prinzmetals angina
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I have had prinzmetal's angina for over 7 years. Information about prinzmetal's says that pain occurs at night while in bed. Well not in my case. I get angina pain in the day time as well at night. Does anyone out there get pain in the day as I do ? I get pain at anytime, when it is cold or when I feel stressed and sometimes activity brings it on. I am taking a lot of medication for it , can't be without the nitro spray. Am having a lot of bad days lately hope to have a few good days soon.
Because prinzmetals is rare I feel a bit lonely having it , even though there are people who have the usual angina. It would be good to talk to somebody who prinzmetals.
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josie_mccall
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vicki_lee
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josie_mccall
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I have recently had cancer treatment which has caused difficult symptoms which I am waiting on a diagnosis for, but it's likely I will find I have PRD (Pelvic Radiotherapy Disease). To ease the symptoms I am trying a
low fibre, low residue diet for a while which means no caffeine. It is possible the no caffeine may help with
the angina too. I will let you know
Nowlybear
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robert36295 Nowlybear
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cathymcphee
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I just wanted to let people who have SEVERE cases, like mine, know that there is a surgery that is rarely done today, but it may significantly improve your case. It's called a sympathectomy. When the sympathetic nerve is stimulated (along with the rest of the sympathetic nervous system it is responsible for the "Fight or Flight" response), it causes the coronary arteries to constrict. In some people, their Prinzmetal's can be caused by over stimulation of the sympathetic nerve. What happens with the surgery is a cardiothoracic surgeon goes in through your chest (ribs) and removes the part of the sympathetic nerve that would connect to the coronary arteries, so it cannot send anymore impulses there. 60% it is cause my the left sympathetic nerve, and 40% by the right. Sometimes they gamble and do just the left, in my case they did both sides. In some people this cures the Prinzmetal's all together. In mine it improved it, but I still have a lot of issues with it. There is no way to test ahead of time if this is the issue. You can google it and see it done on video. It used as a treatment for other things as well. Like I said, it is not done often, and is really a lst ditch effort, but when your case is really bad, sometimes they will do it. Finding a surgeon that is proficient at doing them is not easy as they are not done frequently, so if this is something your cardiologist feels may help you, go with who they recommend, as they would likely know who has done them.
Cheers!
Cathy
fiona82663 cathymcphee
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michelle68106 cathymcphee
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Hi Cathy. I don't know if u will remember me. I told u about my husband who has the chest pains everyday & has had two heart attacks on account of this. The cardiologist recommended he have the surgery. U sent me ur email address & asked me about all the medicines he takes. I didn't get to an swer because I got sick then we had several hospital stays with the chest pain. I lost ur email. Could u send it to me again. I promise not to lose it this time. Lol thank u Michelle.
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2ellypoo2 cathymcphee
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I am desperate to have the surgery..I'm 67 and have no life ...I have other physical problems and all these meds give me severe headache, cough,swelling, and orthostatic BP among other things. I have had 2 stents in the LAD over the past few years and also have small vessel senosis. I I could atop this daily horror I think I will live a longer more fruitful life. Surgery sounds like the solution for mebut not an easy task to get a cardiologist on board.
Wish me Luck,
2Ellypoo2
cathymcphee
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Cathy
hope4cure cathymcphee
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I blame mine on diry glasses..
HOPE
josie_mccall
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Josie
samuels
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I'm literally to embarrassed to call for an ambulance because I've used them nearly once a week and now it's creeping back up to twice a week and ,....yeah well I'm well known by all in the emergency and paramedics profession.I've had a couple of doctors tell me it's in my head that there is nothing wrong with my heart over all most doctors are sympathetic as they know about the condition of Prinzmetal Angina and that there is no cure for it just pain relief and a barrage of medications to try and alleviate the spasms,they have worked but I think over time your body adjusts to the medication just like it does with the GTN spray, you become almost immune to it,it only works for a few minutes then another attack follows.
My cardiologist has also said there is no cure for it as yet all they can offer is medication to try and alleviate the spasming but as I stated above over time your body becomes use to it....the medications that worked the best for me is Cardizem360 mg and Nicorandil 10 mg twice daily, I have found and need to discuss this with my cardio is that the Nicorandil still works but not for the full 12 hours as it is suppose to, I need to find out if I need to be on a higher dose....This year alone I've been into our emergency department 11 times with this ...it's becoming so embarrassing I'm starting to doubt myself, I'm doing as instructed by my doctor and cardio re-hab nurse that if pain doesn't go away after taking the GTN as instructed 1 spray every 5 minutes maximum of 4 (20 minutes) to call 000 Because I know what it is I try to stick it out and try and relieve it with the GTN when I can't relieve it I end up giving in and calling paramedics because the heart attack that I had could quite easily happen again you just don't know....I can tell the difference between a panic attack and a heart attack or angina attack as I'm sure most of you can as well ?
I have found caffeine doesn't make a difference I gave up the coffee years ago to alleviate the anxious feelings with the panic attacks I use to have.....Also taking it easy will also keep the chest pain at bay but I can't live like that I need to be doing something at all times of the day...I have done some research with varying opinions ,they say men suffer more than woman and under the age of 50...then other professionals say women suffer more than men so I don't know...all I know what gets rid of my bad attacks (pain wise ) is Morpheine or a GTN infusion depends which ER doctor I get
cher42845 samuels
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samuels cher42845
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The Senior doctors and nursing staff are fantastic here, however there is a couple of doctors who are sick of the sight of me as well as several Paramedics, They just don't seem to be able to get a grasp that this condition isn't an easy fix as this doesn't always show up on an ECG, I've had several troponin rises to concern them and have been admitted a few times since 2012, I was 46 when I had my first "mild" heart attack, 47 whe I had a suspected TIA and 48 when I had my second "mild" heart attack. Cardizem and the Nicorandil helped me a lot, I'm on 480 mg of Cardizem a day (240mg in the morning and 240 in the evening) but then winter reared it's ugly head up here and has set off clusters of my attacks, some of the ER doctors don't believe cold weather can set any kind of angina off....
Unfortunately I have been diagnosed with severe sleep apnea, I stop breathing 56 times in the hour (for 30 seconds) and my snoring is rated at 79-80 Db's from memory, I remember I was told my snoring is equivelent or comparable to a semi truck using it's engine brake .
samuels cher42845
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One Cardiologist has explained what's happening to me really good and in laymens terms, I have a what they call a "rare" cholestrol problem,it's hereditary and I get the severest of the side effects from all the statins including the old fashioned Questran powder. How this cardiologist explained it was I was having artery and micro blood vessel spasms and these spasms aren't always detectable on any one ECG, sometimes they can be picked up , they have seen it a couple of times in my ECG's but the heart attack business, that has whiskers on it...lol...I feel terrible but at the same time it feels exactly like my Prinzmetal Angina and ECG normal, however my troponins come back elevated at least twice a year, any rate back to what this cardiologist was telling me is what's happening is the cholestrol is (now this is the tricky part) either eating up or preventing the nitric oxide to be produced in the Endothelium which is why he agrees with our emergency departments initial diagnosis of Prinzmetal Angina around 10 + years ago, No nitric oxide or lack of cause arteries to go into spasms and cause the severe chest pains, I have been put on a waiting list for a new medication due out hopefully soon, apparently it is still in it's trial period and being looked at by our government pharmaceutical board for it's safety, now I can't remember the exact name of it but it is an injectable medication and it's name sounds like something out of the canine dog squad...lol... SP K9H ( that's only from memory that name), it maybe named something else but that's what it sounds like . It is suppose to be an eagerly awaited drug by Cardiologists throughout the world in the hope of reducing even further/ get rid of coronary artery or small blood vessels in the heart from spasming.
For some reason Cardiologist won't test coronary artery spasm via angio gram and I think it's the drug Ergovine, they tell me the risks far to high yet when I researched it I found that nitro lingual spray quickly reverses this drug that causes the arteries to spasm...but down here their opinions differ from any one elses throughout other countries....
I have also been told I may be getting immune to my medication as I have to use it so much, especially in winter as well as having the other anti angina medications in my system. They use to give me GTN infusions but as time went on it took longer to work and from memory my cardiologist told them to stop it, they now use morphine or endone for pain relief, I find morphine works better for some reason, My body seems to metabolise endone differently as I sleep for a whole day after having 1-2 endone tablets for the pain... I can't wait til summer gets back here
I'm not in the tropical areas of Australia where it's warm near all year round, my original cardiologist did suggest I move to Queensland for our winters to stop the spasms, unlike him....lol..I don't have that kind of money to fly up there every year for 3 months and then find a rental place whilst there.
I can't speak to my sleep apnea doctor, he's a very ignorant and abrupt person and thinks he's right all the time, unfortunately I can't seek a second opinion as he is our only sleep specialist, sorry I maybe wrong , I believe we have on more specialist but he is in private practice which would cost me an arm and a leg to go see him, our public health system here is free, but you don't get to pick your own specialists, I was actually very lucky to get referred to our States best Cardiologist, he left the public health system but remained in the private health and he always bulk bills me if I need to see him for a second opinion, the reason for this is because he is 70 odd and he keeps telling me he's going to retire but he hasn't of yet, his receptionist reckons he'll die doing what he likes doing best and thats cardiac work and passing his knowledge down as a lecturer at our University.
cher42845 samuels
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Question for you all if I may...
Now when you all have a bout of Prinzmetal Angina do any of you at times actually feel your artery(ies) constrict then feel as though it's popped open and the constrict again....basically what I'm asking do any of you actually feel the spasms at times as well as the pain ?
I have felt this on several occassions and I was under the impression that you couldn't actually feel the spasms just the pain caused by it reducing the blood flow , I would be very interested to know if anyone else can or has felt this experience, actually feel the artery spasm ?
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samuels Sheri54949
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Thanks for sharing, I think the doctor thought I was crazy when I told him that I thought I could actually feel them spasm.
I've just got back home from our ED(well about 2 hours ago) and am very disgusted with the attending doctor, I have never seen her in there before, she never offered any pain relief what so ever, all she said is My boss tells me that you are a regular visitor here and would I be happy with just having the one lot of bloods done, I agreed as I had the pain start at around 8.15 last night, did manage to keep it down to a comfortable level but it increased pretty quickly around 10pm so I pumped some more GTN into me in the hope of avoiding a trip to ED, Unfortunately it got the better of me and had to call for an ambulance, when I was discharged I rumaged through my medicine cabinet and found some endone, it's now 5.30am here and I'm starting to get more niggles, I'll take one more endone directly and if it comes back after a couple of hours of taking that one I'll be heading back in there and if asked why I'm back in there they will be getting an exact reason as to why I'm back......due to an ignorant doctor and her boss, she could see I was in pain, some of these doctors amaze me,they actually make my mind boggle about them and how they are trained or perceive Prinzmeetal angina.
Yes my last episode last an an hour and a half as well but does come back 15-30 minutes later (on my bad days)
cher42845 samuels
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The consultant today is going to try something with me, we are going to try pain medication in the form of Endone, he's pretty confident that my troponins won't return a positive and so in an agreed effort to reduce the amount of times calling for an ambulance, the consultant said obviously if the pain is un-effected by taking the endone to obviously call an ambulance. They use to go down that road with me, GTN Infusion but because it taking a couple of hours or longer to start taking effect they stopped it and from memory from my cardiologists instructions, I was even tried on the GTN patches but my cardiologist told me to stop using them and throw them away...lol...I find that either morphine or endone works in getting rid of my chest and radiating pains, obviously when paramedics canulate me and give me 10- 15 of morphine I'm 99% of the time pain free by the time I arrive at the ED, because it's only Prinzmetal Angina a majority of the paramedics leave the canulation to emergency staff now, It's a fob off job but I don't question anyone because I don't want to be seen as or be listed as a what they call a "drug seeker", don't get me wrong, sure I have a few understanding paramedics that actually know about Prinzmetal and will cannulate and give morphine to get rid of the pain. I still have senior consultants that tell me to keep coming in if pain persists because of my past history of NSTEMI's...Cardiology doesn't even have a real management plan in place for me, the only thing that I'm aware of is blood to be taken to make sure there has been no troponin rises and emergency can only treat the symptoms as I come in....All very frustrating and at this stage of being to emabarrassed to call ambulance and always being in our ED, Knowing everbody by their names now, which isn't to bad I suppose, at times you get to bump into them in the streets and have bit of a chin wag...lol...unusual way to make new friends but it's great to make new friends under the circumstances.
I don't really like taking endone as I must metabolise it slowly as I sleep the whole day after having one or 2 endone tablets, Morphine I'm fine with, it does it's job and I don't have the "day after" issues like I do with endone.....lol..I've actually just woken up after 4 endone since around 1.30 this morning and 12.30pm today...I will more than likely nod off again in the next hour and that will be it until tomorrow night....lol....I will have to force myself to stay awake tomorrow and find something to keep me busy.
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fiona82663 cher42845
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Well they found I had the Cardiac ones at Mayo with recreation, and they found the renal spams as well. SO they decided to see wha twas up with yes & had . Migrains horribly and eyes at one point unable to see. So they started testing to see if the vessels in eyes and head also had been affected and they are. Had a transient ischemic attack (TIA) due to spasm. TIA causes stroke liek symptoms. Tia can be clots btu ca also be the spams in my case spasms. That runs in my famly as well as the Prinzmetal Angina. SO lately the specialists working with me are believing more and more that all my vascular issues are all related and inherited . Which seems pretty resonable. I suspect you are right. Yes the head often feels intense pressure before it goes into full blown litghtenign pain. Often face numbs. Have trouble wlaking and talking. It is pretty dang scary at times. The vessels in eyes htey coudl see spasm. the oens in head took MRI when it was happening with contrast.
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julie01285 cher42845
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As i need sedation with virtually every procedure as feel pain intensely anaethetists have often refused assistance especially when pulse drops to below 80 at Dentist.I have continual problems due,I suspect to Insurance Companies directing as had MI [ cardiac arrest] 11 yrs ago after enduring classic heart failure symptoms which still have re: breathing- going upstairs & moving standing for more than 5 min .It has taken since then to discover pulmonary hypertension so could access diuretics for oedema now lips- lymphedema .This was only found when an implanted Reveal device reveals nothing except the PAH . The comotosing on eating daily does not show up even on day of MI just taken off holter monitor.The spinal spasticity spasms that improve when take acute uti medication But because not this is not acute or terminal the NHS disregards the multi conditions blaming me for their lack of research & Hippocratic oaths & cost . Now steroid injections which have helped have worn off & have deliberately ignored for a year causing problems in all my weaker areas - trigger points CFS/fibro due to weak heart pumping. .Yet they have still not investigated fairly these anomalies besides me suggesting stem cell trials & paying a fortune for basics often one consultation denying investigation NB The insurance says I have preexisting conditions the NHS has used computers to ignore despite disability .Needless to say had spasms after Xmas dinner which caused me to be isolated as didn't want to ruin the day.Did the machine record ? I suspect not as not keeping in touch sampling 6 monthly .
Bishpick1 samuels
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Yes, I had one series of attacks in 2016 while still taking a Beta Blocker and I could feel my brachial artery spasm. You could see the carotid artery spasm in my neck at the attacks worst. As far as I can tell I have had prinzmetal's longest of anyone I spoken to. I'm coming up on 42 years this February (I was 15 when I had my 1st attack) un fortunately the USA seems to be lagging behind in even recognizing prinzmetal's as a real disease. I lived with and suffered through 4 Myocardial infarctions before it became a crisis situation ... no diagnosis... then the real trial began 27 major cardiac events in an 18 month period, including 2 large MI's 3 small ones and a transmural infarction (thought that one would kill me, at times during the next 18 months I wished it had) then after being listed as preinfarction syndrome for 3 months, I finally had a cardiologist get irrefutable proof of prinzmetal's. He got a picture during a Cath with my entire heart in spasm not just the arteries, FINALLY a diagnosis. But, back to your question again yes. While on Beta blockers the spasms would affect a much wider range of tissues and I could feel them.
The moral to the story I guess is anyone who thinks prinzmetal's is nothing but a minor nuisance is fooling themselves. It is very serious and quite deadly if allowed to act un checked , I had one Dr. Say it's not very dangerous 1 day then 4 days later he was yelling at me to be quite because he was "trying to save my life" during a really bad atack. ... not dangerous... really? My Doctor , in the end, did find a solution to over 95 percent of the attacks but I think it's to drastic for most. It's just the only way I was going to live any longer. 80mg isosorbide dinitrate spread to twice a day and 360mg of varapamil (maxim dosage for someone my size on both) this stoped my heart completely. Then i was given a pacemaker to keep me ticking at 60bpm. Now only sudden cold, large humidity changes, stress, or foods high in acetylcholine will trigger attacks. These days my biggest concern is becoming nitro tolerant.
samuels Bishpick1
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Hi Bishpick,
?It's not a condition really recognised down here either, USA seem to be leaps and bounds ahead of Australia in diagnosing this condition. Cold weather ,quick puff of wind to the face, high emotional stress and extreme heat are triggers for mine as well, although can come clean out of the blue while watching TV or wake me from my sleep. I am nitro tolerant now especially to the GTN, I reckon I could drink a bottle of that stuff with out it effecting me
Not sure what's going to happen to me, have to see if it's medication related or mechanical, my heart rate sits between 40-48 bpm.
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