Long term use of Zopiclone
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I realise that nowadays, GP`s aren`t keen on prescribing the \"Z\" drugs, however I started taking Zopiclone in 1994, and to be honest, I still find them the most useful sleeping tablet, even after 17 years. The others Zolpidem and Zaleplon did not work at all for me.
Back when I was initially prescribed them the dose was 15mg and that`s what I take to this day. When I started my journey I was totally messed up, in many ways, and I was lucky to find myself under the care of a Consultant Psychciatrist that wasn`t afraid to prescribe \"unfashionable\" medications, hence my still being on them.
Initially, I was going through divorce, redundancy, bankruptcy, suicidal, self harming... etc. etc., and the main cause for this was my poly drug abuse, and alcoholism, and the problems with Family, ex, friends, health this caused.
To cut a long story short, all this caused a Heart attack when I was 37 years old, and this was the \"prompt\" that finally caused me to grow up.
I`ll restrict this to Zopiclone, as I think this drug is getting a bad press, and although some of it is deserved, I think that if taken properly, it remains an effective way to get some sleep.
From my experience, 15mg is the maximum effective dose, taking more will not make you sleep anymore or get to sleep any quicker, infact in my case taking over 15mg is counter-productive, and can be dangerous.
Basically I had to learn (and it took a long time) not to expect \"knock-out drops\", I find it is best to take them, and within 1/2hr be prepared to sleep. That is in bed, comfortable, dark, and quiet (if all these things can be managed that is). I don`t expect any extreme feelings of drowsiness, etc. in fact I usually cannot remember falling asleep, and often cannot remember dreaming, usually it seems that I close my eyes, and that`s it, it`s morning!. I also found that although many people find the amnesia that sometimes occurs can worry people, my way of looking at it is \"well that`s 33% of my problem solved\", as I`m sure everyone will know, there`s nothing worse than insomnia when you`re Depressed, anxious or worried, or in pain or whatever is keeping you awake 24hrs a day.
Everyone is different, and I see that many people find that Zopiclone is not for them, for many reasons.
If taken as prescribed, I haven`t found anything more effective than Zopiclone for Insomnia.
Hope this helps someone.
Cheers Egggbert
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Wendl
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Doctors give such conflicting advice,a cardiologist told me to increase the dose by 3.75. My usual prescription is7.50.My GP tells me to decrease the dose to 3.75 each night,another says one night on and one night off
the 7.50 dose.The bottom line is that they just DON'T know or realize the true damage these pills cause.
I wish I had an answer for you and also for myself,but all I know is that I want to get a good night's normal
sleep which has eluded me since 2000,probably longer.
I am much too scared to take other pills for fear of bad side effects.It does not help that I am alone and have no family support.
livyleduc
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Wendl, I am sorry to hear you have no family support. Have you talked to a psychologist? I am starting yoga classes today and I am hoping it will help with everything. I suggest you try it to! Its been around for so long, theres no way it will hurt.
RobertT
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Recently I read of taking diazepam (Valium) to come off Zopiclone. Having read before that it's as addictive as some of the hard street drugs, I was a little surprised.
For myself, I'm quite sure I'd leave Zopiclone in the medicine chest any time I didn't need it.
Wendl
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fear of bad reactions.
livyleduc
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RobertT
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Times past, I think the concern with Zopiclone was that it was psychologically addictive rather than pharmacologically and if you wanted to take it for more than 28 days it was because you had another underlying condition causing the trouble. It was also thought it became ineffective after a month or two.
Now there's concern about cancer, whether the neurotransmitter receptors it attaches to are damaged, whether the body produces more receptors to offset the effect of Zopiclone and whether that causes problems. There's also some association of accidents with it for people under certain circumstances.
livyleduc
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kjr
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If there is an underlying mental health condition, zopiclone is particularly dangerous.
There is a reason why Drs will only prescribe for a few days now and why they are no longer 'over the counter' drugs in Spain for example.
Sleep depravation is awful and that is what led me to such a damaging addiction. I have no answer but would urge people to use with caution as the devastation this drug has had on my life could never be put into words.
mikeyboy100uk
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kjr
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RobertT
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It would seem at this time that the only sure medication is one that opens Cl- channels on the GABA A receptor – melatonin related medication won't cut it and it doesn't look as if orexin related medication will either.
I note (with some disappointment) that developments to bind to more specific points on the GABA A benzodiazepine receptor are in the anxiolytic direction rather than a sleep inducing one.
Actually, you can die from lack of sleep – they've used mice to prove it. Poor mice.
RobertT
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Possibly the main point in it I wanted to put here was that people getting only 5 hours sleep a night for five nights in a row may already be prediabetic.
"... cumulative long-term effects of sleep loss and sleep disorders have been associated with a wide range of deleterious health consequences including an increased risk of hypertension, diabetes, obesity, depression, heart attack, and stroke." — Sleep Disorders and Sleep Deprivation: An Unmet Public Health Problem." Institute of Medicine (US) Committee on Sleep Medicine and Research; Colten HR, Altevogt BM, editors.
mikeyboy100uk egggbert
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zaphod mikeyboy100uk
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I have taken it almost everynight since it was firs prescribed always at 15mg, apart from the very few occasions when I have run out and forgot to put in a script early enough. Personally, it never had the effect of making me drowsy, so basically I take it, about 45mins later I`m asleep and stay asleep until I wake up (usually 4-6 hours), this has never changed for me, so either I`m getting to sleep on some sort of placebo effect (as long as I get to sleep I don`t really care about the mechanics of it), or it is still working as it always has. On the few days I have not taken it, apart from not sleeping, there were no withdrawal effects to talk about, then I was only a couple of days without it!.
I`m not sure that mixing it with Ambien (called Zolpidem here in UK) is a good idea though, and as I can`t see any sane doctor prescribing them together, I`m guessing you are getting one or the other off the net (or elsewhere). one thing I have learned though is that increasing the dosage of Zopiclone doesn`t make you sleep any better or get to sleep any quicker.
I would seriously consider getting some professional help with withdrawing from that combination, as I`m sure that there will be withdrawals somewhere along the line.
BTW I do find that the Generic Zopiclone you get today isn`t quite as good as the original stuff (Zimovane), but still works ok.
Take care
Paddy
mikeyboy100uk zaphod
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zaphod mikeyboy100uk
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I think I have got away with getting a script for them for so many years is whatever the Psychiatrist told the GP when he handed me over. Mainly, if I don`t get any sleep for more than a couple of day`s I have been known to "fall off the wagon", quite spectaculary, the last time (some years ago), I went on a £1500 Vodka binge, and ended up with a broken face (through falling down the stairs) and a broken bank balance! So I think that Zopiclone is the lesser of two evils.
Certainly cheaper.
All the best
Paddy
joanBarker zaphod
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