PMR Flare , please help.

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Hi Dear Forum friends

I have been on this dreadful PMR journey for nearly 6 years now, and I thought I'd recognize any PMR flare ups early by now, still it caught me by surprise and in a vengeance !! I am in a great deal of pain and discomfort, and I am losing my wit how to deal with this ! I have been doing the DSAS method steadily and managed to get myself down to 7 mgs. I started on 30mgs, and with many flares over the years. I have been quite stable and pain free until 3 /4 weeks ago, when I had a relapse of my sciatica problem, which made me very confused with the type of pain i had with PMR. Anyway, as time went by, it became more like PMR flare, as I started to have pain across my pelvis , and then it moved up to my shoulders and upper left arm. The pain is intense, gripping , throbbing and constant. My shoulder felt heavy and it is painful the whole time. I went from 7mgs to 10mgs for 8 days without relief, now I am taking 15 mgs for the the last 4 days, and the pain is only mildly better.Should I persevere on 15mgs for another 1 to 2 weeks or more until the pain is gone before I go back to my 7 mgs, or shall i reduce it from 15ms more slowly. I am also taking co-codymol , and Naproxen, (even though i know they do not do much for PMR! but when the pain is bad, I'd just try anything!)

I really appreciate some advice from all of you, and get my life back on track again. Thank you All.

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    It does sound like PMR, but it could be something else. I get a lot of pain which my physiotherapist (and I) think is referred pain from my spine because of osteoarthritis. Now, I'm NOT saying this is what is going on with you, I give you this account only as an example, but I can say that my physio sometimes finds certain muscle groups are really really tense and they are causing significant pain, say in my neck or hip or legs, but massage and other treatment (light therapy in her clinic, heat in my home) help enormously. So sit back for minute and think about whether something you've been doing lately could have triggered this kind of reaction by your muscles. If sciatica has flared up, it can in turn cause muscles to tense, and you may be unaware of this happening. I have to say I'm never conscious of it, but after the physiotherapist works on the area which hurts, and also targets the place where the pain might be originating, I feel better! I do find this pain is relieved temporarily by aspirin, my painkiller of choice.

    Now, if your other painkillers aren't helping, and it sounds like a normal starting level of pred isn't either, I think you need to consult with your doctor and possibly get a referral to a physiotherapist who is familiar with treating PMR patients. The wrong kind of physio can do more harm than good. You don't need strengthening and repetitive exercises, you probably need therapies to release tension and follow up exercises to keep the muscle tone healthy.

    Your doctor also needs to know the level of pain you are experiencing and run a few tests to make sure there isn't something new, non-PMR, causing it.

    Hope you can find out what's going on and feel better soon.

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    HELLO ling42044 , I've been putting up with PMR since mid 2011. First I would try getting a dr appoitment. Sounds like it's easier here in the states to get into the dr. Ihad been on methotrexate and finally got off in November and was at 0 mg prednisone in March. In October we moved and Iifted a heavy landscape rock and felt a pain in my back. In late November all of a sudden Icould barely walk. Ihad an MRI showing a ruptured disc. My sciatica caused my left quad to shut almost off. going up stairs was one step at a time. I tried two injections but they didn't work so on Jan 18th I had a micro disectomy. About a month later when physical therapy started my thighs started getting sore. Iwas off prednisone at this point and chalked it up to weakness from sitting for so long from the pain. After surgery my serious leg pain was gone and I was able to sleep again. After two visits to my rheumotologist she was convinced the PMR had returned. She started me on 7.5 mg and its been a week and it's under control. She said when I get to 5 to stay there for at least 6 weeks. She said my back problems especially the surgery more than likely led to another flare. I've had quite a few. I hope your able to get a quick appoitment .

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    Hi Ling, I know we are all different, but here is what I did for my last flare in January. I was on 5 mg and up up dosage to 20 mg in 5mg, 4 day steps up and down, I stay on the 20 for 4 days also. I then stayed on the 5 mg for 8 weeks, till ski season was over then started to taper to 4.5 using modified DSNS. I have use that quick up and down method successfully several times now. Good luck, think positive 🙂

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      Im going to try that... it seems every time i go to 14 or 14 1/2 DSNS style I FLARE.

      I usually end up at 30, then DSNS to 15 and then flare... if I go down even 1/2 mg.

      Very frustrating!

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      Bethune, if it works for you, you will not take as much Prednisone. So far I have had good luck with this method. So else on the forum talked about some time ago. I now use it several times successfully. Good luck!🙂

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    I am also into my 6th year with PMR. I worked all fall and winter to reduce my prednizone. I had a flare last AUG in my left hip area. SCIATICA and PIRIFORMIS. I saw a chiropractor for 6 weeks in which he helped to relieve my 2 year issue with my hip. I went from 20mg last Aug. to 10mg this past April. I thought, finally! Well, I started having a lot of pain in my thighs and hips again. I crept up to 12-13-15-17 and back up to 20mg. So upset Im starting over at reducing again. I'm following your post in hopes of finding the answer. Its been mentioned to find a physiotherapist by a friend of mine who is a PT.

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      Pam, couple of years ago I was on 7 mg and had a flare a followed the advice of my Rheumy and chased the inflammation a few mg at a time, all the way up to 30mg, which I was on for 6 weeks to stabilize, I am still tapering from the 30 mg after almost 2 years. During that 2 years I had had several flare, but hit the flares hard and quick. I have found that works the best for me. Good luck on the rest of your PMR journey. Stay positive. 🙂

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      I SOMETIMES HAVE TO GO UP TO 30.

      Rarely get below 15 without problems.. I just bumped to 16 . If it diesnt work in 4 days I'm going to try MICHODONN's 5x 4 method.

      My MD keeps me well supplied with 1s, 5s and 10s, an d lets me organize myself.

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      Bethune, just remember try it , if it doesn't work come down as quick as you went up. Increasing the Pred should give you some relief if it is a flare. Good luck please let us how and if it works. 🙂

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      Be careful though - getting into a yoyo pattern with your dose is really not a good idea.

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    I'd suggest you may well need to find yourself a good physiotherapist or therapeutic massage therapist - because it sounds to me as if this is more than "just" PMR - at least, what you describe is what happens to me when myofascial pain syndrome kicks in on top of the PMR. It starts in my lower back with the piriformis muscle which is what causes the sciatica and then spreads to other back muscles which also go into spasm causing quite severe pain. It resolves some but slowly at higher doses of pred but then turns up again at lower doses or if you do something to aggravate it - lifting, cleaning (sweeping or vacuuming are particularly bad) or even just lying badly - mine tried to flare a couple of weeks ago after 3 hours in the dentist's chair!!

    And if this is what has been happening for the last few years, maybe your PMR may turn out to be not as bad as you think!

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      PS - doctors are not good at identifying muscle problems and MRI and things won't show them u either, just rule out other causes. But I see almost everyone else is sceptical this is "just" PMR.

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      I have had that happen and it's certainly very painful. I realise it's not the PMR but it isn't something I had before PMR. I'm assuming it's because my muscles have been weakened by both the reduction in exercise over the years, the longterm use of steroids etc.

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      Mine existed long before PMR and pred. Though I think it is worse since PMR.

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      I had problems either before or in tandem with the beginnings of PMR but I've certainly had a lot more problems since I've been on pred for several years. In fact have started another course of treatment with my physiotherapist as there are several points of pain in my body, but I do not think they are directly PMR related. I agree about the muscle weakening, and what I've read fairly recently makes me think it's a very good thing that I've always just ploughed through pain to do my (appropriate) exercises and get my walks.

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      Hi Eileen ,

      I took note of what you said. In fact, i've had 3 lots of therapeutic massage which helped. I also saw a chiropractor for my sciatica pain which resolved it a bit but not all, as I still have numbed toes and pain down one side of my leg. The reason I suspected that it was a PMR flare was when the pain moved up to my shoulder and down my arm. It is that intense, piercing and throbbing pain which i have experienced before. I was stable at 7mgs of Pred for a good 2 months and this struck ! Now I have been on 15mgs (going from 7 to 10 to 15) , and the pain on my shoulder has not ceased. I just wondered whether i could go higher than 15 to curb the inflammation until the shoulder pain has ceased.My Gp is not great with PMR, she is happy with my DSNS method.I get more information here in this forum than from any of my doctors !!Thank you for your advice.

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      Your shoulder may be bursitis, aggravated by muscle spasm. Three lots of therapeutic massage is not likely to be enough - it took me months to get mine sorted out. You may need steroid injections too, possibly even muscle relaxants - oral pred isn't ideal as it is not targeted enough and joints don't have a particularly good blood supply for this purpose.

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      Stay positive, active with a smile!🙂

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      I sometimes have to go up to 30... stay there a few weeks and then start back down

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