Migraines being *caused* by bouncy feelings?

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I was just thinking, to people who have MAV who have a feeling of being "bouncy" or floaty, like on a boat (where your eyes take in second to catch up to where you head is pointed) - could the overuse of your eyes trying to keep you balanced/steady be CAUSING the migraines? Just a thought, thinking outside of the box.

Professionals, care to comment?

But then, what else would cause the bouncy feeling? Maybe I am missing something?

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    I also feel the bouncing sensation and the neurologist says it is probably migrainous vertigo. The vestibular rehab puts it right and then it comes back. I don't feel I have had a migraine and I only have had the aura. How do I orevent this happening? Is there any medication or alternative therapy. I have not had a wobble free day for twelve months now?'
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    Hey! I am going threw the exact same thing you are.. I've been dealing with the dizziness, lightheadedness, headaches for 7 straight months. I'm curious of how it all started for you..I'm 32 years old and never had dizziness or any of the symptoms ever in the past. Last mid September I had a real bad sinus cold. A few days after those symptoms passed I got hit out of no where with a huge blast of dizziness and almost dropped me to the ground.. Ever since then constant dizziness and headaches.. What's your story?
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      My problem started with a migraine aura - no headache- and I have only had a few of these, very intermitnetly, through my life.  I then woke up seven days later and saw double for a second or two.  I lost my balance and my eyes felt stiff and strained.  I have been having physiotherapy ever since, both gaze stabilisation and physical exerciese based on tai chi.  My balance improved, I was nearly ok then it came back.

      I have never felt sick or a spinning sensation, but i get dizzy if i look down.  I have now got the bouncy head and wobbly legs, though it is improving, if only temporarily.  I take anti anxiety medication which I think helps but nothing else does.  I am trying a gluten free, alcohol free, chocolate free diet and hoping for results but I am not holding my breath. Meditation and relaxation does help, though.

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      Hi. I am on month 18! Yikes. I cannot even remember NOT having the bouncing vision. At first I thought it was anxiety (everyone told me that) until I went to the ENT and I had a calorics test which showed I have barely any vestibular-eye coordination (72% deficit, both ears). Google "retinal slip" and that will explain it. My actual vertigo started about a month before that, with BPPV, which finally, after the right person did an Epley maneuver correctly, went away. I read that an inner ear "assault" such as BPPV. Meniere's, or neuritis can bring upon MAV, especially if you've had migraines in the past. The current theory is that your brain stem (V5 nerve?) gets overexcited, which causes frequesnt migraines, and the excitement confuses the vestibular system, and your eyes get weird interpretations of those signals. Best thing is to prevent the migraines, and the dizziness and eye symptoms should go away.

      Vestibular rehab exercises and Tai Chi! are supposed to help with the symptoms, but they haven't done much for me yet. Do you have after-images (palinopsia) and oscillopsia (bouncing vision)? Those are my major things that are making me lose my balance. In fact, when I close my eyes and do the sitting, gaze exercises (moving hed up and down and side to side while focusing on an obect in the room), I am not dizzy or off-balance at all. But in everyday life, I have this 24/7, for 18 months now. I just read last night a good description of it (you can google the authors and keyword oscillopsia):

      "For those who experience this symptom, we know that when we try and fixate on an object, it won't stay still and our gaze is unstable. Its hard to focus on something that is at a distance. Carefully reading the following two journal articles, it appears that this is a symptom of hyper-excitability of the visual cortex area V5 in the brain.

      The article by Suzuki et al. (2004) measures the differences in brain blood flow/activity between a patient experiencing the oscillopsia without nystagmus compared to 6 other healthy individuals. The area of the brain in the Visual Cortex 'V5' for visual motion processing appears to light up for the patient when watching stationary dots, however did not for the other healthy individuals. Both the patient and healthy participants had both light up when watching moving dots. This demonstrates that this V5 area is "hyper-excited" due to being triggered by a migraine or dysfunction in the brain."

      The second article by Jacome (2013) suggests that this oscillopsia is from a persistent migraine aura and the patient was treated successfully through Topiramate 50MG twice daily, which has proven to suppress excitability in other various studies. The patient unfortunately didn't undergo any further tests like TMS or MRI to verify persistent migraine aura's typical hyperactivity, however it seems that this is the likely cause of it due to the evidence of V5 hyperactivity found by Suzuki (2004).

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    I'm 36 and having the same symptoms, mine started with a migraine with aura a few days layer a bad sinus infection and bronchitis, very little relief!!! I've been put on lyrica which I can't take because of the terrible side effects, it makes me feel like a zombie and I have to work, I'm going for PT next week for the vertigo , I'm just praying for some sort of relief, this has been so frustrating!!!! Does it ever end?
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    I used to get migraines and now when I get a headache it will move from the front to the side and all around picking different areas in my head to hurt. I have been light headed for 5 yrs non stop so I wish the doctor here and others could tell me that if it is a vestibular migraine would the lightheaded feeling be with you all the time? Also can he recommend any good docs in NY or long Island?
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      Have you tried preventatives like Nortrptaline or Effexor(sp?). I am in upstate NW, so sorry, I cannot recommend anyone downstate. I think once the migraines are under control, you won't have the light-headedness anymore. Best doctor to see is a neuro-ophtahalmologist. There are many around NYC and Long Isalnd, google to find one near you. Good luck!
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    No, vertigo is a symptom, not a trigger. Triggers cause episodes of migraine and MAV. Every person differs in what their trigger(s) is/are. Migraine is a neurological disease. There are different types of migraine that have particular symptoms, such as vertigo for vestibular migraine or temporary paralysis for hemiplegic migraine, and there are symptoms, such as yawning or nausea or pins-and-needles, that can be for any type of migraine. The four phases of migraine are prodrome, aura, headache, and postdrome (a.k.a migraine hangover), and any phase can be skipped (such as migraine without aura skipping the aura phase or silent migraine skipping the headache phase).

    My trigger is light, so things like too much scrolling on a computer/tablet/phone screen and too much typing on an on-screen keyboard on a tablet/phone can cause an episode of MAV, which is different from an actual migraine. Things like fluorescent lights and sunlight can cause a migraine episode in me (as can the previously-mentioned scrolling/typing, but more often than not these days that just triggers MAV).

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      I was just thinking outloud and wanted to get some ideas. I've had migraines for year, then they stopped, then the dizziness (not vertigo) started up in Nov 2014. My neuro-op says there is no reason for the dizziness, so thought maybe the dizziness was causing the migraines (some pain, always auras). He doesn't think it's MAV, but I do.
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      I would get a second opinion. Of course there's a reason for the vertigo, whether or not it is migraine (though it certainly sounds like it, especially since you get auras)!
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      Yes, it is frustrating. He meant no obvious reason, like being hit on the head, having had an infection in my inner ears, having taken "mycin" vestibular-toxic drugs, or LSD. He said my palinopsia is usually seen for those reasons. The fact that I have low VOR, palinopsia, and oscillopsia tell us it's brain-related. He tells me it could be from diabetes (neuropathy of the vestibular nerve) but he's mot convinced and I think that's a stretch. My diabetes is under control and this came on so suddenly, when the migraines resurfaced after years of having been gone (no prior dizziness then). Thanks wink. He did give me MgO, so maybe he thinks migrains are a possibility (but then I ordered some chelated Mg instead!).
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    Went to my GP yesterday , she seems to think that my dizziness/vertigo is thyroid related. Soooo medication change again to synthroid and a anti anxiety medication.
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      That's good, I guess. It's easily fixed if that's the problem!

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