Living with Forestier's disease

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I have finally found info on Forestier's disease!!

When I was first diagnosed back in 1988 my doctor had no material on this subject. I was told to go home and find it on my computer, which I did. There was a researcher in Canada who hit the nail right on the head, Forestier's is no pick nick! He was so right!

When I was first diagnosed with the disease, I was in a lot of back pain. I had x-rays done and this article is correct....my vertebral area looked as if I were leaking wax. I saw all sorts of bony hooks hanging from each and every vertebrate and I was in a lot of pain; but my doctor at that time said I couldn't be in pain, as it wasn't painful??? On the contrary, the article I was told to research stated that there is a great deal of pain associated with the disease and eventually it would be crippling and that is where I am, 20 years later.

At the first time I was diagnosed, I didn't know that my choking could be associated with the disease itself, I thought it was just asthma...after all \"it isn't that bad.\" I was placed on many anti-inflammatory medications. I was place on one that I suddenly would loose my speech and get confused...I was told they might be TIA's. Later this particular drug was found to do just that. Since it wasn't helping, I was put on another anti-inflammatory and the doctor doubled the recommended dose and later I found that the sphincter muscle to my stomach and been burned away from too much of a good thing.

I was told not to see a chiropractor and for good reason! I had a complication from a surgery and they had to knock me out in order to go down my throat....while under someone turned my head further than I could myself and broke a facet in my neck; now I have plates in my neck and need more surgery....Once my neck was repaired, I didn't choke any longer. Right now, the disease has gotten so bad that I have many areas of stenosis and nerve root cut off. The neurosurgeon who performed my first neck surgery stated that every opening that allows the nerve roots to channel through my body was loaded with razor sharp spurs. This is just the spinal region of my body.

I am beginning to calcify at every ligament insertion site. I have bony over growth in my feet, which interfere with the articulation of my foot joints. I can feel the bones sticking out of my ankles and the tops of my feet; I'm beginning to fuse in my left foot. In three weeks I'm heading for a double knee replacement because my left knee can't support my knee cap; over growth of bone has pushed it away. It is getting more and more difficult to participate in daily activities as my range of motion is becoming limited. My elbows and my shoulders are affected as well...I can feel bony growth there as well. I'm losing feeling in my legs, as my nerves are being pinched; the pain shoots down to my feet and it is gripping. My hands can't grip a phone for any length of time.

I found if my pain can be controlled, I can function well, but too many doctors are not up on the pain this disease produces. Controlling the pain keeps me moving, and that is what you need to do, but the support isn't there for this. The disease is so rare that it is brushed off as regular osteoarthritis and it isn't, it's no where near the same.

I was diagnosed in my thirties and I have lived with chronic pain for over twenty years now. I was told that it affects mostly males over the age of 70....bunk! It is genetic, as my mother had it and wasn't properly diagnosed with the disease and my brother has it as well. My mother and I were deeply affected, she had it her feet as well and by the time she reached 70, she couldn't walk without crying in despair.

I had one doctor treat me with Suboxone and it was the only drug that gave me back the quality of life others enjoyed. He left for the north and I am back in severe pain once again. The problem with this disease, it's a square peg and everyone wants to fit into a round hole. I try to keep a smile on my face for my families sake, but the pain can be read all over my face. I'm still young, by today's standards and I just want to be a participant in this life, not stuck in some corner watching my life and the world go passed me.

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    Hi Deborah, thanks for the good wishes. I basically had to have surgery because my cervical spine was impinging on my nerves affecting my breathing, so I had to have it to safe my life. Then 3 years later I had to have the lumbar because I could no longer walk and was risking permanent paralysis. Both surgeries were very successful and I don't take anything except Advil occasionally. I swim like you, which is the best treatment I believe overall. I'm in rehab to tighten up my abs because a year of recovery got me out of shape. I am having new symptoms, a lot of muscle cramping but stretching in the pool helps. I do have hip involvment beginning, and my right ankle has been bad for years, so I wear a brace on that at work. I do get depressed at times, but it is what it is, and I just think how worse things would have been being in a wheel chair. I can still live independently, and take it one day at a time only. I definitely have found taking methylated folic acid and vitamin D with other supplements like B6 and B12. I also went gluten free a year ago. I wish everyone blessings, this is a very tough disease to live with.
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      Oh yes you needed those surgeries, and one day I will need some too. Recently I had a hack doctor wanna do an unnecessary surgery that would have done me no good, so I got 2 more opinions and opted out of that one. I'm in the desert so I get lots of sunshine and do take b-complex. You are such a pretty girl and I hope you have a partner in life. My husband keeps me laughing so much I foget about being depressed. I have the horse throat too but as it turns out I can sing better with this new deeper voice. (at least I think so...lol)

      Too bad we couldn't all meet up in Vegas or somewhere fun one day and make eachother laugh. Best wishes for another stressless day.biggrin

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      If you know anything about Go Go Pilates,  Try going to someone  that will use that on you,  I really help me alot.. Good luck, and buy the way I also go swimming, (But the water must be warm)

       

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      Thanks that's a great recommendation. I do yoga in the pool to improve my balance and cool down and stretch. Better than any medicine ever. If only I could become a mermaid!

       

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      What kind of yoga excercises do you do?  Do you do it on you own or do you have a instructor? 
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    May I ask where in the world did you have surgery and who performed it?

    I live in Ontario, Canada. 

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    Kathleen the most common surgery for DISH are for the large Cervical Osteophytes that affect ones swallowing my mechanically compressing the Oesophagus, the other Surgeries to the Thoracic Spine are extremely rare and may be to stabilize a Fx or for Spinal Stenosis and I have been observing from the DISH site on FB that quite a few of us "Stiffs" have Spinal Stenosis and I wonder if any study has been done to see if we have a higher % of Spinal Stenosis just a thought.  The other thing that has raised my curiosity is the amount of us (predominantly Females) who were Dx with "Fibromyalgia"  which I think personally is the onset of DISH before it is recognised and before the criteria of 3 consecutive vertebrae getting  fused is met to give one a Diagnosis of DISH.  There is lots of information from research done all over the world on FB at the Research Site. Hope we all find a cure if not something to delay this process and one day the word Idiopathic becomes archaic and they find the cause.

    Best wishes to all and praying our pain stays to bearable levels!

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    Hi, I have just been given the news today that I have Dish. It was diagnosed after a ct scan. I really know very little about this disease or what the progression is. I am 43 years old and have had what i thought was work related back pain. I went to an osteopath who tried to crack my spine and caused me intense pain in my back and chest and am now dosed up on pain meds and was sent to have the scan on wednesday, my doctor phones me with the results today and sent me through the ct report. apparently I have significant spurs on my thoracic  spine and a calcified disc, and a prolapsed disc in my lumbar spine. I have been told nothing beyond that and i have to say reading this thread has freaked me the hell out. Can someone give me some useful, reasuring info about what i am in for and what treatment i should be looking into.

    Cheers

    Rather frightened 43 yr old wife and mother

    Fran

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      I too am sorry for you and all of us that have this disease. To be honest there is NO good news, and to say so would be a lie. I just advise you to live your life to the fullest posible and do everything you dream of doing while you are still able. I was an avid runner and then the diagnosis slowed me down to a walker and now I am only allowed to swim or bicycle to avoid further damage. We will al detererate at a different rate and in a differend manner, but unless some really rich and famous people get this disease and have an interest in research, nothing is being done. I carry a printed copy of what it's all about to ever new doctor I see, as most never even heard of it. And if they don't take the time to read it and understand....I move on to a better doctor. I wish you the best of luck, and you will get past the shock and fear one day. Just remember threre are people living with worse diseases than us. Sincerely, Deborah
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      Thanks for your honesty Deborah. I will just continue along the path I have found my self on. Good luck and best wishes to you.

      regards

      Fran

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    Hi Fran sorry you have this terrible disease I have done basic Web page have a look type in browser D.I.S.H Steve Perspective
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    Hello Everyone, 

    My name is Pamela. I'm a 53 year old female, and I am in Canada. I was diagnosed with Forestier's Disease in Feb. of 2014. I have been living with Fibromyalgia, Osteoarthritis in all my major joints, Trigeminal Neuralgia, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and Type 2 Diabetes (on insulin). I've lived with chronic pain for over 20 years. 

    My diagnosis of Forestier's came after a trip to the Emergency Dept for chest and jaw pain (determined eventually to be a bad reaction to a new diabetes drug). After ensuring there was no heart attack, the Drs did a number of tests and treatments, including a CT scan of my chest. When that came back, the Hospitalist ( a Dr. who works in the hospital) told me that I had D.I.S.H. aka Forestier's. He could see the bone spurs in the sternum area and on my spinal cord. Since that time, I've also had finger surgery for a bone spur that was growing through a tendon on the second joint on the inside of my pointer finger. I can see "baby" bone spurs starting to form on the same finger on the outside of the second knuckle, and there's another one on the outside of the middle finger on the first joint. The Dr. told me he suspected something like this when he first saw me, because I have a genetic deformity of my fingers and toes - it's called "short thumb syndrome" or brachydactyly - I have Type E. 

    This diagnosis came totally out of the blue so I was pretty shocked. I read up on the information he provided from the Mayo Clinic but I've been searching for more information, especially wanting to hear from other people who have it. I often have severe chest and back pain - like a knife being stabbed right through me - and I suspect it's the bone spurs either growing, or affecting the spinal column. I'm already taking narcotic pain medicine plus muscle relaxers and a drug for the Trigeminal Neuralgia - I'm not sure what else I could possibly take that might be helpful. 

    I'm just thankful to find others who are in the same boat as me. I didn't know there was a Facebook group, so will look into that. I live in Victoria, BC Canada. 

    My empathy and my sympathy go out to all who have to live with this horrible condition. I'd love to hear back from anyone who wants to talk more. 

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      Hi there I am a 63 yr. old woman and got my diagnosis back in my 40's. I guess I'm lucky DISH is the only major thing I really have. In the past 5 years it has gotten so bad that I can no longer swim or anything beyound walking and driving. I go real easy on the narcotics because I don't wanna live in a coma. It's a rotton disease and there is no one even looking for a cure or a fix. I have a brother in law in Canada and he says the healthcare is pretty bad there. I that true? It seems no countries have been looking for a cure for this. It took them 10 years to figure out that it's genetic. Oh I'm in Arizona.

      Not much else to say about this condition. Good luck with your journey.

      Debbi

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      Hi Deborah,

      I'm glad you're only dealing with DISH...not that that's an easy thing to live with, but it's better than having a lot of other things going on. I have been on narcotic meds for years now and they don't affect me at all...I don't feel like I'm on anything, and my doctor says that's because my body really needs the medications, so I don't get "high" from them. 

      Health care in Canada can be good and bad - depends on where you are. There are many places where you can't find a family doctor and wait times in the Emergency Rooms are horrendous. On the other hand, I found a great GP when I moved to Victoria, BC 2 years ago, and when I was in the ER where I first got my diagnosis of DISH, it was 3am on a Friday night and there was only one other person waiting. The best thing for us is the coverage of our medical bills...95% of everything is paid for by the government. In my province, we pay a monthly premium for the privilige of having health care. In some provinces, like Alberta (where we lived for 16 years), there is no premium to pay. 

      I too wish there was more research on DISH, but at least it's good to know we're not the only ones out there. I hope you are able to find some pain relief to get back to swimming, etc. again. Good luck to you!

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      It's not the pain that stops me from swimming and other things. It's the bone spurs eventually fuse the spine and neck and shoulders and hips. My mother was so stiff that a simple fall on thick carpet landed her a quadriplolegic, and she died 7 months later. So if you are still mobile be sure and do all the fun  stuff you can before it takes away your mobility. And use good posture so you won't freeze up in a hunched over position. There was a fella on here yesterday that can't lift his head up anymore.

      Thanks for the information on your HC in Cananda.

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      Hello

      I am not this site that often but thought I should reply to you because I live in BC as well. I was diagnosed nearly a year ago after years of false diagnosises.  

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      sad poor you, at least mine stuck out (he he!) the bridging is well on the way in my spine. It was actually the Radiographer that diagnosed it in her Xray report. I found a severity scale on the net if you are interested-

      Mata scoring system:

      0: no ossification

      1: ossification without bridging

      2: ossification with incomplete bridging

      3: ossification with complete bridging

      Keep your chin up doll cool

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