New to Gilbert's and this site
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Hello there group,
I am very excited to find you all! For amore than 4 years now I have been working with many different doctors and specialists to try to find the root of my many symptoms, and I have recently received some lab work that suggests that I have Gilbert's Syndrome.
And it seems that all the puzzle peices fit!
My symptoms all seem to match up:
-IBS
-cold hands and feet
-Yellow eyes and skin
-Dark urine
I am particularily excited to find this group, as I am in univeristy for Physical Therapy and I have been assigned a project from my professor to join an online support group. I would love to join this group and become part of an active discussion about this little known condition.
I would love to hear your personal stories!
How did you all come to find your diagnosis of Gilbert's Syndrome?
Kindly,
Emily
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MikeG1980 EmilyandBilly
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I was diagnosed this time last year after seeing the doctor complaining of tiredness and aching that were out of proportion to my age/lifestyle/diet etc. He simply advised, after a sequence of bloodtests, that I had Gilberts. He followed it up since my Bilirubin was raised at the higher end of the range even for Gilberts. He advised that my exercise routine was the most likely cause of a spike, but it was simple and benign Gilberts and I shouldn't worry, 'the end'.
Then I linked my IBS symptoms to the Gilberts, and my skin/eye colour and the changes to that colour that happened from time to time.
I kept a diary for a few months rating the following; diet, water, sleep, exercise, achiness, tiredness, vitamin intake. My doctor advised that I limited my exercise regimen but I refused and still refuse to do this. I have since completed the New York marathon and I am training towards the London marathon in 8 weeks time. I have no plans to stop this, and in fact, I only decided to train for a marathon after my Gilberts diagnosis.
I have noticed some patterns with my management of the Gilberts in controlling the symptoms. These are anecdotal with no evidence base, but I will share for this discussion regardless.
SLEEP. I try and get 8 hours sleep a night, that said, with two young kids, it's not always straight forward! What I have noticed is that if I feel the need to nap or sleep, then I need to do it! I noticed that on a weekend, if I was tired and lethargic, a proper sleep in my bed really does the trick. My wife and kids simply have to accept that it's needed for my wellbeing.
DIET. I'm not the best at keeping a strict diet. Fats DO NOT agree with me and I have IBS symptoms. When i'm really good with sleep and diet and exercise, my IBS symptoms tend to go. I did start with milk thistle and felt it helped when my diet was poor, I also felt maybe they made me feel worse in other aspects so I have since stopped taking them and do not intend to start again. I'd prefer to keep a good diet and avoid the milk thistle. Hydration was massive for me, without realising, I was going a full day on maybe one drink. I ensure that I keep well hydrated and this has been the singlemost important change to my lifestyle since diagnosis. I find that keeping well hydrated has helped.
VITAMINS. I take Calcium and Magnesium in one vitamin tablet and also a B vitamin complex as a separate tablet. I feel that the B vitamins do have an effect.
EXERCISE. I have struggled a little with the balance of Gilbert's and fitness. Put simply, I have felt my very best when my fitness levels were at their max (and sleep/hydration/diet were okay). However, when I was building up my training, the achiness and tiredness from the training added to that from the Gilberts. I simply feel that high fitness levels are vitally important to me. The healthy lifestyle reduces stress and improves sleep quality, it also makes eating healthily more palatable (no pun intended).
WINTER. I don't know whether I simply suffer from seasonal affective disorder, but my symptoms recurred this Jan/Feb time. I reckon they are improving (psychosomatic maybe) in the knowledge that Spring is round the corner.
EAT BETTER, KEEP HYDRATED, SLEEP WHEN SLEEP IS REQUIRED, DON'T UNDERESTIMATE EXERCISE. Thats my advise anyway!
I hope you find my experience useful.
Mike
EmilyandBilly MikeG1980
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Thank you so much for your detailed reply. I do think that through open discussions like this is how we educate ourselves as patients!
I have also noticed that hydration makes a big difference for me, I am inclined to think that I drink more in the summer time, making me generally better hyrated.
I am also very physically active, and I do not want to give up what I find so much joy from. One thing that I have given up though is refined sugar.
I have been trying this just for about 3 weeks now, and i have got to say, I think it might actually be helping my IBS symptoms.
Have you ever noticed a connection between your surgar intake and your IBS, and general digestion?
stacy238 MikeG1980
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I am in a similar situation to you. I was diagnosed 7 months ago after having yellow eyes/skin and very tired.
In the last year I have increased my exercise and my distance when running.
I am training for a half marathon and over the last month struggling with health not only with GS but also had chest infection and then sinus infection a month later.
My family tell me I do too much but at the min I am undecided if I should continue the amount I am doing or if to slow down, the only problem is I feel worse when I can't exercise.
What are your thoughts?
Thanks
Stacy
MikeG1980 stacy238
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I think its a catch 22 to a small extent. Exercise and good physical fitness is proven to be beneficial for mental health, good sleep, general alertness etc etc. That said, when already struggling with tiredness and achiness, pushing yourself too hard can exacerbate the symptoms of Gilberts. Doing long endurance training can actually raise Bilirubin via exercise induced haemolysis, worsening symptoms assuming that Gilberts' symptoms are directly attributable to the Bilirubin level.
My personal experience is simple, when I'm marathon fit and able to do 15-20mile training runs, I feel the best I have felt for a long, long time. At the same time however, I sleep longer, eat better, hydrate more during these periods, so this may be just cause and effect.
I think it's very personal to the individual, so it's hard to advise. I'm a very competitive individual and have very different motivations than some on this site. My thoughts/advise however, would be the following:
1. Concentrate on optimising yourself; hydration, decent diet, vitamins as you decide necessary, decent sleep.
2. Don't reduce exercise if you feel better with it, listen to your body and not others. Keep up the training, and keep to a training programme for the half marathon.
3. Chest infection and sinus infection is likely to be due to seasonal timing and low immune system. I'm not sure this relates to GS or exercise at all. Assuming the above has subsided i'd ignore the relevance or otherwise of this.
I hope that some of the above advise may be interesting or relevant to you. I hope on a personal level that you continue running and develop it further, you'll be grateful for it in the long term i'm sure!!!!
Mike
HMWestover EmilyandBilly
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sinead73115 EmilyandBilly
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Literally crying reading all of your messages, I've had these symtoms for 5 years now and I only just got diagnosed today with Gilbert syndrome! ..it was only by accident that I found out whilst taking blood tests related to IBS, which I now know goes hand in hand with the syndrome.
I have never felt so relieved that it wasnt just me being lazy or being a hypercondriac.
I have always had drowsy episodes that would last for days/weeks and bouts of depression but it would come and go so often and be so inconsistent that its been so hard to pin point it to one thing, I just knew something wasnt right. I also get brain fog occasionally, feel irritable towards the people I love and find it hard to recall even recent memories.
Then for the last year or so (after starting my first major job after graduating = more stress than I was used to before) I have been suffering with IBS, and in the last few months my body seems to be rejecting foods related to wheat and lactose.
From all of your insights into your symptoms and ways of improving it I see that the only solution is trying live a normal healthy active lifestyle but its hard to cope when you are feeling low and tired.
I;m one of those people that forgets to drink enough water, so Im going to improve on keeping hydrated and eating less protein and more veg.
Have any of you also found that you have developed food intolerances that were not a problem before?
sheila4300 sinead73115
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Considering IBS, I don't really have it, but when my condition gets worse, I seem to have a hard time digesting anything.
I started to take Swedish bitters, works great. I also limit my sugar intake, that helped a lot, try to cook at home eat mainly organic whole foods. I also make my kefir and sauer kraut for probiotics. All this helps. Thried Milk Thistle, messed up my hormones majorly. And tried MSM, which should cleanse the liver, but turned back on my insomnia, so I stopped taking it even though I think it was working but it is not worth it if it keeps me up at night.
The main idea when it comes to GS is to releave the liver from being over burdened by having to process any type of chemicals, preservatives, alcohol, sugar, etc.
kaya06 EmilyandBilly
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Anyways, after years of successive failure to cure it we came along this doctor who finally shed some light on my condition. He said it was GS and there is no treatment for it and finally my mum stopped trying so hard. I was a kid back then, so I didn't take it seriously. But now that I am an adult and I know I should live with this whole my life, it really bugs me.
Like some of you, I feel tired/ lazy most of the time. I also get this seasonal depression when its winter (not sure if its related). I am allergic to coffee and cheese ( they give me mind fog) which I avoid at any cost. My hands and feet are cold most of the times. idk if its just me but whenever I apply heavy makeup or anything heavier than a mascara on my upper lids, I instantly get mind fog, eyes becomes more yellow and it lasts whole day. So I avoid it now. Same when I am stressed, get less sleep or if I catch cold/fever, etc.
BTW I'm interested to know one thing. I am really wanting to become fit as I am overweight but I worry my bilirubin level might go high (which means more yellow eyes) if I join gym and stuff. Because I have noticed that the yellowness of my eyes darkens if I exercise intensely ( it happened when I tried jogging and I had to stop it) . has anyone experienced this? Should I do only light exercises ?
sheila4300 kaya06
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anthonyk777 EmilyandBilly
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Hi everyone,
I have been monitoring all groups and all information avaiable on the web regarding GS as i have been diagnosed with it when i was 15 years old but havent had my say yet. I am now 28 so i have been living with all the symptoms everyone has been reporting even before i was 15. My doctors back then believed it was asymptomatic and they say the same to me now. In recent years my unconjugated bilirubin is over 50 mg/dL which has promt me to go privately and seek further help and finally i have found a liverspecialist who has diagnosed me with Crigler Najar Syndrome type 2( Arias Sydrome) which is refered to as GS's big brother.
The specialist has put me on a phenobarbital treatment 30 mg 3 times a day we will monitor it and see how it goes. From my research GS's sufferres have been prescribed with these and i knew this existed long before i went to a liver specialist.
Something that i have found to have greatly helped me which is guaranteed to help everyone is Sunlight, stress free, enviroment, protein rich food with vegetables and greens, and lots of water. For sunlight i cant emphasise it enough as i have lived in the UK and Cyprus and have been back and forth and have found when i am in Cyprus i feel great, but when i come to the UK i feel sh*t. Sry for the expression. Hope you all feel well, do not neglect your GS, Crigler it isnt asymptomatic. It is not life threatening but it can keep you back in life as insomina, fatigue, stomach cramps, cold hands and feet, the yellowness takes over may aspects of our lifes.
samantha65766 EmilyandBilly
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Hi
I went for blood tests last week as not been feeling myself went today for results and he says i have gs dont worry its fine nothing can be done and its life long come back in 4 to 6 week's for repeat bloods
Im in shock but dont know much so im abit lost any help ideas advice please
Thanks sam
anthonyk777 samantha65766
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Samantha have you ever noticed heavy yellowness in your eyes or in your pee especially in the morning prior to the doctors saying you have GS which promtpted you to have it checked?
For doctor to be able to 100% say you have GS they have to go through a checklist and make sure they have crossed all other options. For example did they make you have a liver fuction test and did they perform ultrasound on your gastrointestinal area to see that everything is in good shape.. Determining GS is not as ez as a single blood test and it is never definite unless you have a genetic test.
I have been living with high unconjugated bilirubin since 15 with no treatment so dont worry you will be fine. But take steps to improve all aspects of your life as we with GS get tired easily cant exert our selves to much. Stop drinking alcohol, stop smoking if you are, eat small portions of food healthy or unhealthy!! i cant stop eating what gives me pleasure
Exercise and gets lots of sleep! Now saying all this might seem simple i know its not that easy but dont let any pressure, anxiety get to you as this only makes it worse.
Let me know if you need anything else.
samantha65766 anthonyk777
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Thank you so much for your reply
Literally just a blood test so ive rang drs to get another doctor to call and explain as I was shocked no yellowish in eye's
Just not feeling myself tierd dizzy and feeling utterly drained just waiting on gp to call to discuss more
Thank you
annmarie1161 EmilyandBilly
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Can someone describe the IBS symptoms associated with GS? My son has had two elevated bilirubin tests (1.8 & 1.5). I am inquiring with the doctor about additional liver function tests and upper GI ultrasound to help confirm GS. I am not aware of any IBS issues he's having, but not sure what to look for, and this seems to be a common symptom. What seems to be persistent/ongoing is an allergy type cough, does anyone else experience this?
-AnnMarie
Meangirls83 EmilyandBilly
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anthonyk777 Meangirls83
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Eat regularly, small meals! Almost all people are lactose intolerant and not all dairy products are suitable for our digestion system especially milk.
If you do have GS it means you had it all your life you might have just never showcased any symptoms until you immune system was low which maybe triggered it.
If you feel your diet is not healthy you should make changes to it.
Meangirls83 anthonyk777
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