prinzmetals angina

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I have had prinzmetal's angina for over 7 years. Information about prinzmetal's says that pain occurs at night while in bed. Well not in my case. I get angina pain in the day time as well at night. Does anyone out there get pain in the day as I do ? I get pain at anytime, when it is cold or when I feel stressed and sometimes activity brings it on. I am taking a lot of medication for it , can't be without the nitro spray. Am having a lot of bad days lately hope to have a few good days soon.

Because prinzmetals is rare I feel a bit lonely having it , even though there are people who have the usual angina. It would be good to talk to somebody who prinzmetals.

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    I was diagnosed with Prinzmetal's Angina a couple of years ago, and now have been diagnosed with cancer which required some surgical procedures. My consultant anaesthetist told me that my variant form of angina is called "syndrome X" by the surgeons because they don't know what causes it. The only treatment for an attack is bed rest and pain relief. However, they can put you on permanent heart medication to protect the heart from damage when the attacks happen. I am on such medication and it does mean I have fewer attacks. I got a bit fed up with waking up in the middle of an attack and having to rush off to hospital at all hours!! My advice…. get whatever regular meds you need, stop looking for answers they don't have, and when you DO have an attack, call the ambulance straight away and get to A & E and tell them what you have been diagnosed with. The rest of the time, stop worrying and get on with your life. They can't stop the attacks, they can help when they happen, but looking for answers is fruitless and stressful. There is life after Prinzmetals' diagnosis. Enjoy! and best wishes to all of you smile
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    Wow so nice to find this discussion, I was diagnosed last August with a trip to the hospital and all the tests, I was told mine was caused by stress and caffeine (I was taking 2vivrin in the morning instead of drinking coffee or soda) so I made a complete lifestyle change, I follow Dr. Joel Furman nutritarian lifestyle gave up all forms of caffine a absolutly no processed food keeping the stress down and I feel fantastic I do take 1channel blocker per day but there is no more pain or shortness of breath or anything. I hope this helps someone
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    Hi Vicki,

    I have recently had cancer treatment which has caused difficult symptoms which I am waiting on a diagnosis for, but it's likely I will find I have PRD (Pelvic Radiotherapy Disease). To ease the symptoms I am trying a

    low fibre, low residue diet for a while which means no caffeine. It is possible the no caffeine may help with

    the angina too. I will let you know smile

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    Hi, I am new to this having just had my third admission to the local cardiac unit and had the angiogram done as well. The result is prinzmetal's angina. Chronic pain in my chest, arm, neck you name it. All the usual meds, verapamil, isomono, nitrates, statins etc... But at 45 feels like my life has be turned upside down. Three months ago I was walking the three peaks, a fit healthy man... And in three weeks I have turned into Albert steptoe! Great to know you guys are out there too... I felt like no one understood, each time in hospital the ECG was ok, the troponin was good so no heart attack, felt like I was making this all up... Even the angio came back ok until the cardiologist explained what was going on... Does anyone have any tips for coping with this... What works well, what have you tried? What to avoid? Thanks for any advice folks.

    Daren

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      I'm 45, had my first heart attack at 41. My arteries were clear. It was a mystery to my doctors until I almost had another one at the gym of all places! I went from going regularly to the gym, hiking, fly fishing etc. To having panic attacks just leaving the house. A follow up exam after my second almost heart attack also disclosed my heart was thickening. Then I was diagnosed with PMA(Prinzemetal's angina). I recommend seeking at least 2 to 3 heart specialists opinions. Since I have anxiety over this I'm seeing a cognative therapist and taking meds for anxiety. I'm also going to a ND or naturapathic Doctor for lifestyle changes. My change in eating habits and vitamins have helped. Don't beat youself up, my therapist offers me a bat everytime I try LOL. One of the hardest things for me is going into the ER for chest pain after I've tried the nitro and anxiety meds and no heart issue is found Argh! But better safe than sorry. One last suggestion would be your internal talk and attitude of all these changes, for me to continue being positive and push myself to do things gives me happiness. Hope this helps.
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    I was diagnosed with Prinzmetal's Angina last year, after my doctor thought I had angina. The hospital specialist put me on cholesterol tablets and an Angina tablet and said he would see what happened over the next 5 weeks and then possibly do an angiogram. After taking one tablet I had really dreadful headache that lasted 36 hours so stopped taking, tried a different tablet with same effect. My doctor wrote to the hospital and they carried out the angiogram and found no angina, but Prinzmetal's. I am already taking a betablocker and asperin for paroximal atrial fibrillation so was not keen of taking any further tablets. I only get pain if I run for the bus and takes me 5 mins to stop gasping. So I don't run for buses now. Fortunately I don't seem to have much problems other than that. I have tablets I can put under the tongue for as and when necessary, but not used them yet. Except I am having trouble getting travel insurance. Good to hear what problems other people have experienced.
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    Hey! I'm a former critical nurse who is now disabled at the age of 37 due to Prinzmetal's. I was diagnosed 5 years ago. Had a heart attack two years ago. Had a cardiac arrest (my heart stopped and I gpt CPR?shocked and by the grace of God made it back) a year ago. In 2013 I had 13 admissions to the CCU, which is why I am now disabled.

    I just wanted to let people who have SEVERE cases, like mine, know that there is a surgery that is rarely done today, but it may significantly improve your case. It's called a sympathectomy. When the sympathetic nerve is stimulated (along with the rest of the sympathetic nervous system it is responsible for the "Fight or Flight" response), it causes the coronary arteries to constrict. In some people, their Prinzmetal's can be caused by over stimulation of the sympathetic nerve. What happens with the surgery is a cardiothoracic surgeon goes in through your chest (ribs) and removes the part of the sympathetic nerve that would connect to the coronary arteries, so it cannot send anymore impulses there. 60% it is cause my the left sympathetic nerve, and 40% by the right. Sometimes they gamble and do just the left, in my case they did both sides. In some people this cures the Prinzmetal's all together. In mine it improved it, but I still have a lot of issues with it. There is no way to test ahead of time if this is the issue. You can google it and see it done on video. It used as a treatment for other things as well. Like I said, it is not done often, and is really a lst ditch effort, but when your case is really bad, sometimes they will do it. Finding a surgeon that is proficient at doing them is not easy as they are not done frequently, so if this is something your cardiologist feels may help you, go with who they recommend, as they would likely know who has done them.

    Cheers!

    Cathy

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      Thankyou for this info. I'm fed up with nursing staff and cardiologists treating this as a psychological problem. X
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      Hi Cathy. I don't know if u will remember me. I told u about my husband who has the chest pains everyday & has had two heart attacks on account of this. The cardiologist recommended he have the surgery. U sent me ur email address & asked me about all the medicines he takes. I didn't get to an swer because I got sick then we had several hospital stays with the chest pain. I lost ur email. Could u send it to me again. I promise not to lose it this time. Lol thank u Michelle.

      Emis Moderator comment: I have removed the email address as we do not publish these in the forums. If users wish to exchange contact details please use the Private Message service.

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      I am desperate to have the surgery..I'm 67 and have no life ...I have other physical problems and all these meds give me severe headache, cough,swelling, and orthostatic BP among other things.  I have had 2 stents in the LAD over the past few years and also have small vessel senosis.  I I could atop this daily horror I think I will live a longer more fruitful life.  Surgery sounds like the solution for mebut not an easy task to get a cardiologist on board.

      Wish me Luck,

      2Ellypoo2

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    The previous post was mine as well. I didn't proof read it. It was supposed to read the I got CPR/shocked, not the CPR?shocked. Can I blame my poor typing on the Prinzmetal's, lol?

    Cathy

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    hi Cathy, thanks for you post, it was very informative. I have been to Emergency dept at our hospital twice in under a week after having almost a year free of Prinzmetals…. no idea why all of a sudden i'm getting two close together. two years ago I had two episodes two weeks apart but they are not usually so close together. I am waiting on the cardiologist as I have a lot of other health issues as well, but I will see whether he thinks this could be helpful in my case. All the best.

    Josie

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    Hi....I haven't visited the forums for quite some time now, I have been diagnosed with Prinzmetal Angina myself around 5 years ago may be longer...I experience what everyone else does here as well,it's a debilitating thing to have...To start with doctors were all the same they all kept telling me it was my panic / anxiety acting up because all my CKMB's and troponins kept coming back negative,well my troponins were coming back negative but I did on many occasions have raised CKMB's,I questioned this as CKMB's are also a marker for heart attack but I was assured that it wasn't . As time went by I was at the stage where I was calling an ambulance up to 3 times a week because the chest pain would come on anytime of the day or night,relaxing doing nothing or working/exercising....I was 46 when I had my first mild heart attack,ECG was normal but bloods came back positive for an AMI I was admitted to hospital for 3 days and had a barrage of tests done,I had a heart echo ,Angiogram (third one in 10 years - previous 2 results were Arteries in pristine condition) The third Angio showed a baby blockage of 50-60% occlusion of the right coronary artery,this occurred 2 years ago and now the Emergency take notice when I'm bought in,depending on my pain and bed availability I'm usually seen immedietly other wise I'm put out into the waiting room sometimes in immense pain radiating to left shoulder and arm or straight into the back,along with chest pain this is the usual pattern for me before having to call for an ambulance.

    I'm literally to embarrassed to call for an ambulance because I've used them nearly once a week and now it's creeping back up to twice a week and ,....yeah well I'm well known by all in the emergency and paramedics profession.I've had a couple of doctors tell me it's in my head that there is nothing wrong with my heart over all most doctors are sympathetic as they know about the condition of Prinzmetal Angina and that there is no cure for it just pain relief and a barrage of medications to try and alleviate the spasms,they have worked but I think over time your body adjusts to the medication just like it does with the GTN spray, you become almost immune to it,it only works for a few minutes then another attack follows.

    My cardiologist has also said there is no cure for it as yet all they can offer is medication to try and alleviate the spasming but as I stated above over time your body becomes use to it....the medications that worked the best for me is Cardizem360 mg and Nicorandil 10 mg twice daily, I have found and need to discuss this with my cardio is that the Nicorandil still works but not for the full 12 hours as it is suppose to, I need to find out if I need to be on a higher dose....This year alone I've been into our emergency department 11 times with this ...it's becoming so embarrassing I'm starting to doubt myself, I'm doing as instructed by my doctor and cardio re-hab nurse that if pain doesn't go away after taking the GTN as instructed 1 spray every 5 minutes maximum of 4 (20 minutes) to call 000 Because I know what it is I try to stick it out and try and relieve it with the GTN when I can't relieve it I end up giving in and calling paramedics because the heart attack that I had could quite easily happen again you just don't know....I can tell the difference between a panic attack and a heart attack or angina attack as I'm sure most of you can as well ?

    I have found caffeine doesn't make a difference I gave up the coffee years ago to alleviate the anxious feelings with the panic attacks I use to have.....Also taking it easy will also keep the chest pain at bay but I can't live like that I need to be doing something at all times of the day...I have done some research with varying opinions ,they say men suffer more than woman and under the age of 50...then other professionals say women suffer more than men so I don't know...all I know what gets rid of my bad attacks (pain wise ) is Morpheine or a GTN infusion depends which ER doctor I get

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      Never feel you cannto call ambulnace or go to ER. I lost a cousin to this disease & sister had complete heart block. I ahve it an also am frequent ER flyier. Mayo hd me start on l-arginie 1000 three tiems a day that does help some. I take Verapimil 180, Isosorbide 120 1 x a day(need to be off 8 hours or you get resitant), Nicardipine 60 3x a day, and when I still break thru I take Nifedipine 20 break it under my tongue, as well as Nitro spary under tongoue. If I cannot stop attack with these after 3 nitro I go straight to ER and have standing letter I carrry they put me on nitro drip. wATCH YOUR OXYGEN & MKE SURE YOU ARE NTO HAVING SLEEP APNEA makes it way worse. The PaCO2 gets lwo and that seems to really set off the Coronary Spasms. Centers that have most expertise Jewish National, University Colorado, Davis, Mayo MN & AZ I like az better MN seems over worked and nto enough tiem for the patient, Cedars-Sinai Medical Center.  If wht you are on is nto working go have them chek out these meds and do nto take Beta Blockers bad idea. 
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      If you are UK Dr. Abhiram Prasad, MD St George's Healthcare is really great with this disease.
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      Hi cher,

      The Senior doctors and nursing staff are fantastic here, however there is a couple of doctors who are sick of the sight of me as well as several Paramedics, They just don't seem to be able to get a grasp that this condition isn't an easy fix as this doesn't always show up on an ECG, I've had several troponin rises to concern them and have been admitted a few times since 2012, I was 46 when I had my first "mild" heart  attack, 47 whe I had a suspected TIA and 48 when I had my second "mild" heart attack. Cardizem and the Nicorandil helped me a lot, I'm on 480 mg of Cardizem a day (240mg in the morning and 240 in the evening) but then winter reared it's ugly head up here and has set off clusters of my attacks, some of the ER doctors don't believe cold weather can set any kind of angina off....

      Unfortunately I have been diagnosed with severe sleep apnea, I stop breathing 56 times in the hour (for 30 seconds) and my snoring is rated at 79-80 Db's from memory, I remember I was told my snoring is equivelent or comparable to a semi truck using it's engine brake . 

       

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      I live in Australia, Cardiologists here have told me there are treatments (no cure) available but they won't actually stop the spasms,only reduce the frequency in ideal conditions, this was when my coronary arteries were in "Pristine" condition, I now have a baby blockage in my right coronary artery.....50-60%, depends which doctor I talk to, I get varying opinions, one says 50% the other (s) say 60% and since that was found I was told not to ignore my chest pains anymore and call for an ambulance if the spray doesn't work after 4 sprays (20 minutes) trouble is, it does settle it down but the damned things keep coming back after 5 minutes and in great severity
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      Yes so far no cure 2013 I was in a trial and the trail drug worked for me and most of the peopel in the trial as well. It is still workign it's way to be released. And I was nto given the name by Mayo for it. Cold weather affects most of us with the disease. Docotrs has to be relaly ill informed to not know that weatehr can afftect it. The sleep Apnea is goign to affect it extermely so if you are still having issues on the CPAP thye may have to add or p your oxygemn or adjust the settings. I am 3l oxygen & CPAP is 4-18 ramping up. By the time it hts 12 my husband is shaking me to wake me up.  I stop breathing for up t0 90 seconds as well. That stop breathing is bad but also the Cheyne–Stokes breathing affects the Coronary Artery Spams (CAS) as well by changing the PaCO2 levels.  Mayo put me on  Mediterranean diet and I have managed to get my blockages down to trace.  I have had a few newer ER ocs recently tell me we need to get this under control so I am nto in ER so much and that resutled in a call to them from the Head of Cardiology to ecplain WHY it was unwise for me nto to come in when we cannot stop the angina. So that stops all the noise from them. I also have had various ones ask me for the DVD I keep of all the research on the disease I have. Mayo gave me many articels as well as others sent me. So when I hit a doc that is a bit behind the tiems I jsut ask if he woudl liek to read some of the articles Mayp gave me and often they say yes. That has helped becasue they then share it with the other ER docs. Luckily my EMT's are oftne the smae guys and htye know all about me. When I hit new ones we generally discuuse thigns and I will suggest artiels to them as well. I have only had a couple of new EMT's anf a coupel ER nurses that rejected learnign anythign new. I have Artery Spasms in renal arteries, cerebral arteries, eyes etc as well all prven out with testing so one a doctro read sme records they are receptive to reading more. Nicorandil is comparable to Nefedipine in all the research. Cardizem (diltiazem) held me until late 2002 but then stopped being affective.That is when I went to Verapamil. Late 2011 when I started going downhill again. Then last year when I was 32 ER visits one more added the Nicardipine , reduced the Verapimil from 360 to 180. Then I still break thru wway to often I was in ER right after writing you the first note and stayed there for over 6 hours doing the nitro drip. Anginastopped and I was able to come home. That said I am way more stable then last year this year. The group of people I met at Mayo are the ones like us that are so hard to control. Ther is talk about trying Enhanced External Counterpulsation (EECP) on me. Have more apts the next few months to see if they can reduce hypoxia and perhas calm things down further so the EECP is just on option ont he table they have discussed. 
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      Hi,

      One Cardiologist has explained what's happening to me really good and in laymens terms, I have a what they call  a "rare" cholestrol problem,it's hereditary and I get the severest of the side effects from all the statins including the old fashioned Questran powder. How this cardiologist explained it was I was having artery and micro blood vessel spasms and these spasms aren't always detectable on any one ECG, sometimes they can be picked up , they have seen it a couple of times in my ECG's but the heart attack business, that has whiskers on it...lol...I feel terrible but at the same time it feels exactly like my Prinzmetal Angina and ECG normal, however my troponins come back elevated at least twice a year, any rate back to what this cardiologist was telling me is what's happening is the cholestrol is (now this is the tricky part) either eating up or preventing the nitric oxide to be produced in the Endothelium which is why he agrees with our emergency departments initial diagnosis of Prinzmetal Angina around 10 + years ago, No nitric oxide or lack of cause arteries to go into spasms and cause the severe chest pains, I have been put on a waiting list for a new medication due out hopefully soon, apparently it is still in it's trial period and being looked at by our government pharmaceutical board for it's safety, now I can't remember the exact name of it but it is an injectable medication and it's name sounds like something out of the canine dog squad...lol... SP K9H ( that's only from memory that name), it maybe named something else but that's what it sounds like . It is suppose to be an eagerly awaited drug by Cardiologists throughout the world in the hope of reducing even further/ get rid of coronary artery or small blood vessels in the heart from spasming.

      For some reason Cardiologist won't test coronary artery spasm via angio gram and I think it's the drug Ergovine, they tell me the risks far to high yet when I researched it I found that nitro lingual spray quickly reverses this drug that causes the arteries to spasm...but down here their opinions differ from any one elses throughout other countries....

      I have also been told I may be getting immune to my medication as I have to use it so much, especially in winter as well as having the other anti angina medications in my system. They use to give me GTN infusions but as time went on it took longer to work and from memory my cardiologist told them to stop it, they now use morphine or endone for pain relief, I find morphine works better for some reason, My body seems to metabolise endone differently as I sleep for a whole day after having 1-2 endone tablets for the pain... I can't wait til summer gets back here smile I'm not in the tropical areas of Australia where it's warm near all year round, my original cardiologist did suggest I move to Queensland for our winters to stop the spasms, unlike him....lol..I don't have that kind of money to fly up there every year for 3 months and then find a rental place whilst there.

      I can't speak to my sleep apnea doctor, he's a very ignorant and abrupt person and thinks he's right all the time, unfortunately I can't seek a second opinion as he is our only sleep specialist, sorry I maybe wrong , I believe we have on more specialist but he is in private practice which would cost me an arm and a leg to go see him, our public health system here is free, but you don't get to pick your own specialists, I was actually very lucky to get referred to our States best Cardiologist, he left the public health system but remained in the private health and he always bulk bills me if I need to see him for a second opinion, the reason for this is because he is 70 odd and he keeps telling me he's going to retire but he hasn't of yet, his receptionist reckons he'll die doing what he likes doing best and thats cardiac work and passing his knowledge down as a lecturer at our University.

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      Mayo did reproduce the issue with me in the cathlab 3x. They watched the arteries spasm down could see the flow deviation and not see the EKG changes. It took more then one nitro infusion each tiem to reverse the spasm and took soem tiem to do so wiht me even with it injected right into the artery in the heart. I was n a study there for the new drug so they did all sorts of phots exams etc internal to my heart during the proceedures. Was rather interesting to watch the arteries spasm down and te blood flow reduce.
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      That's interesting your Spasm testing, via Angio, perhaps that's why they refuse to do that procedure here as you seem to of had a bit of a hard time, well they had a bit of a hard time in trying to stop the spasms. As you know severe spasms can lead to a full blown MI, well even a an NSTEMI (mild heart attack amongst other things.. I thought this cardiologist was pulling my leg when he said it's not a procedure that they carry out due to it's risks and you have just clarified it for me when you mentioned your spasms took some getting under control ? It also seems to answer my question, not completely but makes me wonder even more...GTN does it really work on artery and small blood vessel spasms, it appears to in the beginning of treatment but as time goes on we get immune to it and it just isn't as efficient as it was in the past....very complicated dis-order to have sad
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      Yes the issue is that the more you use nitro the more resitant you become. That is why they want the long acting oly once a day so that the body can geta break. But whne you have so many spams each day that you ned up having to take long acting inbetween the nitro gets less and less affective. That is why they switched up my  Cardizem for other med then switched again. Sometimes the switch of meds helps the spams and allows les nitro to be used. Yes I knew the risks when I agreed to have the trail. But I decided at tat time with 30 attacks a day I was willing to do the trail and the reproductions to help the treatment move forward. 
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      Yes they changed my Cardizem (Diltiazem) to a larger dose but told me to keep up with the rest and the GTN as required, Cardizem did help significantly but as I mentioned earlier winter has arrived here and that has triggered it all off again, I am at our emergency department of late up to 3 times a week via ambulance, about a month ago my troponins under the new essay was 14 without a repeat test, The Nurse said no wonder you feel like crap, but the ED Doc said the cut off point was <15, i="" investigated="" this="" further="" and="" had="" found="" collaboration="">< 14 is the actual cut off point with the same machine (roche ), so i wonder if i had of had that repeat blood test if it was creeping up ? i felt like crap for about a week later. our emergency department must be behind the times as they have only just switched over to the new high sensitivity test at the  beginning of this year.. they have established a base line for my troponins "according to one ed doctor, it sits around 8... nurses have told me it fluctuates between 6-10, in the last 2 months 8-11. 14="" is="" the="" actual="" cut="" off="" point="" with="" the="" same="" machine="" (roche="" ),="" so="" i="" wonder="" if="" i="" had="" of="" had="" that="" repeat="" blood="" test="" if="" it="" was="" creeping="" up="" i="" felt="" like="" crap="" for="" about="" a="" week="" later. our="" emergency="" department="" must="" be="" behind="" the="" times="" as="" they="" have="" only="" just="" switched="" over="" to="" the="" new="" high="" sensitivity="" test="" at="" the=""  beginning="" of="" this="" year..="" they="" have="" established="" a="" base="" line="" for="" my="" troponins="" "according="" to="" one="" ed="" doctor,="" it="" sits="" around="" 8...="" nurses="" have="" told="" me="" it="" fluctuates="" between="" 6-10,="" in="" the="" last="" 2="" months="">
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      Hi,

      Question for you all if I may...

      Now when you all have a bout of Prinzmetal Angina do any of you at times actually feel your artery(ies) constrict then feel as though it's popped open and the constrict again....basically what I'm asking do any of you actually feel the spasms at times as well as the pain ?

      I have felt this on several occassions and I was under the impression that you couldn't actually feel the spasms just the pain caused by it reducing the blood flow , I would be very interested to know if anyone else can or has felt this experience, actually feel the artery spasm ?

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      Hmmmm no i cant say i have felt that precisely but i have felt that my heart hs been held or grabbed or something like that, i cant really describe the sensation but does really feel like something is holding my heart 
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      Samuels...you just discribed what I feel exactly.  I describe it like labor pain contractions. I feel the arteries in my chest and then it shoots up to my head. I can feel them constrict...pressure building to the point it feels like they are going to explode then they start to relax just a bit and then the pressure starts building as they constrict again. My spams last about 30 minutes to 1 1/2 hours. Nitro spray does nothing for me. I have yet found anything to stop them. 
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      I can feel it as it restrict i think it is the blood flow reduction that is causing the heart to react. Then when the nitro opens it I feel it relax and when it is totally stopped blocking the blood flow the heart relaxes.   I can tell before I see the EKG which part of the heart it is affecting. Most doctors claim the heart does nto have nerves so you canot feel that but have had docs that have actual heart issues that agree you can. 
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      Hi Sheri,

      Thanks for sharing, I think the doctor thought I was crazy when I told him that I thought I could actually feel them spasm.

      I've just got back home from our ED(well about 2 hours ago) and am very disgusted with the attending doctor, I have never seen her in there before, she never offered any pain relief what so ever, all she said is My boss tells me that you are a regular visitor here and would I be happy with just having the one lot of bloods done, I agreed as I had the pain start at around 8.15 last night, did manage to keep it down to a comfortable level but it increased pretty quickly around 10pm so I pumped some more GTN into me in the hope of avoiding a trip to ED, Unfortunately it got the better of me and had to call for an ambulance, when I was discharged I rumaged through my medicine cabinet and found some endone, it's now 5.30am here and I'm starting to get more niggles, I'll take one more endone directly and if it comes back after a couple of hours of taking that one I'll be heading back in there and if asked why I'm back in there they will be getting an exact reason as to why I'm back......due to an ignorant doctor and her boss, she could see I was in pain, some of these doctors amaze me,they actually make my mind boggle about them and how they are trained or perceive Prinzmeetal angina.

      Yes my last episode last an an hour and a half as well but does come back 15-30 minutes later (on my bad days)

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      I was just released from mergency my  self after ambulance had to come. I was on nitro drip for several hours then stepped it down to make sure it held. Stayed for a while to make sure it held. Luckily I had a crew that knows me so all went very smooth even though the doctor was his first time meeting me he knew all about me coming in. Becasue of my oxygen levels they never give me the pains meds. The onky thing that works for me when I get bad is to go on nitro drip for several hours.
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      I ended back up in emergency again this morning, this time I got a regular consultant,one who knows my condition. Speaking of oxygen levels,mine have dropped over the last couple of months that has required paramedics putting me onto oxygen, mine's  sitting around the 87 -93 mark.

      The consultant today is going to try something with me, we are going to try pain medication in the form of Endone, he's pretty confident that my troponins won't return a positive and so in an agreed effort to reduce  the  amount of times calling for an ambulance, the consultant said obviously if the pain is un-effected by taking the endone to obviously call an ambulance. They use to go down that road with me, GTN Infusion but because it taking a couple of hours or longer to start taking effect they stopped it and from memory from my cardiologists instructions, I was even tried on the GTN patches but my cardiologist told me to stop using them and throw them away...lol...I find that either morphine or endone works in getting rid of my chest and radiating pains, obviously when paramedics canulate me and give me 10- 15 of  morphine I'm 99%  of the time pain free by the time I arrive at the ED, because it's only Prinzmetal Angina a majority of the paramedics leave the canulation to emergency staff now, It's a fob off job but I don't question anyone because I don't want to be seen as or be listed as a what they call a "drug seeker", don't get me wrong, sure I have a few understanding paramedics that actually know about Prinzmetal and will cannulate and give morphine to get rid of the pain. I still have senior consultants that tell me to keep coming in if pain persists because of my past history of NSTEMI's...Cardiology doesn't even have a real management plan in place for me, the only thing that I'm aware of is blood to be taken to make sure there has been no troponin rises and emergency can only treat the symptoms  as I come in....All very frustrating and at this stage of being to emabarrassed to call ambulance and always being in our ED, Knowing everbody by their names now, which isn't to bad I suppose, at times you get to bump into them in the streets and have bit of a chin wag...lol...unusual way to make new friends but it's great to make new friends under the circumstances.

      I don't really like taking endone as I must metabolise it slowly as I sleep the whole day after having one or 2 endone tablets, Morphine I'm fine with, it does it's job and I don't have the "day after" issues like I do with endone.....lol..I've actually just woken up after 4 endone since around 1.30 this morning and 12.30pm today...I will more than likely nod off again in the next hour and that will be it until tomorrow night....lol....I will have to force myself to stay awake tomorrow and find something to keep me busy.

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      So with me the Oxygen levels are result of Spams in the arteries in the Pulmonary tree. The bad part of that is that as the oxyen drops we tend to breath faster which then lowers to PaCO2 in your blood which then makes the spasm worse and it is round robin. I can all of a sudden drop off to 80-81 go into angina and at tiems they have had me in ER on 10l of oxygen to keep the Oxygen level up o 90 which is not a good thing to do either. So the oxygen levels paly a big role in the cycle. They tried a few drugs on me but they just drove oygen down so we abondoned that all together.
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      Cher42845, You mentioned you have cerebral spasms.  How do you know that...what does it feel like?  How did you convince your doctor? The last 2 attacks I have had started in my head then progressed to the coronary ateries.. I told my cardiologist and he said if my cerebral ateries were spasaming then I would have stroke like symptoms,  I feel this intense tighting around my head...and pain building...then it starts to release somewhat and then it the pressure builds again. I did not have blurred vision just pain and pressure.  It feels just like the coronary spasms but in my head.  My doctor totally dismissed what I said as if it was impossible. 
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      Not heard of him , thanks . Have you seen Professor Kaski ,also at st Georges ?
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      Well they found I had the Cardiac ones at Mayo with recreation,  and they found the renal spams as well. SO they decided to see wha twas up with yes & had . Migrains horribly and eyes at one point unable to see. So they started testing to see if the vessels in eyes and head also had been affected and they are. Had a transient ischemic attack (TIA) due to spasm.  TIA causes stroke liek symptoms. Tia can be clots btu ca also be the spams in my case spasms. That runs in my famly as well as the Prinzmetal Angina. SO lately the specialists working with me are believing more and more that all my vascular issues are all related and inherited . Which seems pretty resonable. I suspect you are right.  Yes the head often feels intense pressure before it goes into full blown litghtenign pain. Often face numbs. Have trouble wlaking and talking. It is pretty dang scary at times. The vessels in eyes htey coudl see spasm. the oens in head took MRI when it was happening with contrast.

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      NO I saw Dr Prasad while he was a professor at MAYO in the USA. And he told me where he was going. I keep him updated.
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      Was a patient of Dr.  Prasada when he was on a special team doing Research on this disease at Mayo. So I met hundreds of us there.
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      As i need sedation with virtually every procedure as feel pain intensely anaethetists have often refused assistance especially when pulse drops to below 80 at Dentist.I have continual problems due,I suspect to Insurance Companies directing  as had MI [ cardiac arrest] 11 yrs ago after enduring classic heart failure symptoms which still have re: breathing- going upstairs & moving standing for more than 5 min  .It has taken since then to discover pulmonary hypertension so could access diuretics for oedema now lips- lymphedema .This was only found when an implanted Reveal device reveals nothing except the PAH . The comotosing  on eating daily does not show up even on day of MI just taken off holter monitor.The spinal spasticity spasms that improve when take acute  uti medication But because not this is not acute or terminal  the NHS disregards the multi conditions blaming me for their lack of research & Hippocratic oaths & cost . Now  steroid injections which have helped have worn off & have deliberately ignored for a year causing problems in all my weaker areas - trigger points CFS/fibro due to weak heart pumping. .Yet they have still not investigated fairly these anomalies besides me  suggesting stem cell trials & paying a fortune for basics often one consultation denying investigation NB The insurance says I have preexisting conditions the NHS has used computers to ignore despite disability  .Needless to say had spasms after Xmas dinner which caused me to be isolated as didn't want to ruin the day.Did the machine record ? I suspect not as not keeping in touch sampling 6 monthly .

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      Yes, I had one series of attacks in 2016 while still taking a Beta Blocker and I could feel my brachial artery spasm. You could see the carotid artery spasm in my neck at the attacks worst. As far as I can tell I have had prinzmetal's longest of anyone I spoken to. I'm coming up on 42 years this February (I was 15 when I had my 1st attack) un fortunately the USA seems to be lagging behind in even recognizing prinzmetal's as a real disease. I lived with and suffered through 4 Myocardial infarctions before it became a crisis situation ... no diagnosis... then the real trial began 27 major cardiac events in an 18 month period, including 2 large MI's 3 small ones and a transmural infarction (thought that one would kill me, at times during the next 18 months I wished it had) then after being listed as preinfarction syndrome for 3 months, I finally had a cardiologist get irrefutable proof of prinzmetal's. He got a picture during a Cath with my entire heart in spasm not just the arteries, FINALLY a diagnosis. But, back to your question again yes. While on Beta blockers the spasms would affect a much wider range of tissues and I could feel them.

      The moral to the story I guess is anyone who thinks prinzmetal's is nothing but a minor nuisance is fooling themselves. It is very serious and quite deadly if allowed to act un checked , I had one Dr. Say it's not very dangerous 1 day then 4 days later he was yelling at me to be quite because he was "trying to save my life" during a really bad atack. ... not dangerous... really? My Doctor , in the end, did find a solution to over 95 percent of the attacks but I think it's to drastic for most. It's just the only way I was going to live any longer. 80mg isosorbide dinitrate spread to twice a day and 360mg of varapamil (maxim dosage for someone my size on both) this stoped my heart completely. Then i was given a pacemaker to keep me ticking at 60bpm. Now only sudden cold, large humidity changes, stress, or foods high in acetylcholine will trigger attacks. These days my biggest concern is becoming nitro tolerant.

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      Hi Bishpick,

      ?It's not a condition really recognised down here either, USA seem to be leaps and bounds ahead of Australia in diagnosing this condition. Cold weather ,quick puff of wind to the face, high emotional stress and extreme heat are triggers for mine as well, although can come clean out of the blue while watching TV or wake me from my sleep. I am nitro tolerant now especially to the GTN, I reckon I could drink a bottle of that stuff with out it effecting me smile  Not sure what's going to happen to me, have to see if it's medication related or mechanical, my heart rate sits between 40-48 bpm.

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      Hi all, just to let you know Bishpick is in hospital after a very bad episode.... he would appreciate any support....

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