Prostate biopsy
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Read all the horror stories about prostate biopsy I have just been for one and I am the worst patient on the planet anyone that is nervous about it you have nothing to worry about it was a doddle no pain what so ever
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romneyj thomas14197
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Hi Thomas,
From my experience I agree with you but some have not had such food experiences. It would seem that it may depend on the training and care of the operator.
I'm glad it went well with you though. I hope for the best results.
Romney
bear63 thomas14197
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not so in my partner's case..painful,undignified,rushed into.Blood in semen for 4 weeks,blood in urine for a week,swelling and tenderness for 2 weeks.Raging urine infetion within 2 days,requiring more antibiotics..
bear63
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RichardKen bear63
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Cheers Richard
richard98806 thomas14197
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thomas14197 richard98806
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ES28567 thomas14197
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I'm glad it went well for you. I agree with Romney, I think it has a lot to do with the experience and technique of the urologist. My procedure was almost totally painless with a few samples feeling like being snapped with a rubber band. However, about 30 minutes after the procedure I experienced some extremely painful spasms. I don't know if it was my prostate or possibly bladder spasms. It might have to do with the fact they took 22 cores.
I'm not a fan of biopsies but sometimes as in my case they are necessary. Just a few things to consider. If the urologist recommends a biopsy based only on a high PSA score:
Insist on a 3T MRI first to see if there are any "areas of concern". If not, you might want to pass on the biopsy until there is more evidence to warrant jumping on the biopsy table.
If there are "areas of concern" have a fusion based biopsy to target those "areas of concern". This will increase your chances of finding any issues.
So regarding the procedure being undignified. Here's an interesting comparison...my wife just had a mammogram and ultrasound at the local hospital. She asked if any men perform the procedure. She was told they only have women do these procedures. But when I went in for my prostate biopsy with everything I own hanging out, there was the urologist plus the physicians assistant (female) and nurse (female) and two more trainees (both female). I was not asked if this was ok with me. I was ok with it but there seems to be a double standard when it comes to preserving the integrity of men.
RichardKen ES28567
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Cheers Richard
bear63 RichardKen
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well,neither informed of all risks (false negatives-first biopsies average cancer pick up rates of 47\%-,requiring further biopsies,sepsis,duration of possible bleeding,potential-or actual!pain..) nor presence of third woman in room discussed(chaperone,should be 'offered and discussed),door opened halfway through procedure for another person to hand over paperwork(urine test results,which should have been checked before proceeding),misinformed about possibility of mri first,and left to go home after 15 mins..gp neither informed of biopsy having been done,nor result 10 days after results appointment..gold standard?hardly..informed consent obtained?decidedly not..concern raised with health board?yes,maybe one way to get this looked at and changed..
romneyj bear63
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So much depends on the professionalism of the whole team. Without a good team everything deteriorates. With a good team procedures work well, the team is better informed and so, as a result, is the patient. Clearly your NHS Trust is desperate for a good new team leader in their Urology department to take them all into real medicine. All your partner can do is get referred to a decent team from now on - I wouldn't stick with a department that treated me like that.
bear63 romneyj
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romneyj bear63
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Here here - I agree fully bear63. If anyone wants details of with urology group I had under which NHS trust in SE England just PM me for details. I had a very professional group (though I believe all groups jut don't understand the importance of rapid,ideally pre and post op oxygenation of the penis and keeping going for 2 yrs plus if necessary in order to reduce the level of post RP ED).
ES28567 romneyj
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romneyj ES28567
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Oxygenation is the brought about by large volumes of oxygenated blood entering the penis. This occurrs every night in a healthy male - nocturnal erections last 2 to 3 hrs and maintain the penis health.
RP, even in the hands of the most experienced surgeon, results in a degree of cavernosal nerve damage (neuropraxia). The main mechanism through which this is thought to occur is neuropraxia probably caused by:
a. direct trauma during surgery,
b. thermal damage due to electrocautery,
c. cavernous nerve ischemia due to vascular injury (such as the accessory pudendal arteries), and local inflammatory effects associated with the procedure.
This results in total lack of noctutnal erections or any sort of erections and a chain of events that result is fibrisis leading to shrinkage of the penis and permanent damage to the system.
Neuropraxia is, fortunately, reversible (it may take a long time though) but the if permanent damage has occurred it will be too late.
It is really important therefore to maintain good levels of oxygen to the penis as soon as possible post-op. This can be managed with a comvination of several ways:
1. Taking Daily PDE5 inhibitors - one of the following (for up to 3 yrs post op until normal function returns)
Avanafil - 200mg
Tadalafil – 5mg
Sildenafil – 100mg
Sildenafil is the cheapest but in clinical trials Avanafil gave the best results followed by Tadalafil.
2. Twice daily use of a VED (Vacuum Erection Device) - for the frist 2 months post op and continuing once daily till normal erectile function returns.
3. If the PDE5 inhibitors have no effect at all in the beginning then 3 x weekly use of PGE1 injectopn into the penis (Caverject). This should only be needed for the first one to two months.
It is important to use a combination of drugs and VED in orfer to maximise the oxygenation and maintain the health of the penis while the nerves are repairing themselves. In post cases nerve repair will occurr over the first year but there is evidence that it may take up to three years. Don't give up on maintaining oxygenation before erectile function returns to the point where your nocturnal erections are routine again!
My apologies for such a long answer. If you are interested in the full physiological story I would be happy to PM you.
RichardKen romneyj
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Many thanks for such a comprehensive posting. I had hormone treatment followed by RT and have had an almost zero PSA score in the eighteen months following.
I'm using Levitra10mg tablets with a reasonable level of success but do not want to be totally dependent on this for a good erection so I asked my GP to prescribe a pump which should be available for me any day.I think there is a lot of truth in use it or loose it but the medical world does not seem to be much concerned beyond carrying out the initial treatment IMO.
Cheers Richard
romneyj RichardKen
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I could not agree with you more. There are so many papers published that there is no excuse for ignorance. Don't worry about being dependant - it is a key part of maintaining oxygen levels along with the pump. Your GP may need the urologist to recommend it and for you to have 'proper training' at a urology clinic before he/she writes a prescription for a VED.
If you google 'you tube Dr. John Mulhall - Erectile Dysfunction' you will find a really helpful talk by him. He also comments (I think in that video) on the total lack of knowledge of urologists in this area.
RichardKen romneyj
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Cheers Richard
RichardKen romneyj
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Many thanks for the lead. I've now watch the long video and found it very interesting and suggest all here who have not seen it to do so.
Cheers Richard
romneyj RichardKen
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RichardKen romneyj
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Thanks it was very useful, much appreciated..replied off list.
Cheers Richard