Lichen Sclerosus group suggestions etc
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Hi all,
Due to ongoing discussions/messages etc lately I suggest I post a new discussion as below and I will pin it so it will be the first discussion on the LS group page here https://patient.info/forums/discuss/browse/lichen-sclerosus-1341.
For the links to useful discussions and websites - I will ask for regular contributors to suggest which are the best discussions/sites to start new users off (not too many, I was thinking 5 max). It may be worth starting new discussions x 2 as below or similar?
Lichen sclerosus - Conventional therapy
Lichen sclerosus - Alternative therapy
Note: suggestions for websites still need to meet the T&Cs, ie not commercial etc. I have just added one for now as I have been asked about it before.
I would also like to remind users here about previous communication about opinions, repeated posting of the same views and/or pushing products, web sites or names. I still have not caught up with things so if anyone knows of any discussions/threads that can actually be removed or moved to the Alt Med section let me know. I will still be scanning through the LS discussions when I have time and may start removing/editing posts as required.
Note: I do not have time nor will I get involved in any "she said this and it's wrong / I don't agree with it" type postings or reports UNLESS the posts descend into personal attacks etc. I hope you can all continue posting and help each other and hopefully the proposed new discussion below will help.
If you have any other suggestions specifically for the LS group or questions reply in this discussion (not the proposed one when it comes). This can also include questions about the possible survey/spreadsheet that was discussed before if it is still something users want.
Below is a first draft of the proposed discussion to welcome new users so please feel free to reply with suggestions or changes here. Exisiting users may want to add their potted history as I have suggested in the below once it's on site. I suggest this as it saves you having to repeat your situation in other discussions. You can just link to the discussion below once done if you do want someone to read your story/history.
Regards,
Alan
PROPOSED PINNED DISCUSSION WHICH I WILL POST
Title - New to LS - start here
Below are various resources for Lichen Sclerosus from leaflets to useful web sites and recommended discussions. You may wish to reply to this discussion as a way of introducing yourself to other forum members and giving a brief history of your situation.
There is a patient leaflet on LS here which also has related tabs with more information, support groups etc.
https://patient.info/health/lichen-sclerosus-leaflet
Below are other useful websites:
http://www.lichensclerosus.net/
and any others to be suggested
These are discussions which you may find useful to read and/or reply to as recommended by regular users of this forum:
https://patient.info/forums/discuss/dr-goldstein-lecture-271556
and any others to be suggested
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sky23 Emis_Moderator
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Suzanne's post has given me pause. There are many ideas on Lichen Sclorosis simply because it is something neither medicine nor the patient has solid answers on treatment or cause. I understand the emotive and frustrating need for clarity can cause polerisation in posts. This is not necessarily a bad thing as it helps provide another point of view as long as this point of view is not presented as dominant and expert. Perhaps the answer may lie in keeping to the content of the original post. If the post is open, querying and in need of information then a mix of both medical(from a patients perspective) and alternative(things that someone has found helpful and may or may not be a part of modern medicine) will be most informative. However should the original post be more reseach bound, let us say stemcell treatment updates, then alternative has no place really as it is a specific interest, and its value is gaining and informing as much knowledge as possible on this particular subject. So perhaps the wording of the division of posts might be changed to 'open' which means a discussion encompassing all and no one point of view should dominate, and 'specific posts' which means the content is based very much on the original query/research. This would not take a great deal of work but would simply need the post title to contain one of these words to clarify the need.
Emis_Moderator sky23
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I agree totally and is my main point from all of this. As I said in the longer reply - using sensible wording in the title/or intro of a discussion is a simple way to avoid conflicts.
Alan
Morrell1951 Emis_Moderator
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At any rate, I'm very much in favour of Alan's permanent pinning of basic helpful sites and leaflets – as is – at the top of the forum, since the top discussion is often the most social and alternative.
marey Emis_Moderator
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This site offers a very high standard of moderation (thank you) as well as the benefit of contact between sufferers. I can't say that I have a specific purpose for being here but one of the benefits has been making friends, exchanging tips, passing on ideas that I'm enthusiastic about (not always appreciated...understandably!)...but with time and the effort at communication I have found out who is receptive and who is not !! ...so I can address myself appropriately; as well as actually having some fun and a bit of a laugh at myself and at the humourous points made by others. I see this situation as something of a voyage which includes, for me, the opportunity for self development. So I'm going with it and trying to work on myself including making endeavours to improve not only my health, but also, my awareness, my manners !! .. my intellect, ability to research, my courage (contributing here in this very exposed location!) and my self-assertiveness!. This last 'asset' was unexpected. But I take great pride in my contribution which led not only to a prompting for the establishment of the Alternative Medecine section by you Alan, but also to the 'integrated' approach which currently exists on this part of the site.
If we progress such dialogue perhaps we could work out a model which accomodates the earlier 'feel' that some members might be hankering after....whereby those that 'want to be left alone to take their meds and to talk about something/anything else' could give some polite indication so that those of us 'enthusiasts' can aim elsewhere !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The above said I am an intervener ...and I know there is a quality in that. I try not to let things get neglected. I try not to turn my back. This might have included info about the effects meds could be causing.... given as a newbie I wondered.... if I or anyone else has some information ...is keeping quiet always appropriate ? These are broad dilemmas. As in life one exercises restraint about comment... but on a website specifically for a medical condition held in common? So what I'm saying here, I think, is would it be helpful if people were able to indicate 'please don't comment on my meds' or 'I'm happy with my health regime' for example by means of a symbol or something they could put up? I don't know, I'm not proposing it, but, would those who might feel this way be able to indicate best practise (if you could design and choose any symbolism here, on this site?)... as it seems to me, that, within tech limitations, we're being invited to put forward...some proposal ...any reasonable proposal to help this site to excell.
Just to follow your design idea Alan I'm not sure I'm entirely clear ...so perhaps if I repeat back to you the pathway that you're considering for a new user...might this help clarify?
Might it be that to come 'on-board'.... the user (initially or at every entry?) passes through a portal where they are offered selected information and various links inorder to appraise themselves of the latest on this condition (subject to periodic revision as users might from time to time suggest?).
I can see from this inspired proposal Alan that at this point the various strategies ....to their full extent and without third party representation/misrepresentation can be laid out. I imagine that for balance you will be inviting suitably referenced authorities, articles, book titles in equal number from either 'side' ...plus something in the middle?
It occurs to me at this time that I have a very suitable reference to offer from an alternative perspective. The author is more than qualified to comment since like all of us on the site she is intimately familiar with this disease (diagnosed through biopsy). The author experienced the condition of Lichen Sclerosis for a substantial period before being discharged five years ago by her gynaecologist. She remains in excellent health.
In addition to this achievement with her own health the author took on two case studies...who followed the principles that the author had devised. One was a 6 year old child with severe Lichen Sclerosis the other a gentleman with autoimmunity. Both cases were also discharged within a year and both remain well.
I don't know about anyone else but I can't think of a more suitably qualified individual to be named as a resource on the subject...and of course to be placed alongside Goldstein in the list...strategically neither above nor below ...if its possible to be so specific about links!! inorder to avoid issues with symbolism.
This is quite timely as the book is due out so I would be able to provide you with a link (subject to all the appropriate non-endorsement disclaimers of course) and I would really prefer that the book had a link that folk could take or leave on their way in as I don't want to be otherwise plugging or peddling it but I most definitely want to find an appropriate way to share it. I should emphasize that I have no financial interest in this book but I do hope that others would join me in following its recommendations. This opens the prospect not only of a support group forming but perhaps in due course the formation of a fully validated clinical trial.
With sincere best wishes from mary
suzanne00 marey
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Morrell1951 marey
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Regarding the idea of putting the onus on users to commit to being labeled as not open – that would be an excellent way to drive newbies away.
The Facebook page on LS that I joined is completely unified in the understanding that Clobetasol is the treatment they're stuck with for now (nobody's 'happy' with it). The trouble with that page is the way posts get dozens of helpful comments, but quickly disappear below subsequent posts, all uncategorized. Our forum here allows for old topics to rise to the top again, whether because a newbie doesn't realize it's dormant or maybe the original host of that discussion wants to get it going again or someone has news.
The characterization of LS sufferers who follow their doctor's advice as 'happy' with their regime and wanting to talk about something else is divisive. Talking about all the things that happen in life with LS is hardly 'chitchat'.
I think discussions about whole lifestyles that follow experimental alt med routines aimed at the entire autoimmune disorder spectrum belong in a dedicated group. This group could certainly be linked on the LS intro section as many (but not all) of the newly diagnosed seem to have multiple auto-immune problems. If 'enthusiasts' were able to post a link to the LS Ginny protocol discussion in any discussion on the auto-immune group I think that could work very well.
Morrell1951 suzanne00
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https://patient.info/forums/discuss/ls-preparatory-steps-towards-a-protocol-273406
Emis_Moderator marey
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These are open forums and users can easily say in their posts or discussions whether they want to hear from different user "types". It is not feasible to get users to go through a "portal" (and why should they). Similarly the idea below of using symbols to mark users as "open" to suggestions etc is just not what forums are about. What should happen is if a user posts in their discussion they are not wanting to hear non-conventional ideas then other users need to respect this and vice versa as per the FAQ on Alt Med/Opinions etc.
If you want to give a description of your "beliefs" or history you can add this to your "About me" section via your profile page - see http://patient.uservoice.com/knowledgebase/articles/398348-user-profile-page
Alan
sky23 Emis_Moderator
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marey sky23
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kellie42169 sky23
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suzanne00 kellie42169
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Perhaps option buttons for "conventional advice sought," or "open to any suggestions." While new people may not always know which they are at the outset, at least they'd have the option to click that on whenever they figure it out.
marey kellie42169
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I was much more dour !! Had been trying to think of a way to spare newbie's from intruding, in their enthusiasm to engage, upon those who don't want to discuss their meds or speculate over cures....ie an 'anything but group' who like to engage without reference to cures and other upheaval by contrast with the seekers who want to discuss nothing else(!!) . I was mooting a way of asking the first group how they might possibly wish to indicate their position...rather as one would when suggesting someone might leave their phone off the hook if they don't want to be disturbed ...
Your idea is much more engaging!
marey
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But if all too complex we could have changing mood colours as a complete distraction and go completely wild ! sorry its late...I'm losing my head !!!!!!
marey Emis_Moderator
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There used to be separate wards for them !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!