Perimenopause and SEVERE joint pain - any one else??
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I am 50 and have been in perimenopause for some time. I just wanted to post here to see if anyone else has suffered extreme joint pain as a result of fluctuating estrogen.
Quick history: regular as clockwork from the age of 13 - up to and after the two pregnancies in my thirties.Then aged 47 I started to get very heavy and irregular periods. Then I went for six months with no period at all, then two very scant light periods in quick succession. I have had nothing now for two months but I do feel as if it might happen soon as sore boobs etc.
I have never had a hot flush. I do however have lots of other peri symptoms, including insomnia, heart palpitations and skipped beats, and a strange 'rushing' or whooshing feeling which starts in the abdomen which I think is an 'adrenal' surge. I also have other vague and odd symptoms, dry eyes and inside my nose, and a really vile taste in my mouth sometimes - I mean really vile, like a chemical taste, unrelated to anything I have eaten. I also have odd tingling skin sometimes, which I can only describe as feeling like 'cold' sunburn!
However, about the joint pain. Three months ago I literally woke up one morning with a sore left arm/elbow. Over a few days, the pain then moved into my shoulders, and I got really worried as if was incredibly painful, and showed no signs of going away, it just got worse and worse. It is worse in the morning when I wake up, I am as stiff as a board. It is on my mind 24/7. Doing normal things is almost impossible - I have problems carrying shopping, drying my hair,walking the dog, driving...everything seems to hurt . I have never suffered from arthritic pain, and I went to the doctor thinking I had some awful bone disease, or even polymyalgia. I was told I had nerve pain!! The GP was terrible and made me feel like a hypochondriac and it was all in my mind. I was told I had good range of movement, and no inflammation. But I am in agony, and i am not imagining it.I made the mistake of asking Dr.Google too, which is never a good idea as I scared myself half to death. I never even thought it could be related to hormones or menopause, as the pain was just SO bad and I had never heard of joint pain being a symptom.I mean I have read than meno can be bad for some women, and I expected hot flushes etc, but I didnt realise it meant pain like this.
Anyway - for the last few weeks I have been having worsening pain which has spread from left elbow and both shoulders, into left hip, both elbows and now my knees. All my joints are cracking and popping loudly and even my husband can hear the awful grating in my neck and my knees....I sound like a one man band as I go up and down the stairs!
I went In for my three yearly Cervical smear on Monday, and could hardly get up on the examining couch I was so stiff and sore. Womans health is dealt with by the Nurse Practitioners in our large practice (15 GP's) and when the NP saw my discomfort she asked me what was wrong. It turns out she has a real interest in womens health, and has been involved in HRT trials and research for many years. She informed me that my symptoms all point to fluctuating estrogen, and possible thyroid involvement. She told me a load of stuff about estrogen and cartilage, dry mucosa etc, the details of which I can't remember now but which made so much sense when she explained it - even down to the foul taste and tingling skin I have also experienced on and off for months which are both known side effects of estrogen surge as the ovaries go a bit haywire. Asmall percentage of women are very receptive to estrogen fluctuations which involve cartilage, which mainly manifest as abnormally severe joint pain/menopausal arthritis but it is not an 'obvious' symptom of perimenopause.
I asked why the GP was no help, and she just raised her eyebrows when I told her which male GP it was, and told me to make another appointment as soon as possible with a specific GP (who must be more knowledgeable about womens health.) Going in tomorrow to see her.
I can't do HRT as I have a heart condition, but maybe I can do estrogen cream, or phytoestrogen/soy.) It could last for a long time I guess until I come out the other side !
So i have not yet been diagnosed, but it sounds like it could be caused by estrogen. Sorry this has been so long....but anyone else out there feel the same way I do???
Lesley.
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daisyh
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your old what more can i say....... i have bladder issues as well.... they say drink plenty of fluid which is ok if theres a bathroom handy ....... i dont sleep well either as im in and out of bed all night..... i might as well sleep in the loo...... anyone else getting stabbing pain in the gentital area?
pia1
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heather99die
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What a relief it is to discover this forum. I am 47 and going through the menopause. I haven't had a period for almost a year now. The hot flushes are terrible as they wake me up but thankfully I don't sweat too much woth them and have found sage tablets to have lessened them. My problem is the extreem joint pain, I can hardly close my fingers in the morning and have to physically bend my fingers slowly to get them moving. The pain is now in my whole body. I have suffered with back pain all my life so have just thought my back condition is getting worse but after reading your post I believe it's all down to my hormones! I have also been feeling very low & have feelings of panick too but presumed it was due to not taking my pain killers (tramacet) every day as this only helps my back pain and not my joint pain. .My doctor is great and has referred me to see my rheumatologist again as I have an auto immune disorder, low platelets and low white blood cells. My doctor is happy to put me on HRT but as I have been slim all my life and only put on a few pounds since menopause, I am wondering if their is a side effect of weight gain on HRT, could anyone advise me?
pia1
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tania63
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Thought I was going mad. It has made such a difference to find this thread and read all of your posts today. It has made the pain bearable - currently left ankle (last week it was my right index finger!).
I don't feel guilty for needing an afternoon nap now!
james164
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My wife has been suffering from similar joint pain. Our doctor told us it was to do with inflamation around here knee joint that was causing the problem. After a little research we found some supplements that reduced swelling around the joints.
We used a supplement from nutriplusdirect .com but I am sure there are others on line.
From my limited knowledge, MSM helps equalise the pressure inside and outside cell walls allowing fluid to pass through the cell and out of the join. Less inflamation = less pain and discomfort.
Any way we are trying these joint pain supplements and we will see how it goes.
Thanks
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Pnuts_Mom
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I wrote in back in April about briefing 51 with increasingly bad joint pain--- hands/feet, wrists, shoulders, neck, knees, etc! Negative for RA, bloodwork fine, everything good, but cyclic pain during the month. Seems to follow estrogen cycle... worse around start of cycle, best (least amt of pain) around day 14 when highest estrogen. Rheumatogist was no help. My OBGYN is listening, but says I shouldn't go on HRT yet because I still have periods. She wants to first put me on birth control... Which is BOTH estrogen and progesterone. She says I can go on HRT (which is estrogen only) later. LESLIE and OTHERS, what to you think of that strategy?? Like Leslie, I explained to my OBGYN, I just want to try it to see if joint pain improves, then at least we can prove it's the low estrogen that's the cause!! Thx for you feedback all. -K in the USA
Lesley998
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Well, I am 51 and was still having periods when I went on HRT.I was told this is quite normal and safe as long as you are on a COMBINED (estrogen and progesterone) HRT. You take a single yellow estrogen only pill from day 1-17, then take yellow estrogen pill AND a brown progesterone pill for the remainder of the month on days 17 - 28. .
HRT is not 'estrogen only as you say above....your OBGYN should know that!!
For women who are IN menopause, and have not bled for over a year, they can then take an estrogen only Hormone replacement Therapy.
I was on 'Prempak -C' (in the UK, it think it is called 'Premarin' in US)
I am not sure of the difference between HRT and Birth Control - but there definitely is a difference! It is quite safe for you to be on combined HRT. I think you should ask your OBGYN to explain further! There is also a lot of info about combined HRT on the net if you google it.
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