Long term antidepressants treatment
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This is something I found today and thought it would be good to share it to anyone like me that has been on antidepressants for a long time and wondering why they get worse and not better. Please not this is only about long term use of antidepressants.
Antidepressants are crucial for treatment in the acute phase when untreated symptoms are at there worse. With long term use the brain sets to work compensating for the drug induced changes with a process called oppositional tolerance, the brain tries to re- establish its usual balance of production/ release and reuptake of neurotransmitters as every system of the body does when it's normal functioning has been disterbed . The meds artificially jack up the brains level of serotonin so the neurobiology of the system reacts by reducing its own production of the neurotransmitter. In other words if antidepressants use continues long enough the brain will create a system to cancel out its effects.
Well this is exactly what I have thought for a very long time now and one of the reasons I'm off mine after 32 years. By the way I found that information via the London institute if phyciatrists
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hypercat michael_37726
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Aspinan michael_37726
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Ive been on venlefaxine for 10 or so years at a low dose but had it increased flowing relapse and my recovery is taking longer so there may be some truth in it?
michael_37726 Aspinan
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abella Aspinan
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I read a book called The Brain that Changes Itself. This led me to research long term antidepressant use, which led me to research about withdrawal. I am now off antidepressants and using supplements and a healthy high protein and animal fat diet to heal my brain. My understanding is that eventually and gradually my brain will be producing its own chemicals again, so I will reduce my supplements as long as I do not fall back into depression and anxiety again. I may need less supplements or even no supplements in time. It will depend on my genetics, lifestyle, diet and time for my brain to adapt to no antidepressants.
Working well so far. Early days, but full of confidence.
Good luck to you too.
deirdre._03652 michael_37726
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I firmly believe that for many they are the only possible answer to restore quality of life and to balance the equilibrium for day to day living and coping well.... I would not like to think that anyone would stop takingtheir medication if they thought it was only prescribed for profit........ Deirdre ..
michael_37726 deirdre._03652
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deirdre._03652 michael_37726
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michael_37726 deirdre._03652
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anne240 deirdre._03652
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to take anti depressant again or not? I don't know, I really don't.
bobcrachet michael_37726
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I agree with everything you have written. I haven't done the research that you obviously have but it makes complete sense. If you take a drug long term your body compensates for it. This also applies to pain killers, if you keep taking them they become less and less effective, quite scary, in future when you need them they may not work so well.
Very useful blog Michael
robert
anne240 michael_37726
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I am taking "Kalms" and they have natural herbs. Didn't take them over Christmas and went down, so I think they may be working, or perhapos it is placebo effect. Trying to pull myself up.
I do not ever want to go back onto anti depressants. 20+ years is long enough.
Thank you for this information. I read a couple of books which said exactly the same thing. I will try hard to cope. Do our brains eventually make up the lost neurotransmitters and serotonin? Do you think so. How long will it take is a question that cannot be answered, so we will have to see, you and I.
Take care.
michael_37726 anne240
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anne240 michael_37726
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Do you think that however bad we feel, we ought to manage without medication? I am not bad like I used to be, so I really, really want to manage without. Wish I could feel like that woman you mentioned, better after a few months.
I have read where people have got worse and worse on medication, so a good thing to come off it. Lets hope you and I really do get back to something like normal in time. I am pretty ancient now thought, so not so important in my case. Most of my life has gone. Shame so much of it blighted by depression.
abella michael_37726
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Thank you for this information which my own research and experience agrees with. I am coming off antidepressants with the help of natural supplements 5 htp, magnesium, passion flower,B12, hops, l-tyrisone and fish oil. I have not experienced withdrawal but I went off anti depressants cold turkey. You can imagine how nervous I was about relapsing, especially since i knew that my brain had probably compensated by cutting back on production of the very chemicals I needed to prevent depression. So far I am very very pleased with my progress.
I also would like to add that there is a need to take antidepressants for acute depression and I have lived a very stable life thanks to my meds for many years. It was only when my symptoms became a problem that I found out that they were probably caused by long term anti depressant use.
At this stage I can personally recommend using supplements when you need to come off antidepressants but my personal life situation just happens to be very happy and low stress these days, so they may not work for everyone.
In saying all this I can honestly say that I do not regret using antidepressants. I just should have come off them earlier I think.
michael_37726 abella
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Thanks for your reply and I'm happy to hear that you are doing ok off the meds. I agree with that ADs are very helpful in the acute phase and I think that's the whole idea of them but to be on them for years on end is really not the way to go
anne240 michael_37726
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Will our brains gradually revert to what they were, in our case, many years ago. When we were well without depression. Without the anti depressants we took for many years, will we be able to function normally again? As I said, months since I have been off anti depressants. A lot better than I was before I took them, but not like I was when I was that person who had no depression at all.
I do hope you and I and Abella, and lots of others here, can once again say goodbye to depression and anti depressants for ever. How wonderful that would be.
anne240 abella
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I was on anti depressants for over 20 years, and been off them for over a year. I am a lot better than I was at the acute stage. Struggling with ups and downs and set backs, but like you, do not want to go back onto anti depressants.
I am so glad you life is now stress free and happy. I must say mine is not stressful now, so am managing.
How long have you been off the medication? I am so pleased things are going well for you.
Anne
michael_37726 anne240
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I have been doing my usual research about all this and have found some interesting information. We can get our serotonin levels back to normal and keep them there. Most of it is down to diet. There are so many natural ways we can do this with ought the pills. You will find out some very interesting and positive solutions to deal with this condition we have.
michael_37726 anne240
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I have been working hard on my research and found out some very helpful information. I have tryed to post it on here but it seems that the moderators won't allow it for some strange reason so I'm very annoyed and frustrated. This forum is here for us to give each other help and advice and that's exactly what I'm trying to do. I have found out so much useful information recently and just wanted to share it but it seems I'm not allowed. I'm very upset about this and feel like using another forum now. I'm not having a very good day as I have also run out of all the supplements I have been taking and I'm sure they are helping me. I can't buy anymore as living in poverty at the moment due to the fact that I have been off work for so long. I'm self employed so don't get sick pay. I can't even go on benifits because of something that happened a while ago, all a long story but I'm sure I posted on here a while ago. This is not really a good start to the new year don't know what I'm going to do. I live alone and have all the rent bills food ect to pay for so I'm in a state of panic to be honest as I don't have a penny to my name
anne240 michael_37726
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Are you able to sign on? How will you cope?
Wish I could help.
michael_37726 anne240
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Thanks for your kind message. I used to be on sick benefits but was made to go to a fitness for work assessment in may last year even though I took letters from my phyciatrist and GP they said I was fit for work so my benefits were stopped. I was forced to go on unemployment benefits as I had no work to go too. I was in no fit state to work so just went along with it. In August I met a young girl at an AA meeting that I attend as I'm a recovering alcoholic, she was really struggling and also suffers from depression. The council found her a flat and it was in a terrable state so me being me and taking pity on her I said I would do the place up for her. I thought it a good idea as it would help her and also thought it would be good for me to try and do something and get myself used to working again. I am a painter decorator, handy man so have the skills needed to do the work. I was going there just on the odd few days when I felt kind of well enough in myself to do it. To cut a long story short someone reported me to the DWP for working while on benefits maybe one of my neighbours, I will never know. I was called in to the job centre and interagated about all this and even though I said I was just helping someone and not getting paid for it they accused me of telling lies. Trouble is I couldn't prove anything. I lost my temper at the lady out of pure frustration and got marched out of there by the security men and am now banned from the job centre. They stopped all my benefits after that so I went to the CAB they done everything they could but its all taking so long as the case is now going to court but there is nothing I can do in the meantime. All this because I helped someone, it's just so unfair. My landlords won't listen to me anymore as I have already been to court over my massive rent arrears and was put on a payment plan which I have now breached through no fault of my own so I'm in a tricky situation
anne240 michael_37726
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You have been through some really tough times and yet you still post here and help others. You are indeed a truly nice person. Oh my goodness everything awful has happened to you, and I so feel for you.
abella michael_37726
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I would advise you to speak to the manager of the DWP. Not just the branch but the region. I have done this in my job as a family support worker (way back in the day!!!!) for people who had serious financial problems and it always worked well. The manager doesn't want his name to be associated with anything that goes against the mission statement, whereas the staff in the branches get a bit cynical and think everyone is suspect. The manager assumes that you wouldn't have needed to speak to him if the branch had met your needs. Just try not to criticise his staff when you speak to him (he won't like that) and explain that you should not have reacted like you did. It was fear and anxiety about losing your benefit and made you angry that she didn't appear to believe you. Tell him, the staff member didn't deserve to be treated like that. she was only trying to do your job.
You may even try to get an advocate (like I was) to do the appealing because he / she won't feel so emotional about the situation, as you.
Sure hope it works anyway. Thinking about your dire situation, and how unreasonable it is to be branded as a cheat when you are just eeking out a living, as it is.
Good luck.
michael_37726 abella
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I will give that a try that's really kind of you to give me that advice. Ps I did send a letter to my local job centre to apoligise for my outburst as it was wrong of me to swear at a lady like I did. It's not her fault she's a c##t lol
glenda01581 abella
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