Menopace

Thanks Shaznay.

I am actually when I use up my supplements going to try Menopace as one it is a nuisance taking all the tabs and it is also expensive. Especially improvement in joints...that would be brilliant.XXX

Margaret

Believe me when i say I felt like I was aching like a 90yr old!!  I have to say that I have been amazed at the improvement since taking it:  I must have been so low in EVERYTHING!!

I know exactly what you mean about the expense. We could spend a fortune on things we think will help us, but might in fact not. 

I can't be doing with taking loads of pills each day:  1 Menopace suits me fine!

Even better:  it seems to be on offer in most shops.  Best bargain I found: Superdrug '3for2' £8.50-ish.  Or '3 for £10' in Asda.

I hope you find the joint relief I've found when you finally get round to trying it.  Sorry, but I can't actually indicate how long it may be before you feel its benefits, but when you do.......you'll know!

Sx

 

Thank you. I wake up and ache like mad and I do loads of exercise including stretching, mobilisation and strength work so I should not be like this.  Makes me just feel old and obviously sore and uncomfortable.  Superdrug here I come!!!!XX

Good advice: be careful what you take. I check most everything i'm prescribed, for sure. Let's put it this way. If I had taken the advice of my nurse Practitioner I'd be banging around now full of SSRIs/ADs. The list of side effects were enough to put me ON them, none of which I bloody well had to start with.!!!

No mention of how else I could help myself, least of all for aching joints. Tell a lie: I had a blood test for Vit D deficiency. Big deal. I could get that myself at a third of the cost of prescription drugs: so I I did, but in the form o a multi vitamin/min supplement. Small doses = good to try..

Haven't been back to my GP because my biggest gain in all this has been research, research, research.....and reading the accounts of others on this wonderful forum:-)

Lesson learnt: go see another, properly qualified GP in the practice. Felt let down by another woman who's obviously been told to 'push' the ADs/SSRIs. I should have asked the silly cow what she's taking: bet it wasn't anything the NHS provides!!

Let's face it, our GPs now run what is essentially their own 'Businesses', they're more than likely in the pockets of the pharmaceutical companies/ reps, and why explore more costly/appropriate meds when they can dole out the cheapest of the cheap! (Example: you'll need antibiotics. They'll give you some in-of-the-mill generic junk that don't touch the problem. Go back the next week still feeling rough, and only THEN will you be given the 'good stuff'. Result: 2 prescription charges!!! Fact, or am I just a NHS cynic?!)

Don't forget girls, us being menopausal now probably puts us in the ever-increasing 'ageing population' category...... the one that gets ignored and forgotten!!!

Whether Menopace et al are a waste of time/money/effort/placebo, I don't care! Since taking them I've personally felt 100% better. Hence I've been happy to share my experience of them, with no hidden agenda. Things will get a lot worse I'm sure, so I'll sit back and enjoy the relief I'm getting, for now.

I won't mess about with doses, check what interacts with what and stop taking what I don't think benefits me. Its all about informing yourself. I for one could not maintain my intake of certain vits/mins with diet alone and i 'd imagine that would go for the majority of us?

GPs allocate us a max of 8 mins per appointment. Seeing the list of some ladies symptoms, I think they'd be turfed out mid-sentence! So what advice our GPs can give us in that time says it all.

I don't know a GP in the land that would advice you to buy an over-the-counter/ internet site product over what they can scribble on a prescription.....but I know a Pharmacist would! It's all about the ££££!

Frankly Susan, and absolutely no offence meant towards you, but your GP needs a swift kick up the arse! And preferably by a ranting, raging, sweating, aching Peri-menopausal woman who's not taking ANYTHING to help her symptoms, either from said-GP or what's she researched herself!

There. That's better! I think its going to be a good day today!!

I'll apologise in advance if I've offended you Susan, or anyone else or that matter: wasn't my intention.. I just feel that your GP would do a 360° turn if she gave you a blood test and found you lacking in vital vits etc. And the first thing she'd do is write you a script for them. Do you see my point?

PS -Just out of interest, has she ever suggested a blood test for you during Peri to test for anything lacking or otherwise?

PPS - when I think of 'helpful' GPs, Harold Shipman is never far from my mind:-) !!!

Hi Shaz

Totally agree, my GP ( well ditched GP ) threw anti depressants at me, didnt want them, B6 lifted my anxiety.

GPs most, dont have a clue about menopause, Gynos do, GPs are simply that, general practitioners, they dont specialise in anything, thats why referrals begin.

Gyno always for me, mine even said B6 great got meno, and women over 30 in general.

Have a great day ladies

Jay x

Hi jayneejay

Blimey!  I feel like I'm firing full throttle this morning - I don't know where all this 'energy' has come from! 

Poor susan - I'll apologise again.  My rant's not addressed to her personally, not at all.  Just a general dig at GPs who seem almost dismissive of anything Peri/Meno.  And this is a bitter pill to swallow when its being poo-poo'd  by a female GP!!!  Just she wait and see whats in store for her post-50!!

I know I'm on a role as I've done an exercise vid and cleaned the bathrooms and kitchen already! 

The sun is shining today, joy of joys.  Maybe I just feel a bit like my normal, argumentative, debating-self?  Who knows??

Jayneejay, I know that you really know your stuff and I for one am very appreciative of you sharing your knowledge and findings with us.  In fact last night I typed in a general peri question to Dr Google - and the first answer that came up.......was one of your posts from here!  I salute you lady!

Yes, ladies, have a great day wherever you are.

Sx

(Yep, my mood and zest for life this morning has not gone unnoticed. In fact my husband's just come in from the gym, seen me typing on the computer downstairs and not my Tablet from my boudoir, and asked me  have I 'sh*t the bed?!!'  For the faint of heart: its a quaint London phrase - translating as he was surprised to see me up and dressed by 9am!!)

 

Hi Shaz

Excellent, lets hope the zest continues ☺️

Ha ha made me laff ' s*** the b**

( my type of humour )

Have a great day

Big hugs

Jay x

Hi ladies, I have been reading all ur advice an have thanked those of u ladies who replied to my peri questions.

I have been taking the high dose of vit 6,12 an as shasnay had said my energy levels have gone way up, I to have been spring cleaning with vengeance, bathroom, bedrooms, lounge all done, kitchen to go.i haven't found it a chore.im not aching as bad, I can move around alot better.i generally feel a lot better an happier, at the moment, im hoping its going to last !!!!!!!!!!!!! I have been taking magnesium an hour before bed an feel more relaxed when go to bed an have been sleeping better.

so THANK YOU ladies very much. Fingers crossed this will last.im looking forward to getting in the garden. Lol.

im going to keep reading all ur messages.

tracie x

Whoo hay! Great news. Enjoy the burst of energy (but why do we waste it doing housework?!! I'm exactly the same).

Just make sure you don't exceed your RDAs with the B vits.(I tried them years ago for PMS but they made me overly sensitive and shaky, but think they are the 'nerve' vits so maybe he dose was far too high for me personally.)

I know I can't believe im wasting my energy on housework but thort I better make use of it in a good way while it lasts !!!lol.

Having said that, was wondering about overdosing on the vit b's, dont want to start feeling unwell. It's only been a couple of weeks I have been taking a high dose,would you recommend a period of time on a high dose an then reduce to ??

Thanks tracie x

Hi tj

every different brand of vits has different RDAs

in peri and post meno more B6 is needed, our bodies need more, 

can be 100mg - 300mg depending on severity of the meno symptoms

i take 150mg daily have done for over a year, for me its only made my life tonnes better 

jay 

Heres the general rule of thumb

by Leiberman 

Supplementing with vitamin B6 is also a good option during menopause and can provide more rapid relief than diet alone.

To avoid an imbalance that can result when one vitamin becomes deficient, use a supplement that contains a full complement of all members of the B-complex family.

Doses of 50 to 100 milligrams per day help promote general health and wellness.

****However, during the stress of menopause, your requirements for B6 may increase to as much as 300 milligrams per day, says Lieberman.

Hi jay, it seems early days for me then taking the vits.

I am taking 150mg vit 6 and 100 vit 12, as ive said at the mo im feeling alot better.

im 47 an it seems by all my symptoms an the advice, info ive had an read it seems to be the peri.

I'll keep taking them untill I start to feel any different.i don't know what the symptoms wod be if I was to start taking in to much ?

thanks again

tracie

I was thinking of taking menopace instead of the vit b's as meno seems a combination of vitamins for peri, also read alot of ladies say it works, via here ?

Hi tj

if your in early peri maybe 100mg B6 is okay..

i take 150mg as my B6 tablets are 300mg and i split them..

i am post meno and 150mg works well for me.. 

As for b12 100 ? Not sure what that is ..  b12 is not in mg its in mcg ( ug) 

i use to take 5000mcg daily .. But have b12 injections now .

jay x

Do u no anything about menopace ?

yes I am in early peri at 47 !!

tj x

Hi tj

no never taken menopace.. 

I take what works for me personally .. some ladies say Menopace helps them, i cant say, havent taken it... it has a little of each vit very little, my body craved more .. 

I was age 40 when my peri began, i had a ten year peri.

i am 20 months post meno now, aged 50 

jay x

Truth is, I'm probably the world's worse person to talk to about anything 'medication': be that prescribed or otherwise, cos I rarely take tablets: hate them!

Just seen a few replies to you from jayneejay:  she's probably 'Da Boss' to ask anything, especially vitimin doses!

Sorry,  hope I haven't panicked you - but how would you know, tanked up on all that Vit B??!!!

Sx

Hi shaznay, I to dont normally like taking tablets either, my hubby did say I must be desperate if im taking anything to make me feel better. I was sceptical but the vits are working for me, at the moment anyway.had a migraine yesterday that hasn't helped !!

jayneejay seems to be the queen of advice, a big help for me, thanku.even reading u ladies words knowing we're not alone makes u feel better.

u didnt panick me shaz am happy to read all advice and again ur right am rattling when I walk with all the vits im taking !! Lol.

tracie x

Wow Shaznay. Not sure your meds are working as well as you think! Such vitriol towards our hard working and highly qualified clinical staff and such a lot of incorrect information too. Maybe your research is not as thorough as you think!

Firstly, GPs and Nurse Practitioners are not encouraged to 'push' ANY medication especially SSRIs and we are certainly not in the pockets of the pharmaceutical companies as there is major legislation regulating what pharmaceutical companies are allowed to promote. I haven't seen a pharmaceutical rep in over 10 years and most GP practices are the same.

Secindly, yes we do have to run surgeries as a business and that means ensuring we have enough staff/facilities/clinics/equipment to deal with the tremendous amount of patients who come through our doors to ensure they get timely and quality care. We get anywhere between 8 and 15 minutes to see a patient but I certainly would not 'turf' anyone out of my surgery who needed longer. What is helpful is if when you book an appointment you advise them that you have a lot to discuss and you will often get a double appointment or a follow up one. It also helps if you go in with a positive attitude and willingness to listen to our advice. After all I would like to think that my 10 years of initial study, 30 years of daily experience, continuous professional development and long working hours would give me a better insight into your symptoms than a few Google/Wikipedia searches.

Thirdly, I have regularly encouraged OTC medication IF I feel it is research and evidence based. In fact we have more of a problem with people who expect a prescription because it is 'free". Free for them maybe, but for the NHS it costs about £12 for every item I prescribe.

Which leads me nicely on to my next point. We DO NOT get money based on prescriptions we write and in fact are penalised heavily if we over prescribe many medications, especially antibiotics. Our biggest problem is trying to convince people that the cough they woke up with this morning is NOT pneumonia/a chest infection and that unfortunately we don't have a magic wand to "make it better/go away before I go on holiday tomorrow"!.....and I won't even begin to tell you about the problems we have with resistance to antibiotics which means they don't work as well anymore because they have been overused in the past.

Finally, we regularly get 'kicked up the arse' by 'raging, sweating, aching perimenopausal women' and will do our very best to understand that the reason you might be that way is because you are suffering with symptoms that are affecting your life. We WILL do blood tests to ensure it is nothing more serious and to identify deficiencies in certain vitamins and minerals (although please note, there is not a definitive test for all women to diagnose perimenopause we get far more information from listening to you calmly explaining your symptoms and how severely these are affecting you) and we will then recommend the most appropriate management for you personally based on lots of other factors in order to keep you safe whilst hopefully addressing all of your symptoms. Sometimes this takes time to personalise your care and may require some follow up visits.

Please think before you tar all clinicians with your extremely personal and biased brush. Do not make accusations you cannot uphold and as my mother would say "if you can't say anything nice, don't waste valuable breath and other people's time!"

There that's better! I think it's going to be a good day today! (Time to take MY Menopace I think).