.

      But where do we go from here? How do we, how can we, help those stuck in that rut of disbelief?

      We all want to help

      We all need to understand

      Yet we don't know how

      I think there should be research done into this dilemna. If the medical profession cannot reassure those who have had rigorous testing and are still not convinced, then something needs to be done.

      But I may be way off base

      It is, after all, only my opinion and mine alone

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      Im afraid of predators too! My dad always told me to be careful when you become friendly with men and BOYS. Im not sure if its common for 18 year olds to be raping little girls... But my parents would say how grown men who are in their 30, 40, and 50s LOVE teenage girls. Now im not trying to make a generalization here.. Because its quite obvious that not every single male on this earth is like that. Over the summer, when i was working as a lifegaurd i was told by a man once that i looked like i was twelve. Then when i was in seventh grade people would think that i was in COLLEGE. Right now, Im a seventeen year old girl who has long light brown hair and brown eyes who is really skinny with a little bit of bust on the top.

      See, in our generation we have whats called instagram, twitter, snapchat.. And facebook. Its so easy for a predator to access a teenager whether its a girl or a boy. Predators can also BE WOMEN!! Im afraid a lot of people tend to forget that. But anyway.. On instagram there is this feature called "direct message" or dm. This is when a person has the ability to send you private messages that you and the sender could see. I sometimes get messages from teenage boys that follow me saying things like "hola linda!" "Hey gorgeous" " Can i get your number?" "You're a cutie! Hmu sometime". Unless im friends with the person.. Or i just know them.. I just ignore them.. And a lot of these dms come from boys i have met or seen before. Then there was one from the grown man who looked 54 and said something like " hi how are you? You're so beautiful and your smile makes you look like a princess" that was a big red flag. I immediately blocked him. And he left me alone ever since.

      Then over the summer i met this guy.. Who was 18 He was turning 19 since his birthday was in the summer. And i was 16 at the time. My birthday passed already now im 17. Anyway, i met him through work.. And he was so sweet and a bit shy. He always seemed so genuine too.. And when he smiled thats when i developed some sort of crush on him 🙃. Later on when we started to get closer.. He started complementing me on my PHYSICAL features.. Saying things you have a nice body and a nice BUTT. Now in the back of my mind.. I was like "wait, this might be a sign that he could be an f boy, i better take some precaution or something " but ofc i mostly didnt and was so effing gullible to believe that he would change and everything. Then it got to the point where he began to pressure me into sending him a "dirty" video of myself and i kept telling him no because im just not one of those people. He came up with so many excuses like "people do this everyday" " i wont send it to anyone i promise" "Its not going to get anywhere i swear just send a video" . Ok.

      Number 1, i grew up with a technician. My dad has a masters degree in computer engineering. ANYTHING COULD GET ANYWHERE ON THE INTERNET!! I dont care if its encrypted or its private. Once you send something risky its on the internet!. Im not dumb enough to put myself on the line just so you can see me naked.. I dont care if you tell me it wont get anywhere.. I dont care if you swear.. And Number 2 what would happen if you get mad at me for some reason? Then what? You'll send the video out to everyone to embarass me. No time for that drama. 🙃 I already have my anxiety to worry about. I told my friend about him and she said to just end everything. Dont text him.. Dont call, him unfollow him whatever you gotta do. So i did. I've learned from that experience that when you meet someone.. You have to see their true colors. You cant go by their surface. My dad always told me that when you meet people.. You need to see how they handle things when they're stressed.. Or when they really demand something. If they are very aggressive.. That relationship could be an abusive one.. But if they handle it peacefully.. Then that relationship could turn out great. In the beginning of it all.. He acted so kind, sweet and shy... But then all of a sudden he started to get aggressive with me and wanted to send him a video of myself doing a strip tease. He even wanted to have sex with me!! I told him multiple times that i dont want to send a video and that im not ready for sex yet. Surprisingly, he didnt demand sex from me to much after i told him no. But he just wouldnt stop mentioning the freaking video. When i never answered his text asking me for a vid he cursed me out and stuff. Finally, it got to the point where i got so angry that i just checked him over text and and threw the nastiest insult to him that i cant mention on here. He stopped texting me after that. And unfollowed me on the grams. And i was happy about it because that way i didnt have to deal with him anymore.

      I hate to sound conceited.. Because in reality im really not.. But people have always told me that i was a pretty girl. Sometimes when you're a pretty girl its hard because people like boys never take you seriously. In school its like the big boobs and the nice butts are like a distraction to them. People see you as just a pretty girl with a nice butt or a nice rack. Maybe even nice hair! They dont see what you want them to see. Like you're personality.. Your likes your dislikes. Its like your just a pretty flower on the wall that people like to look at.. Maybe even grab.. And then they throw it away once they had it for too long. But.. I want someone to make me feel like i have more to offer than just my looks. I feel like this guy saw me as just another hot girl. Who he could mess around with and then move on. I dont want someone to make me feel like just another pretty girl. I want someone who makes me feel like i could be myself around them. Talk about our likes and our dislikes. Become my best friend! Someone to travel and have fun with! But unfortunately, alot of guys are just very shallow these days. So i try to be as independent as possible.

      I dont have a lot of friends either. My best friend has been acting weird lately too. She knows about the whole health anxiety. So im just going to leave her alone for a while. Im not a popular girl who gets attention from like all the guys. And i go to an all girls school. I was also bullied in middle school because of my eyebrow. I have a scar on the left one. To this day i still have problems.. But i guess no one is perfect right?

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      That was very interesting, Cristina.

      You are actually pretty much as I imagined you, physically.

      But you have a LOT of good sense. You know, honey, at your age, you will find it difficult to find a boy who will see your intelligence and other positive qualities. Boys mature a lot more slowly than girls at this age. They are pretty much obsessed with sex. They talk about it to one another  and share what they did with girls.

      And as for the man old enough to be your father -congratulations Cristina (I am really serious here) because this kind of person on instagram are highly dangerous. This is the sort of man who will eventually be caught by the police with sickening pornographic images of women and (OH GOD) children on their PCs. You did the right thing to block that bad dude right away. Your dad has given you such great advice! I am happy that you have the intuition already to avoid what could turn out to be a terribly dangerous situation for you.

      My friend's daughter was at THE most exclusive girls' school. At age eleven, she won a scholarship to go there!

      A few months after she started, a shocking letter was sent to all parents

      It was a boarding school. A girl had been 'groomed' by someone who turned out to be a 60 year old man masquerading as a teenage boy. He persuaded her to meet him in the local town. She had just about enough sense to take two friends with her for safety.

      They found the 'teenage boy' waiting in a coffee shop. Oh it was awful. They RAN all the way back to the school, terrified, and told one of their teachers.

      The girl who had done this was expelled. But this is not an isolated incident. And she was only eleven years old. It made me feel sick.

      So I have a lot of respect for you, Cristina. it doesn't sound like you'd be the kind of girl who would help Ted Bundy if he came up to you his arm in a cast and asked you to help him put things in the trunk of his car. Your antennae would be up, unlike the unfortunate girls who DID help him, only to be abducted and murdered. You are young and may not have heard od Bundy. The State of Florida executed him bedore you were born.

      But the world spews out new Ted Bundys all the time.

      It doesn't sound like you'll get yourself into a dangerous situation Which brings me to the question - how can such an intelligent, bright, intuitive young woman like you  allow your mind to dwell on LQTS? And, I have to ask this, if you finally figure that you REALLY don't have it, will you move on to another unreal health disorder? Because I have noted a pattern on the Anxiety Forum. When the heart patients give up thinking ther is something wrong with their heart, they move on to brain tumours, then cancer (somewhere, if ONLY the doctors could find it) and then to strokes.

      Why this pattern has established itself is something I've been asking myself for months. But it's there. It is definitely there. I am sure that others have noticed it. What causes it?

      Cristina, examine your highly intelligent mind and try to answer me. This is not a challenge or a disrespectful question from me. I am old enough to be your grandma. I would like to know if you believe that Dr. Google has anything at all to do with this spate of terrible AD people we see daily on the Anxiety Forum.

      One more thing. I have to say this. All of you with Health Anxiety are remarkably good at reassuring other sufferers.

      So why do you carry on believing in your own illnesses?

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      Your question is quite difficult to answer, because there are a lot of reasons as to why this pattern happens. Health anxiety is a vicious cycle. Some people manage to get out of it and some people dont... But i'll try my best to answer your question. ( there might be an essay lol 😂 )

      When it comes to having a symptom.. Some people have the tendency to look it up. Then the internet will give them what could be causing these symptoms. Some people could have one or more symptoms. Then when they do.. They begin to go on websites like Web Md and the mayo clinic which will briefly describe the disease. The great fear can come from many things... But web md has a habit of over exaggerating common symptoms in my opinion. It tends to tell you things like " if you have arm numbness you should see a doctor.. EVEN if the symptoms go away.. As this could be a sign of a heart attack" "you're stomach is hurting? You need to see a doctor right away! Go to a gastroenterologist to make sure its not stomach cancer, EVEN if the pain goes away" you know?

      Also people like me can EASILY access stories that have to do with subjects like these. Blood clots, sudden cardiac arrest, brain tumors, cancer, heart attacks you name it. I've read a lot of stories on the internet where people who are "healthy" would end up dying of a pulmonary embolism! A lot of them were girls who were on birth control.. And never thought they would get it.. EVEN THE DOCTORS said they wouldnt get it but they ended up getting it anyway.. Which makes me angry and sad at the same time.. There was only ONE story where the blood clot just happened for no reason.. The girl wasnt on birth control, she didnt have factor V leiden.. And no one in her family has ever had Deep vein thrombosis.

      Now for sudden cardiac arrest, this is something that happens to athletes! And im an athlete! Im on the high school swim team.. And i swim fly and freestyle. Again, i read stories where people my age who were like me, never had any problems with their heart. Never had history of anything like unexplained syncope... Or seizures... No family history of heart disease.. Structurally normal hearts and then BOOM they drop dead.. And find out later they DID have something wrong all along. Like for instance long qt syndrome, brugadas, and WPW, and other rare genetic mutations. Long qt syndrome has 5 or 15 different genotypes from what i heard. And the fact that the syndrome is often silent is really scary.

      Teenagers.. Are soooo reliant on the internet.. They never want to listen to anybody then what the internet says. I think wht continues this pattern is the question "what if?" . And no matter how much you try so hard to convince yourself you're going to be ok.. There is always going to be something to ruin it. I read a story about a male athlete who was a football player who died a cardiac arrest ( he survived thankfully ) and he went to the cardiologist weeks before. EVERYTHING WAS NORMAL! They did not find anything. Which makes me really frustrated.. Because sudden cardiac arrest ALWAYS happens for a reason... No healthy person just drops dead when there is nothing wrong. There is always a reason for everything. And these stories where people drop dead GET ANXIETY SYMPTOMS prior to the event.

      Sweating

      Nausea

      Racing heart

      Breathlessness

      Fainting

      ANXIETY.

      Anxiety is said to be one of the symptoms of things like pulmonary embolism, heart attack, cardiac arrest.. That its very hard to determine whether it IS anxiety or whether or not something bad WILL ACTUALLY happen! And that it could be a warning sign for an actual disease. And you know the saying "follow your gut?" This could also be a reason why people with generalized anxiety disorder.. Have trouble excepting their diagnoses. Because they think that following their gut is right. And they are! Their instinct is telling them that they have this disease.. And the fact that you're instinct is right for most of the time causes the anxiety sufferers to keep believing that they have these diseases ... And that no matter what test they have.. They will still not brush it aside because their instinct is telling them that something is wrong and that everyone is missing something. There will always be that question. " what if?" And that saying in the back of our heads, " there is still a possibility" that just wont go away!

      Then when the heart symptoms are over.. They could get a headache one day.. Then the whole thing starts again. They go on Mayo clinic ... They go on web md.. All that shizzz then they begin to read stories about people who had the same exact symptoms they did. They THEMSELVES had panic disorder.. And then they end up getting diagnosed with a brain tumor! This will lead AD sufferers to go into completer havoc! Because they begin to think "oh no what if i have a brain tumor? And anxiety can be a symptom of this?" I think im dying.. Goodbye world.

      This is something that i always thought. For you anxiety sufferers thinka about this. I learned this through my experience. When you think you have these diseases.. And know the symptoms.. Dont you think that its possible you could be giving yourself these symptoms? Think about it. You're mind is filled with all these thoughts that you have all these disease... So you know what it does ? Say you think you're going to have a heart attack. Right? You know the symptoms. So what happens is that your mind begins to send negative signals to the areas where you would experience heart attack symptoms.. It starts to give you chest pain.. Dizziness.. Arm numbness.. And then you begin to panic. When you begin to panic.. This is called the flight or flight response.. Which is made by the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems in your body. Adrenaline is produced to either fight, or take flight from soemthing. People who have panic attacks are trying to either fight or flee from their situation. And then within a span of 10 minutes. The panic goes away.

      Now for the brain tumor.. Again.. AD sufferers KNOW the symptoms of a brain tumor.. So the mind starts to give them the same symptoms as a brain tumor would give.. Because they are constantly thinking about it. Anxiety sufferers will get symptoms of the diseases they think they have.. Because of the whole signaling process.

      I think the main problem though with GAD, is that sufferers from this condition see that ANXIETY is a symptom of a lot of these deadly diseases. That its extremely hard to tell the difference between whether or not its just anxiety itself.. Or the fact that the anxiety is a cause of a disease. I think that if ANXIETY wasnt a symptom of all these terrible diseases.. GAD sufferers would be able to accept their diagnoses much easier and give the doctors a less harder time.

      Teenagers always complain about how docs dont take them seriously.. Because they think that such things could never happen to them. If i was a doctor.. I would make sure that my patient is 100% ok before i go and make a diagnoses as anxiety. I feel like a lot of these docs push us away because they think that this is typical teenage stuff and that we're just doing this for "attention". Teenagers need to be understood more! We are not doing any of this because we're thirsty for attention! And if we are thirsty for attention its because we want an ANSWER! Not to be ignored as just some other teen with (curse word i cant say ) life problems! We dont have to be adults to know what is going on with our bodies and we dont have to be adults to understand what its like to have heart disease and stuff ! Kids! Teens! I believe that no one is too young for anything! Anything could happen to anyone at anytime whether its good or bad!

      I hope i answered your question Tess, i really tried the best that i can. Please remember that whatever i said in this reply is not targeted towards you or anyone on this forum! It was just a little rant to get off my chest. I honeslty feel like i just took a huge rock off my chest by saying all of this stuff. And explaining all of this is like taking a fresh breath of air. smile

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      Ooh as a mom lol i just want to throw in all media apps and sites ahould be on private. Period. Thats an available option. Christina your insta should be on private and no one on there you do not know. Period. Dont be in need if attention like that. Its not a game. You are smart but just saying be smarter. 

      Then i agree with tess.

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      I hope medicine is on your list of possible career paths, Cristina. I am quite serious about that. You have a rare ability to absorb complicated medical information. Or at least go into nursing. What ARE you thinking of doing/

      I remember the football player because it was live on UK telly. He was very, very lucky because there were paramedics and doctors immediately available, and a defibrillator, which they used on the pitch, and they carried on doing CPR as the match ground to a halt. He was taken, alive and intubated and with his heart beating again, to a hospital where he spent several weeks, until he was discharged, and told never to play football again.

      No diagnosis was made as to why he suddenly went into cardiac arrest, except the somewhat doubtful one of Sudden Adult Death Syndrome.

      He is alive and well right now. He suffered no brain damage due to the immediate treatment he received. I would think the footage is on youtube.

      You certainly answered my question, Cristina, and if you become a doctor or nurse, you will be a very good one because of your experiences with Anxiety Disorder. You will understand the patients that other medical staff do not. That is immensely valuable. Do please think about taking up a medical career.

      I am awed by the answers you give to others on this site. You comfort and support, despite your own suffering.

      Amazing girl.

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      I used to have a habit of putting my account on private during the nightime and public during the day.. But ever since that happened i always kept it private
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      Thank you Tess! That was really sweet of you! My mom has a friend who is an EMT and said that if i ever wanted to become one he could tell me what i need to know and what training is like. I am interested in becoming and EMT as a side job.

      For my full time job im not sure.. From all the doctors visits i had.. A lot of them said that i should become a doctor because i know all the diseases and their symptoms. I remember one doctor telling me that the reason why most doctors get into medicine.. Is because they're scared too! They start to have a symptom and they begin to think " what if i have this?" You know? Then they'll learn about the disease in med school and figure out that they dont have it eventually.

      If i DO become a doctor.. I was thinking of specializing in cardiology, neurology.. Or maybe somewhere in OBGYN. My mom went to nursing school for a while.. But she got a job as a teacher so shes a teacher now. She said that there was a lot of math involved.. And the problem with that is that..... Im not good at math AT ALL! Im a c average student when it comes to math! The only time i got an A in math was because my dad helped me out and the teacher really really liked me! I was watching a video about long qt syndrome.. And there is a formula to calculate the QTc interval called Bazettes formula. ( i dont know if i spelled that right ) and i looked at it and i thought "ohhhh boy... I can see myself making crazy mistakes with THAT formula 🙃.

      I dont know if i answered your question about long qt but if i didnt ill try to answer this one. People have different types of long qt. There are different phenotypes. Lqt1 , Lqt2 and lqt 3 being the most common. Some phenotypes show obvious symptoms.. And some dont. For the people who think they have lqts.. The fact that it often has no symptoms can be very scary! A lot of people dont know they have it until it too late or they survive a cardiac event!

      They say that if one has long qt.. They would most likely go into cardiac arrest while swimming! Because excersise tends to prolong the qt interval. Thats why stress tests are more accurate for diagnosing a long qt then a resting ecg. I started swimming when i was only 2 years old. Never had a problem. I never passed out.. Never went into cardiac arrest.. Our swim coach likes to do a lot of cardio excersises! So our endurance is on the money! My school got second place last year over all! As i said before probably a lot of times.. My mom had a stress tests and the doc told her she was fine smile i think it was actually a stress echo .. But im not sure.. Either way, shes all clear for now smile but since im an AD sufferer.. That statement ( there is still a possibility ) is still in my head. Do you think that Pvc's could be a side effect of long qt? I talked to people about pvcs.. And heard that they are VERY common and totally benign in structurally normal hearts. I've been having a lot lately, and my mom told me she gets them too! My dad, the guidance counselor in my school gets them too! So that alleviated my anxiety a bit. But IF i did have lqts.. Wouldnt i have dropped dead already from all these pvcs im experiencing? Because if i DID have lqts i dont think that the heart would be able to handle all of these.... But im just not sure if these extra heartbeats are a SIGN of lqts.. I started getting these in july, and weeks after the cardiologist visit they came back but they're more severe. Do you think you could give me an insight on some of this?

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      Well, you have raised many issues here.

      First, nurses also have to do the maths, to check that the doctor prescribed the right amount.

      You can use a calculator!

      Being an EMT would be very exciting at times, and would also give you an insight into the idiotic calls that EMTs get, over and over...........I am afraid that this consists of huge people who have fallen over, young mums who do not understand babies' normal behaviour (one woman famously called an ambulance because her baby slept for 6 hours!) and........sorry, but here we go...........people with Health Anxiety who think they are having x, y, z. Which they are not.

      All these people are called 'frequent flyers' by EMTs and ER staff alike, and are basicallt ignored, because the staff have REAL emergencies to deal with. Sorry. But it's true.

      Re - LQTS - I know about the phenotypes and all I can say is this: your mother has had a stress test and it was normal. Your father has not yet dropped dead. You yourself have decided that you may have LQTS and will therefore drop dead at some point.

      I reallt don't think there is much more I can say to you about your obsession with dropping dead.

      If you DID have LQTS pretty much the only treatment is a pacemaker.

      Nobody has suggested that you need one.

      What does that tell you, seriously?

      I have tried and tried to tell you that you haven't got LQTS.

      You could change tack and start investigating the number of teens who have strokes. Not many, but there are a few.

      If you did that, I would expect you to conclude that you might have a stroke.

      Do you understand? I am NOT belittling you. I have just run out of answers, darling.

      xx

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