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NLP - Neuro-linguistic programming

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tina58520
tina58520

Hi everyone,

I have just had a one hour session at home with my CFS/ME specialist therapist, whereby she skyped a lady who had M.E. for 46 years and apparently made a full recovery, and has just come back from China climbing mountains.  How did she do it I hear you ask?  Well apparently she went on NLP and over a course of time, and using the tools given to her, the body healed itself. 

I must admit it was interesting to listen to her.  She told me she had M.E. since the age of 13 and had it for 46 years at all sorts of levels ranging from mild to very severe (bedridden).  She now feels totally engergised and living life to the full.  She believes when people say there is no cure, this means no medication or magic pill to cure you.  She is confident that the M.E. has gone for good and she is not in a stage of remission.  My therapist tells me she is trying to get a course local to my area and thinks it would be good for me to go.

Has anyone heard of this programming, and know of other people who have allegedly been cured.  What do you all think about M.E. can be cured?  Would love to hear from you all with your thoughts and opinions.

Thanks

Tx

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  • georgeGG
    georgeGG tina58520

    Posted

    Yes, but you have to remove the causes, pace yourself thoroughly and be given hugh amounts of support. Please see my testemony. It is on five different threads in this Dicussion Group. My method was hit and miss. A prgramme or method might suit people far better and take a shorter time.
    • tina58520
      tina58520 georgeGG

      Posted

      Hi thanks for this.  I am getting varying feedback and I will be very careful.  I find it very difficult to pace at the best of times, (my nature like so many of us I would guess), as we probably all very committed hard working individuals. 

      Tx

  • Fidd
    Fidd tina58520

    Posted

    Some people get better, but there's no good evidence that any particular treatment helps. NLP is pretty rediculous even by the low standards often used for CFS. Was it an NHS CFS specialist who was acting like this? Sounds quite unethical to me.
    • tina58520
      tina58520 Fidd

      Posted

      Hi, it was a specialist therapist CFS/ME who came to see me and apparently they are now being trained in NLP, and the therapist is using this lady who states she is rid of M.E as basically a statement that you can be cured.  I did question it when we were skyping, like there is no cure as such (remission), as that is what I have found most people saying and I was told no cure means no magic pill or potion to make it better.  I am going in with my eyes wide open if the programme does get to run in this area.

      Thanks

      Tx

    • Fidd
      Fidd tina58520

      Posted

      That's interesting. I would recommend you keep records about what you're told about all this, as it sounds rather outside of legitimate medicine to me, and could be something others should be warned about. Good luck.
    • GeorgiaS
      GeorgiaS tina58520

      Posted

      Tina I've come across so many outrageous claims that I've ended up really cynical and barely believing anything anymore. I know certain things can help but we have to be so wary because most of them just want our money. It's so sad that human beings can rip sick people off like this and make us lose our hope of recovery or just a better quality of life.

      I must say I still have hope but mostly in myself and other ME sufferers. Perhaps they've done me a favour! razz

    • tina58520
      tina58520 Fidd

      Posted

      I will go in with eyes wide open, don't worry, I have heard and read all comments with interest.  Not until end of year though, thanks x
  • olivetree
    olivetree tina58520

    Posted

    Tina,

    As soon as I read your post my gut reaction was like steer clear but I checked it out anyway and it whiffs of dog poo in shiney paper to me. I've had exposure to that flavour before and personally I wouldn't trust whatever is lurking behind it.

    See what the skeptic's dictionary has to say:

    skepdic.com/neurolin.html

    The programme uses things like hypnosis and mind control which I would be very suspicious of on it's own but that also is suggesting that ME is in the mind. That may be the old school of thought but we now know that it is not the case and ME is a physical illness.

    How do we know this lady is genuine? And even if she did recover from ME was it the programme alone or was she also simultaniously pacing and resting? People can also recover that way too. 

    I hope you find my reflection helpful and all the best.

     

  • alison44235
    alison44235 tina58520

    Posted

    What is NLP? Please explain
    • Fidd
      Fidd alison44235

      Posted

      Neuro-Linguistic Programming.

      It's something that was popular with con artists, sales people and politicians in the nineties. There was never any good evidence to show it was of value for anything other than boosting the confidence of smarmy wannabe manipulators.

    • caitlin39841
      caitlin39841 alison44235

      Posted

      it's difficult to explain NLP concisely in a few words . N=Neuro - the mind. L = linguistics - the language we choose to use. P= Programming - programming the mind to work positively in a persistent, pro-active 'can do' manner. it has taken aspects from a number of other schools of psychology such as Aaron Becks cognitive psychology CBT, aspects of the Behavorists approach, the work of Carl Rogers, Fritz Perls and Virginia Satir etc. even Naom Chomsky gets his name in there. it works strongly with the senses, as it's with the senses we experience & make sense of the world.

      The title, coined by Bandler and Grinder, broadly denotes the view that a person is a whole mind-body system with patterned connections between internal experience (`neuro' ), language (`linguistic' ) and behaviour (`programming' ). there are some good and versatile, usable techniques in there that can be used in everyday situations like 'anchoring' etc. it's widely used in the sales wor & corporate and training instituitions. it can be miss used too as by my GP. have a google Alison. mine's a lay person's effort at explaining it.

    • caitlin39841
      caitlin39841 alison44235

      Posted

      think the moderator is picking on me. this is her 2nd grab...........it's not fair............yikes.
    • andrew22534
      andrew22534 caitlin39841

      Posted

      Its sort of used in Athletics and sport in general, being given the awful title positve mental atitude. The mind is a powerful tool but the illness has to be mentally treatable for the mind to work. Training harder and smarter selling by getting the buyer to believe etc are other things it does it is very easy to missuse and the missuser becomes smarmy very quickly or just appears to be an idiot............... I use PMA and Mindfulness a lot however sadly i aint better yet... I think becasue of my athletics backgound i often do too much and that is a whole other trap to fall into..
    • GeorgiaS
      GeorgiaS caitlin39841

      Posted

      Don't worry Caitlin, the crazy system picks on us all. It's not the mods because it occurs instantly. It's the website protocol when we say particular words in particular orders.

      It's the mods when they review it and then don't allow it.

    • GeorgiaS
      GeorgiaS andrew22534

      Posted

      Andrew the only things that keep me going are herbs and food because this is a very physical disease.
    • GeorgiaS
      GeorgiaS

      Posted

      Meant to say 'healthy food', why can't we edit yet??? Haven't enough people told you mods that we need to edit.
    • andrew22534
      andrew22534 GeorgiaS

      Posted

      Me too in that i dailytake a range of herbs vits oils and CoQ10 etc then mentally push myself on...they are my two main crutches... ah well back to bed...
    • IngeniumSingula
      IngeniumSingula caitlin39841

      Posted

      I've been a bad girl too!!!  I think they've tightened up on some of the things we can mention. 
    • lizziewizzie
      lizziewizzie Fidd

      Posted

      great summary...i did go along to a public session as i do believe in mind over matter....but it came across as a licence to insult !
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