PVNS: experience and causes

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I recently got diagnosed with the fairly rare condition called Pigmented villonodular synovitis (PVNS) a disorder which affects joints. In my case, it was my knee joint, as is often the case.

I'm posting this to help others better identify and understand this condition, and also to explore any possible causes.

PVNS is very easily misdiagnosed by GP's. It was misdiagnosed twice in my case, by two different doctors.

Because it's more common in the 30's and 40's age group, and the symptoms are similar to arthritis, it can be misdiagnosed as the early onset of arthritis of the knee/joint in people who are in the upper end of this age bracket.

In the case of the PVNS affecting the knee joint which results in a tumour growth at the back of the knee (as in my own situation), because the condition often arises after a trauma to the knee joint, the condition can be misdiagnosed as a simple lingering knee injury, leaking joint fluid, giving rise to a Bakers Cyst.

The symptoms of PVNS are both sporadic and very similar to both an ordinary knee injury and arthritis as the condition progresses. The joint becomes stiff and movement restricted. It's usually painless in the early stages but as it progresses it causes mild to moderate discomfort with a persistent burning pain around the joint area.

If left untreated, PVNS in its advanced stages, can render the joint completely unusable, requiring a complete joint replacement.

Here's my own experience of PVNS:

I was taking Tramadol (a painkiller) for back pain and was heavily into exercise and was also carrying a heavy bicycle every day up and down stairs. I injured my knee. This was due to the Tramadol I believe. My pain tolerance threshold was at a much higher level, so the injury didn't fully register and I continued exercising and carrying the bicycle, further straining the already injured knee.

Two years later, the knee joint gradually became stiffer and a lump appeared at the back of the knee. It became so stiff I could no longer crouch or bend down to tie my shoe laces. I went to the doctor and was misdiagnosed as mentioned. The second GP ruled out arthritis from an x-ray and to confirm his diagnosis of a leaking joint and Bakers Cyst, he requested an ultrasound scan of the joint. The scan showed an overgrowth on the lining of the knee joint and a tumour growth, resulting in a PVNS diagnosis by an orthopedic consultant.

A proof-positive diagnosis is carried out from sample by examining cells under the microscope from the joint which have the typical PVNS-like abnormal characteristic.

There's two forms of PVNS, localised and diffused. The localised version is what I have. It is a lot easier to treat using key-hole surgery with a better prognosis for recovery. Diffused PVNS affects the entire joint lining, requiring open surgery to remove all of the knee lining and it has a much higher risk (almost 50%) of returning, and requiring extensive physiotherapy.

PVNS is quite a rare condition as I mentioned. Therefore it's not encountered very much by GP's and there hasn't been much research done into the causes of the condition or why it returns in many sufferers. It's not thought to be hereditary, and as I mentioned, trauma to the affected joint is a common feature.

This leads me to wonder if certain medicines, or activities, may cause the condition. As I mentioned, in my own case I was taking Tramadol (at a normal dose of 50mg once daily) for several years, both prior to, and after my knee injury.

I'd be interested to hear from anyone else out there who suffers with PVNS and their backgrounds, in particular:

Anyone who has developed PVNS while being on Tramadol or similar drugs?

Anyone who has developed PVNS after a sports or work related injury, which they ignored?

How much time elapsed from any initial injury to PVNS symptoms and diagnosis?

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    I have posted before but would like to update my situation abd ask for advice. I was 69 when i had a TKR and only when on the operating table was diffuse PVNS discovered. i had symptoms for about 4/5 years before but did not recognise them and thought it was due to my tennis. After a synovectomy and TKR I was out of action for 13 difficult and painful months. Although i have restricted movement in my knee, about 175 straight and 100 bend, I resumed tennis on a limited basis. After six months my other knee started to hurt and is marginal for replacement. At the same time my PVNS knee started to really become painful and I have not played tennis for 4 months with no amelioration in the stiffness and pain.

    My surgeon does not think the PVNS has returned, but with a new knee I do not know what the symptoms are. I have had no tests yet, but the pain, stiffness and heat in the knee are worrying.

    Has anyone had a recurrence after a TKR and what should I be looking for?

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      It seems to be such a sneaky disease Its hard to tell. I had gone about 9 yrs after the original tkr. Never had any indication the tumor was active although I knew the had to leave some in there because of the danger associated with removal. I started having horrendous pain on and off. Finally went to the ortho/oncologist that did the synovectomy 9 yrs prior. She sent me to one of professors who ran some further tests and found it had eaten enough of the bone to cause the prosthesis to break loose and it was moving around. The pain was coming from nerves being irritated and revision was necessary. 2 years later the revision had to be removed because of a serious staph infection and again he found several spots on the bone. Again they can't get it all because it sits in a nerve bundle.

      By chance, did you ask your Dr about his history with the disease and how he came to the conclusion it wasn't back. As far as I know the only way you can tell is either a scope/biopsy or open knee surgery. My surgeon has seen apps 25 cases (he is a professor/surgeon at a state university medical center and gets referrals from through the entire area.

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    Thanks for the input. Before diagnosis my knee would intermittently swell up grossly and be too painful to walk on. Then, after few days, be Ok for a while. Now it is constantly painful and stiff, but not particularly swollen.

    I am currently in the USA for a few months and return to home in England at the end of February when I have yet another appointment with the surgeon. He says he has experience with PVNS, but I am sure it is limited due to the rarity of the disease. I just don't know what the symptoms are  after aTKR. I think I will ask for a biopsy to try and locate the problem before having the other knee replaced.

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      Pvns is an uphill fight. There seems to be so many varibles from a one time clean out to the girl in Illinois that hat had over 20 starting in he teens. I don't have the pain from it but I have continual pain because of it. Where in the US are you visiting and how does your Healy care mash with our current Hodge podge system.
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    I am in Florida - but have no insurance that covers a pre-existing condition. In England the care is free and my local hospital has an excellent ortho department, even though we live in a rural area. Our system is good, but the present government is trying to privatise as much as possible. Us oldies are always blamed as we live longer and put strain on the system - didn't we pay our taxes when we worked?

     

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      How soon we are forgotten......I guess the only way to know is to ask and hope they are honest with you. Enjoy FL. We've had FL type weather in the Midwest the last couple of days....not going to last much longer
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    Hi everyone, it's Bree a again, I posted on here a fee weeks ago. I am having surgery coming up here on the 23rd. I am really nervous about it. I had asked before but I would like to ask again. The plan is for me to get an arthroscopic on my right knee. They didn't tell me how any holes yet but I'm hoping not too many. Just wanted to know about who had the key hole surgery and how long was recovery?
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    My daughter was just diagnosed with diffused PVNS. The swelling went down rather quickly with only  slight patellar pain and limited active  knee extension of approx. 15 degrees. She is walking almost normally again and the doctors said to wait 6 more weeks for another MRI. She also has an extra muscle in her femur region.  I'm just wondering if anyone out there experienced something similar with dissapation of symptoms prior to surgery. Also what recovery time are we looking at for a full synevectomy if that is needed?  Just wondering if it is better to have it monitored by MRI until things get bad or does the surgery yield to full use for a period of time. I'm more concerned about infection vs. the surgery itself.  Also was anyone prescribed Gleevec to supplement the surgery? If so what was your experience?  The description of this disease also sounds a lot like the histology of trigger points in the facscia.  Wondering if their are any similarities? Massage and trigger point release appeared to provide her with a lot more range of motion.  Any thoughts?
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      Shannon, I was diagnosed wig diffused PVNS and had both the arthoscopy and full synovectomy. I would definitely recommend surgery considering how much pain I was in. It really is worth it in the long run. The surgery recovery time is around 6 weeks and after that, you almost feel like a new person. Now, the range of motion won't be the same as before she had PVNS because she did have surgery but, she won't be in the extreme pain and she should be able to have ALMOST full range of motion. Also, you mentioned being afriad of infection. I wouldn't be too concerned about it. I never once had a concern about mine being infected. Good luck to you and your daughter.
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    I have just had a PVNS removed. I was really lucky as my knee only caused issues three weeks ago (it just randomly swelled up to three times its normal size), and my specialist and the radiologist picked up quickly what they thought it was and removed it all with an arthroscopy. I had previously had a cartilage tear repaired, it was about 15 months prior to this. I also have a pubic symphysis rupture, but had stopped taking pain killers for this as I don't like taking anything too strong. This is being surgically repaired.  
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    Hi there,

    Where do I start....about 9 years ago aged 40 I tore my cartilage which was followed by several further ones which resulted in a partial knee replacement which went well but then developed pvns which wasn't diagnosed for a while.

    My knee would suddenly swell & on one occasion the fluid leaked into the lower half of my leg thus swelling. Eventually I had a full Synovectomy but having a partial knee meant they couldn't guarantee they had got it all so I had a rare Ytrium 90 radioactive injection about 1 year ago to try & kill off the remaining damaged cells. The only way I have been told they could try & get the remaining cells is if I had a total knee replacement which I don't really want yet as other than sporadic swelling the knee is fine & I have even had a recent scan showing no indication (unless hidden) of pvns.

    Since the injection the knee has swollen twice but after icing & resting for a few days has gone back down although due to all the scar tissue etc. is always significantly bigger than my other knee.

    I know people have s lot worse things to deal with health wise but it is almost embarrassing when swelling occurs as the knee practically becomes useless!

    I have been told that nothing really aggravates pvns so guess it's the luck of the draw but at least it's not life threatening although tbh it's had me in tears before in frustration.

    Take care all....John B.

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      John....I was diagnosed with PVNS 14 yrs ago. I had 3 surgeries in 3 months to drain the bleeding, 30 rounds of radiation, a synovectomy and a tkr. 9 years later the horrendous pain started ripping through my leg and it was determined the prosthesis had broken loose and was turning in the bone and with every move it would hit exposed nerves and I needed a revision. When the got in there they found the PVNS had eaten up the bone and caused the damage. When the Dr removed the hardware he simply lifted it out with his fingertips. Due to a broken femur, staph infections ad nasuem, I have now undergone 11 surgeries on the l÷g and each time they find PVNS. They have advised me that in my case, there is a small growth in a cluster of nerves and an attempted removal could cause me to lose the leg. As others who have been blessed with this oddity have outlined their history it seems approches and methods change from location to location and time to time and the results pretty much the same....once you are diagnosed, it's yours for a lifetime. I'm in the middle of the US and use a university teaching hospital which has the highest rating given to ortho departments. As a regional med center they have 2 ortho oncologists on staff so the see a lot of the situations. I had a pediatric ortho tell me of a girl who was diagnosed at 9 and had to have 16 surgeries before her 165th birthday. In her case it was jumping from joint to joint. I don't like to sound pessimistic but you and I and all of our linemen with this damned affliction have our own special cross to hear. I was fortunate....I was 65 when it hit me. At the tail end of my working years I didn't have to worry about fighting the battle of making a living.......I'm now 79 and trying to be a caregiver to my wife who has advancing Parkinson's disease. I limp and I'm in pain but I'm still looking at the grass from the right direction. Good luck.

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      Auto correct makes strange stories even. Stranger.....16th birthday not 165th
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      Great response to John.  We all need you to inform, console, and help us deal with the Ortho community whom I , for one, have not found to be competent in my medical center.  As soneone has said, was it you?, this disease will end in the crematorium, so we might as well deal with it as best we can for as long as we can. My heart goes out to all of our fellow sufferers.

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