My Experience - 7 Weeks After Nhs Halo And Haemorrhoidectomy

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I am a 49-year old male and had stage 3 piles for about 5 years. They never really caused me any pain or suffering per se but were an inconvenience. I had been to my GP ages ago to make sure it wasn't anything serious. Towards the end of 2009 I decided to see what options I might have for sorting them out as I figured I wouldn't want them to get worse and despite being fit and healthy and eating well, they had not gone away of my own accord.

I went to my GP and she did a digital exam and said they were very small - didn't seem like it to me - she said she could refer me if I wanted but I declined. A few weeks later I figured I was copping out and returned to get a referral. I went to see a consultant locally who got me to come back for banding. This was very easy and though it was a bit uncomfortable I was optimistic that it would sort it all out. It didn't - even though it seemed like it would work it in fact made no difference whatsoever. I returned to him and he said he would try the schlerotherapy and another banding as they were quite big and the portable banding machine wasn't up to it. Again nothing really changed.

I read all these forums and was in two minds like so many others whether to pursue it any more. After all I was not in pain per se and clearly some people have really awful experiences, sometimes made worse by the tteatment - I knew I certainly didn't want anything slicing off! I read up what I could about HALO but it seemed to be mainly sales pitch. I decided to see the consultant again and ask him about it. He said he didn't know anything about it but his next step would be banding under GA and he was confident that would do it.

For one reason or another I wasn't convinced and so I called the HALO people and found out where there was locally that did it. They also told me how much it would cost privately (?3k+) but that with a referral I could probably get it on the NHS. A few weeks later I had a session with a consultant who explained the whole thing - also diagnosing a polyp as well as piles - which would never have responded to banding so I was glad to have taken the 2nd opinion. Anyway he put me on the waiting list for a polyp exision and possible HALO.

Time came around in about 6 weeks and I went into hospital for the first time in my life to have day surgery. I was apprehensive but quite positive. The whole experience was very reassuring - the staff were great and I felt very cared for and the surgeon was friendly and explained things. I signed on the dotted line, had my pre-med and felt the curtains close

Woke up feeling fine about 30 mins later. The surgeon explained to my surprise and a bit of shock that they had had to cut a large pile off so I might have a longer recovery time than expected (he had said at least 2 weeks for HALO and up to 10 for pilectomy). That concerned me a bit, espceially when the nurse brought my meds to take home - 3 types of opioid painkiller, 2 types of laxative and some antibiotics. I got the impression they were trying to tell me something. I stayed about 2 hours to satisfy them I'd had a wee, eaten and drunk some fluids etc and got my wife to pick me up.

Felt pretty OK generally even with after effects of the GA - ate and drank lightly and feared the first pooh which came 2 days after the op. Uncomfortable certainly but not especially painful. The absolute best thing after each BM was a nice warm shower spray for a few minutes which really soothed the bruised feeling. This got better over the next 7 to 10 days. I work from home so was fortunate that I didn't need to take time off per se after the first day getting my head clearer but I wouldn't have wanted to have to commute or be away from home.

There were some bad bits but not what I would have expected. The worst bit by far, and it was _horrible_ was the antibiotic (metronidazole)- I had to take it for 5 days and didn't realise what a nasty drug it is (check it out on ****)- around day 3 I was finding alternate nights of complete insomnia, nausea, sweating and a really depressing state of mind feeling like I would never get better. I googled all the meds and realised it was the AB and that these were fairly common side-effects. If I had had a longer run of them I would have asked to change but I figured I would see them out. It was awful and I did have another day off cos I just felt so damn bad from them. My advice here - don't just take what is given to you and not check it out - be aware of what has been prescribed (in fairness they did say thatsome of the meds could give nausea, constipation etc but I didn't expect this one to be so heavy).

The other downside was the laxative - I should have had clearer instructions. You definitely want to make sure you have soft stools etc and are acutely aware that what you eat has to come out the other end - soups, bran flakes, porridge etc are great for this. However if you just take teh laxatives as prescribed - and you are not already constipated (I am always regular)- then they will just play havoc and have you very windy (which also seems to come from the GA gases) and farting all the time with a sore anus is quite painful/uncomfortable in itself (esp if you're not too sure what might be coming down the pipes!) It kept me awake a bit.

What I should have thought with the meds from teh starts is - take them /if/ needed (except see below)

So I had been prescribed metronidazole as mentioned - I took that for the 5 days. I had 3 painkillers - Tramadol which I didn't bother taking, Codrydamol, I took a couple but then didn't bother (and my wife used them all up on migraines!) and Diclofenac - this last one I should have taken all the time but didn't. It is an anti-inflammatory and because I didn't bother with it I think I put myself back a couple days with a very sore and inflamed bottom - so this one I would say take as a matter of course (and I didn't have any side effects). For laxatives I had lactulose syrup and ispagel husks - both are palatable enough but as above I realised after a coupe of days that I probably didn't need them.

All told I was not incapacitated at all. It took a good week to not be too worried about the next BM. After that it just was a process of it getting better every day. The main thing was that the prolapsing piles/polyp were gone and that was a great relief. Had a check up last week and I would say I now feel 100% down there and no concerns at all.

I am very pleased I went ahead with it - I had overcome embarrassment about it ages ago and plain speaking is all that is needed - my reticence had been around being \"operated\" on but that all went very smoothly. I know there are some horror stories on here where people say that the op is worse than the piles but I am sure that complications are in the minority and I would not hesitate in recommending anyone suffering and holding back, check out a good consultant and have it all sorted out. I was glad I had it sorted out when I was fit and in good shape - I think that plays a big part in making the op run smoothly and the caring for oneself that much easier. If was old, infirm or very overweight I think it would be harder. Weight wise I had lost nearly 3 stone over the last 18 months and again I think that helped keep recuperation short.

If, and I hope they don't, recur then I would happily go down the same route again. I hope this story helps others.

Mr Relieved of Surrey

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    Hi guys ,

    Today I'm feeling better I've had a day of work/I've started doing acupuncture for piles yoga and cycling I've been taking the pile supplements and I'm going to the doctors tomorrow for a gastroenterologist referral I've been taking fibre daily and washing after BM with salt water and applying preparation H to the area daily the external piles and bleeding has stopped but I know it will happen again .

    It's frightening even thought the surgeon has assured me I just have a few bleeding internal piles ,I've had a colonoscopy and it's fine and a halo for piles do u guys think the bleeding could be anything else my surgeon assures me its piles

    • Posted

      Hi Mia , you seem in better spirits today , glad you're feeling a bit better . Your surgeon is likely right enough about the piles bleeding , only other thing that would bleed there as I said before is a fissure . I think any visit to the toilet , that isnt relatively soft will likely give you a little bleed for a while now , especially after what you've been through Mia .
    • Posted

      Hi sore butt,

      Wouldn't my surgeon of these seen these when he put the proctoscope up to check my piles of it was a fissure because I have asked.

      Best ,

      Mia

    • Posted

      Hi Mia , hope your still improving . Not sure how obvious they are , until they actually bleed . They are just tiny cuts / tears . And I'm not sure if the doctors would actually be too concerned about fissures anyway , as they are more of an inconvenience than an issue that needs medical attention .
    • Posted

      Dear sore butt,

      So today I found out I have the same pile from last week it was external last week but now it's shrunk a lot and is kind of inside my anus I had a look at it today as I could feel something in my anus today the pike appears to have two small white spots on it they feel rather hard and rough to the touch I think the pike has developed calluses to protect its self when I bleed I've been washing it with salt water then applying preparation H a doctor steroid cream or sudo cream it doesn't seem to be disappearing I really don't want to have more surgery what else can I try to skink it ?...

    • Posted

      Hi Mia , I'm not so sure there is anything you can do yourself to shrink it . There are a few things you can do that might minimise the chances of it flaring up , but i think sometimes , if theyre going to flare up , theres little we can do , other than avoiding foods that aggravate it , keeping it clean , avoiding constipation , and also adjusting your sitting position on the toilet . I think I may be in the same position as you just now , with a pile that wont go . I am going to ask for another series of THD to try and target that particular one , and maybe a couple of bandings at the same time , because I refuse to go through that hell again . Usually on a THD they can locate about 6 or 7 arteries , and crop them off , so just need to hope they hit the right one . its catch 22 , I cant go thro that op again , but then again i cant just leave it the way it is .
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      Hi Mia,

      Before I had my HALO op, my piles developed small white spots. The GP said they were infected and prescribed the cream you would use for thrush/yeast infections. He also said that if you use the haemorrhoid creams a lot, you can get allergic reactions like the little white spots. To shrink the pile I think all you can do is try to eat healthily, take gentle exercise and rest - and be patient, they can take ages to shrink. 

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      dear Little miss RC I use loads of pile cream to try shrink them your right it could be a allergic reaction to the cream but the white spots are a little bit hard and quiet annoying around my anus and feels uncomfortable 😥.

      Today I bought a ice pile thing from boots you freeze it for two hours then apply it to the pile it's cryo therapy is meant to cool the pike down so they fall of hopefully it works I will let you know in 7 days in weds I have an appointment to have the external one checked its shrinking so I may have to root round a bit to show my doctor

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    had thd with mucopexy done exactly two weeks ago. a few days ago, i noticed my bum hurt worse and had prolapse almost as bad as before. i noticed what appears to be a new internal hemorrhoid that looks raw and red at the end (maybe this is one that had been stitched up?) and a couple smaller external hemorrhoids that had never been there before. i've stayed away from straining, taking the exact amount of laxatives and fiber as recommended (there was only one incidence of straining and my bum looked and felt exactly as it had prior to this new incidence). i have a follow up appt in two weeks since my doctor is out of the office until then. i have been in panic mode for the past few days and though my doctor says this is a normal part of the healing process, i don't understand how it could have happened overnight from neat and tidy to worse than before. can anyone give me any advice or hope that this will get better? 
    • Posted

      Dear phillip,

      This is the exact same thing that happened to me I then experienced itching bleeding and like a bubble coming out of my bum for weeks after ! I went back to a and e who said it was a prolapse pile that hasn't healed and the operations hasn't been successful.

      When I went back to the surgeon he said it was successful and to still have bleeding after the surgery is normal !! I wasn't happy with this and have been referred to see someone in April to maybe have further surgery on the piles

      I don't know what to say it didn't work for me it healed but I still have a prolapsed bleeding pile !!!!!!!!! After all that pain

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      Hi Philip,

      If you only had your surgery two weeks ago you are still in such early stages. I found so soon after mine the same thing and that there seemed to be a lot of swelling after a bowel movement that stayed for some time with pain and bleeding.

      I'm now 2 months post surgery and everything is looking pretty good but still can get cross if I find the need to strain.

      I think it's very important to ween yourself off the laxatives and take some probiotic tablets and plenty of soluble fibre like flax seed to make your stomach health better and keep your bowel movements regular and soft without using laxatives. I found I still needed the prescribed stool softener for a while after surgery but refused to let myself take the laxatives as I think they cause more harm than good.

      Also to help you not strain, get a step to raise your feet when you have a bowel movement and lean forward. This puts your body in a more natural position for the movement and really does limit the strain.

      If you can do all this then the less pressure you put on it the more time you will give it to heal.

      My nurse at my follow up said it will take 6 months to be fully back to normal so relax and take care of yourself. Keep a good diet and bathe the area after a movement too to help soothe and kept the area clean.

      I hope you feel better soon.

      xxx

    • Posted

      Dear ouchies ,

      Has your bleeding now stopped ?...

      Thanks for your help over the past few months as well x

    • Posted

      Hi Mia,

      My bleeding pretty much stopped after 2 weeks. I have found that as soon as I have a day where I have to strain a little and clearly am not as well hydrated as I should be (and if I've had any alcohol the night before) then there is a little patch of blood beneath my bowel movement but nothing of significance.

      I think I've realised that this really is a lifetime thing and after surgery I just need to work really hard to make sure that I am doing the most I can to keep my gut healthy which will in turn keep my bottom healthy.

      I glad to hear you sounding happier and hope that even though you may need further surgery, that it's at least better than it was. I'm glad I was able offer you a little support and good luck with your onward journey.

      xxx

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      Oh ouchies ,

      You dont know how much you have helped me you are amazing person and hear I found support that I've never had with this issue you are all lovely to me thank you so much ❤️😘

    • Posted

      Aww, Mia, you are really sweet. I hope you get lots better. Let me know how you get on.

      xxx

    • Posted

      Dear ouchies ,

      Things seem to be getting better however I still experience some pain in my back passage for no reason I'm now four months post surgery did you have that feeling ?.

      Thanks ,

    • Posted

      Hello Mia and Ouchies , hope you are both doing ok . Not been around a while to see the progress . It seems that most people dont come through this op without some form of lasting side effect . Just need to hope we're the lucky ones ( eventually ) . Its nice to see that you both seeing signs of improvement  in some ways . I have been re-admitted to hospital 4 times since my op in january now , last time was to go back into theatre to see what had gone wrong . Time before that , kept in for 5 days . I now have to wait 3 months to go back in for 'corrective' surgery with a new consultant , take from that what you will . I hope things get better for you both , and everyone else who graces these message boards . Its a great place for people to get re-assurance from others , who are all in the same boat , and came through the same procedures . 
    • Posted

      Omg what happened why do u need corrective surgery ru ok ?

      Sending hugs and love x

    • Posted

      Hi Mia , I suspected at the time i was getting wrong treatment , and I did question the surgeon twice but was assured by him that he was right . After the surgery when things were starting to go wrong and I was re-admitted , another consultant suggested also that I had liikely had the wrong procedure , and that my surgeon had likely made things worse for me . The new consultant took me into theatre few weeks ago for exploratory , and said that he wanted to give me a corrective procedure once things had healed  , but then became reluctant to say the op was wrong . I'm not sure if I will go back into theatre again , as I have been through enough , and reluctant to risk any more . I will make a decision closer to the time when I have  better idea how much improvement I have . Otherwise I'm ok , pain has gone , only mild discomfort . Better off in some ways . How are you feeling now ? x  

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