Personal Independence Payment. Myths and Fact.
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There are a lot of worried people posting on here, who are dreading being moved from disability living allowance (DLA) to personal independence payment (PIP). Can I offer some advice from experience I've gained with my disability support group and from campaigning when PIP was first consulted on and introduced. Firstly, lets dispel a couple of myths. The DWP do NOT have a 'list' of disabilities which qualify claimants for PIP. The only people likely to be awarded benefit without a face to face medical on account of their condition are those people who are terminally ill, who can apply under special rules. According to DWP this means having 12 months or less to live - even these people must prove they are terminally ill by providing specialist medical evidence, and currently only 45% of claims made under the special rules are allowed because the claimant is judged to have longer to live than the prescribed time. Harsh I know, but it's a fact.
With the exception of those people who have two amputated legs (either above or below knee) - who will automatically qualify for the enhanced rate mobility allowance (but NOT the daily living allowance as they will have to be assessed the same as everyone else ) - all other claimants wIll be assessed on the effect their disability or condition has on their day to day lives. It is the effect of the disability, NOT the disability itself that counts. PIP is nothing like DLA. It does not assume a certain level of disability according to the claimant's condition - it is not interested in the disability itself, but instead assesses the impact of the disability or condition on the claimants' ability to carry out a range of activities which would be encountered in everyday life. This is designed to give an overall idea of how much of a barrier the claimants' condition presents to life as experienced by people without disability.
PIP only applies to those people of working age. People who were aged 65+ in April 2013, will remain on DLA for as long as they continue to qualify. Similarly those aged under 16 will continue to claim DLA under children's rules, and will be invited to claim PIP from their 16th birthday.
Most people who claim PIP will have a face to face assessment by a qualified health professional - regardless of their condition or disability. Anyone can make a fresh claim for PIP and those who are already claiming DLA will be contacted by the DWP between now and September 2017 in order to change to PIP. The first letter will invite the claimant to ring the DWP to discuss the claim - this has to be done by the date specified in the letter or DLA may be stopped. Once the telephone conversation has taken place the claimant will be sent an application form to complete, and again, this must be returned to DWP by the date specified. Once the DWP
receive the form they will pass it to the assessment provider who will decide whether a face to face assessment is necessary - if so, they will invite the claimant to attend an assessment centre. If you do not Attend the assessment your benefit will be suspended so if the date is inconvenient make sure you contact the DWP to rearrange it.
When completing the application form it is vital that you read the questions carefully, make sure you have understood each question and that your answers are specific to each question, answering as fully as you can. Before answering think about your disability and how it affects the activity they are asking about, give details of any pain or discomfort you experience either during or after the activity, tell them about any aids or appliances you use for any activity (for example a shower stool because you cannot stand in the shower), and also about any help you need from another person. If you have an aid or appliance but still need help from someone else, it's important to say so, as is telling them about any aids or appliances you cannot use (for example, a long handled shoe horn is unlikely to be of any use to someone with paralysed or immobile feet, as they would need assistance from someone else to place their feet in shoes properly). Remember that it is not enough to say that you cannot do something, you must tell them why and what help you need with each activity. Remember also that the more information you can give and the clearer idea the DWP have about how your disability affects you,the less likely they are to ask for a face to face assessment. Any gaps you leave in the information you give, means that the assessor can ( and usually does) make assumptions which may not be correct.
Anything you say on the application form can be used to assess your needs, so remember that once you have said something you cannot take it back, and in the event of you challenging the decision, a review or tribunal hearing would want to know why you may now be saying something which contradicts what you put on the form. Make sure you include how long it takes you to complete each activity and don't guess. When it comes to the distances for the mobility component, it's really important that you don't guess - measure how far you can comfortably walk and at what point you have to stop because of pain or other discomfort.
Above all, remember that for all activities, to be judged able to do something, you have to be able to do it safely, repeatedly (as often as necessary throughout the day) and in a reasonable time period (no more than twice the maximum time it would take someone without a disability). Account also has to be taken of the type and duration of pain or other discomfort you experience, and whether you can do an activity to an acceptable standard - for example if you can walk up to 50 metres you would qualify for mobility allowance at the standard rate, but if you experience pain and have to sit and rest frequently, you may be judged as unable to walk the distance in a reasonable time, or if you are unable to walk the distance more than once in a day because of pain you experience afterwards, you may be judged as unable to complete it repeatedly. Similarly, if you fall frequently because of weakness in your legs or feet, you may be judged as not able to complete it to an acceptable standard. All of these scenarios would likely qualify someone for the enhanced rate under the reliability criteria, despite their ability to physically walk further than the maximum allowable distance for the enhanced rate - it is the manner in which they do it that counts.
Finally. Keep a copy of absolutely everything you send to the DWP -the application form and any supporting evidence you send with it. It will be invaluable in the event of an appeal.
After the assessment, if you do not agree with the decision you must ask the DWP for a mandatory reconsideration - do this by writing to them to ask them to look again at the decision - say why you disagree and point out any errors they may have made. If this is not successful you can then appeal to a tribunal.
I hope this helps and please feel free to ask any questions - I am following the discussion and will be happy to help if I can.
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spencer54464 pam02338
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Personal Independence Payment (PIP) is a benefit that helps with the extra costs of a long-term health condition or disability for people aged 16 to 64. It’s gradually replacing Disability Living Allowance (DLA). This page tells explains more about PIP, including how to claim it, how you’ll be affected if you already get DLA and how much you could get.
Personal Independence Payment (PIP) assists with the additional expenses of inability or long haul wellbeing conditions for individuals matured 16 to 64.
It is a non-implies tried advantage. So getting it doesn't make a difference the amount you gain, or whether you have reserve funds or capital.
To get PIP, you must:
- Need help with everyday tasks or getting around, or both
- Have needed this help for at least 3 months and expect to need it for at least another 9 months
adrienne82227 pam02338
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Im not sure if you are still on the forum but I wanted to ask a question.
my daughter is going from dla to pip and the doctor has been making thigs very difficult.
The last letter we have is 11 months ago stating her illnesses and now they are making things very hard and giving different reasons as to why they cant do a letter yet.First is was they need to see her again to reassess,the it was to speak to my daughters Youth Worker and now that Tamhs have been involved it was to speak to them and now they said no until they get the report.Now they have the report and im not getting anything from them.Im almost thinking they are palming me off.
Can I use the letter from 11months ago?Along with a Tahms letter stating in brief my daughters illness and inability to go out?
Im not getting alot of sleep and this is affecting me and my daughters anxiety.
Plus im very scared about applying for PIP as so much is riding on her getting it.My benefits too.
Many thanks
Adrienne
denise15811 adrienne82227
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Hi Adrienne,
It's always better to start your own post when asking questions because they can easily be missed, especially when added to a long thread like this one.
A lot of GP will refuse to write letters for evidence to benefits. Those that do may charge you for this. Yes you can use the evidence you have from 11 months ago and any other evidence you have to go with it. You can also do a diary of her daily needs. If she has a support worker or support at school/college you can ask them to write supporting letter for you.
It's a stressful process i agree. Are you her appointee? If you are then during the face 2 face assessment you'll be able to speak on her behalf. If you're not then she will have to answer all the questions and you'll only be able to prompt her.
Good luck and hope everything will go in her favour.
adrienne82227 denise15811
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Hi
Yes i am her appointee.Ive just had good new in that the doctor just called to say she is doing the letter today and will be able to be collected next week!!!😊😊😊
Also i have a letter from her support worker saying he visits the house due to my daughter being unwell.And I will also do a daily diary of about a weeks worth.
Ive saved the citizens advicr page which guides u through each question and help u answer throughly.
Thanks for your help
adrienne82227 denise15811
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Its been so stressful and things are coming from all angles.
Thanks again
denise15811 adrienne82227
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At the end of the form there's a box where you can add additional notes, in this box i'd advice you to ask for a home assessment. Most people have assessments as you probably know. Once you've had the assessment ring DWP a few days later to ask them to send you a copy of the assessment report. This will give you some idea what the decision will be because they rely heavily on that report and mostly award what it advices in there. Good luck.
pamela79028 pam02338
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denise15811 pamela79028
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Hi Pamela,
It's always better to start your own thread with questions because when you post on a thread that's so long like this one, questions can get missed.
PIP isn't about a diagnosis, if your symptoms/condition is the same as before you were diagnosed then no there's no need to report those changes.
Reporting changes is always risky because you risk losing what you already have. Only 47% of those that have reviews or report changes are successful with another award believe it or not. It's your choice what you do but please think abou it before calling to report the changes.
angela68632 pam02338
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sarah39369 pam02338
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Hi,
I have just received my PIP assessment letter and I feel things have been disregarded.
I am wondering if I should write a letter to ask them to look at the decision again, but I am worried it will affect the decision. I have been awarded the standard rate in both mobility and care.
I suffer from depression and anxiety
The part I am really upset about is the fact that she has said I didn't look to have low mood or anxiety and I coped well , when I actually sat and cried in the interview, I needed someone with me as I was extremely anxious. I thought mental health issues were starting to be understood, yet I have been penalised because I looked "ok"
Other aspects of my anxiety condition was not taken into account either, like help with bills, dealing with letters, social anxiety, I explained all this yet I was not awarded any points because she seemed that I could.
It has really upset me that someone can sit in judgement and totally disregard what you're telling them.
So can anyone tell me if it's worth having them look again, do they ever change their decision, or would I be risking losing it all together?
Thanks