Reaching out for help!

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I know this is a long post but it would really mean a lot if someone could take the time out of their day to just have a read and maybe offer some advice.

I have visited this site for years and never had the bravery to sign up and talk about my journey - I find, like most of you must do, it overwhelming the amount of treatments and home remedies out there that you feel are worth trying. After seeing several specialists and trying a range of treatments, my eyes feel worse than they ever had.

So I have decided to finally bite the bullet and sign up in the hope someone in this wonderful community may be able to offer some help.

Here is the timeline so far:

October 2017 - I visit the opticians for a routine appointment and the optician notes that it appears I have mild blepharitis. I have never heard of this before so I am given blepahosol ointment and told to do a warm compress and I then purchase a gel mask to heat up. I use it that night and subsequently go into full panic mode as my vision blurs for the best part of an hour (I know now this was oil being secreted). Please note up to this point I had never felt any particular dry eye symptoms. The only I can recall is a month or two before purchasing a lubricating eye drop as I was making frequent trips on the underground and the dry air was affecting my eyes.

I am not very compliant with the treatment as it just seems to aggravate the skin around my eyes (which I had never noticed before is slightly red and seems to have spider veins in them. They were pink in appearance and not unsightly)

I largely forget about blepharitis and go on with my life.

January 2018 - I go to the GP (I can't recall why) regarding my blepahritis - I believe it was because now I had noticed the redness of my eyelid margins and was concerned about the asehtetics, I had no adverse dry eye or blepharitis symptoms. I am instructed to use a cotton wool bud and baby shampoo and wash my eyelids.

I do this for several weeks but my eyelid margins are now red and irritated, I still do not recall any dry eye symptoms (such as light sensitivity, burning etc)

April 2018 - I begin using the gel mask more regularly but I find that the following day it is drying my eyes. I begin to suffer with burning sensation the day after I use it.. I discover the dry eye zone forum and purchase wet ones out of desperation but do not go through with using them as it just does not feel right. My eyelids are definitely more red and irritated now, with more spider veins prominent giving me an almost 'rabbit eye' look. I go back to the GP and finally get referred to an eye hospital local to me

May 2018 - I see the consultant and immediately I am told it is not blepharitis it is meibonian gland dysfunction (slightly confusing as I am now aware blephairits is the umbrella term for inflammation).

The consultant also informs me that I have an infestation of demodex that are causing inflammation and my glands are really clogged up and only procuding thick toothpaste like oil. Consultant went on to mention that this is what is causing the burning, crustiness, light sensitivity etc. He was surprised that I told him I have none of those symptoms and aside from aesthetics, my eye were comfortable.

The consultant then manually expressed my glands and instructed me to use g.fml eyedrops for inflammation and warm compress several times a day.

I was compliant with this treatment and I returned to him several times for manual expression between May-July before being discharged as he said the demodex had cleared up and my glands were open. By then my eyes felt comfortable and I feel like the redness has definitely subsided.

He did suggest I try cliradex as TTO kills the demodex, I purchased them and used them for a week or two but they seemed to irritate my eyes.

May 2018 - April 2019 - My eyes remain red around the margins but I do not note any real discomfort. I get occasional dry eye from looking at screens for too long and I develop a burning sensation in shops with fluorescent lights. I notice that the cold weather and wind appears to make my eyelids worse.

April 2019 - My eyes get worse and I try the gel mask but my eyes end up feeling dry and burning the following day, I do not seem to be getting any real oil out of them.

June 2019 - I go back to see consultant expecting for him to tell me demodex has returned and/or my glands were clogged up. He informs me the oil coming out is fine and then tells me that the academic talk amongst ophthalmologists have moved on from demodex and they are no longer a 'hot topic'. I am told I do not need to be seen again despite now presenting with the symptoms he originally suspected I would. I have now started to wonder if it is occular roscea (my dad had lots of spider veins on his veins years ago that were lasered off but never clarified it it was roscea - furthemore my brother and father both present with less prominent but visible spider veins on eyelids. We are pale caucasians) Consultant said potentially but eyelid veins and redness were in normal limits and would not diagnose.

July 2019 - Exasperated, with my eyelid veins becoming more prominent and my eyes looking more inflamed. I book an appointment with a private consultation at Moorfields. She diagnoses with me MGD and anterior blepharitis. She says that my tear break up time is normal but does not seemingly check my glands or express them. She also notes allergic conjunctivitis, I presume this is my hayfever. She says she has had patients with similar profile that have seen good improvement. I am perscribed with an eyedrop for the inflammation, opatamol for the allergy and lymecycline. She said she would like me to try eyelid hygiene and warm compress but recognised my eyelid area was very delicate and might irritate the area so I did not have to. I was very optimistic as I had been hoping to try an antibiotic. After beginning my treatment I found several eyelid veins become more irritated and raised (they still are to this day) I took lymecycline for 5 weeks and saw no real improvement in the inflammation of my eyelids. I did however around this time suffer less with the burning dryness - I did suspect that it was perhaps that my glands were open and the summer heat was helping. I didn't see the improvement I'd hoped and we agreed to discontinue treatment after 6 weeks. Next appointment I asked to a sample eyelash culture and it came back with no staph or demodex infestation. (worryingly she knew little , if anything, about demodex when I informed her of my previous encounter) After another following up appointment she had run out of ideas and gave me the contact details of a colleague who specialised in ocular roscea (which I still suspected) and demodex.

July 2019 - January 2020 – No real improvement and I take on more work at work. My eyes feel worse than they have ever before. I have to work with natural light in office and no lights on because of the light sensitivity. My eyes burn and eyelid veins flush when outside if it is cold or windy or too sunny. I try ocusoft for several weeks but no real improvement. I also try warm compresses but they make eyes redder and I do not get much oil. Winter is very bad and worst I have had it, people comment on the redness of my eyes.

I book an appointment with a local Moorfields branch at the GP in December for the end of January

January 2020 – I go back to original consultant and he tells me my eyes have once again clogged up but not as bad as first time. He does manual expression. He says it could be staph blepharitis and it could also be an immune system response. He suggests when I go to my other appointment the following week ask for ikervis as he knows several patients who had really good progress with it within weeks. This consultant has now said warm compresses if I can but no need for eyelid wipes as irritates my skin.

January 2020 – I go to the other appointment at Moorfields branch and get told I have tear break up time of 2 seconds, my glands are really inflamed and I have anterior blepharitis. She informs me to use TTO eyelid scrubs, warm compresses but also gives me ikervis eyes drops and as well as anti-inflammatory eyedrops. I am compliant with ikervis and do try eye mask but do not seem to get much joy. I continue ikervis for 5-6 weeks but with no improvement and making eyelids more red. the corona virus strikes and my follow up appointment is moved from March to September so I do not finish last 2 weeks of ikervis and do not get repeat subscription.

January to now – I try bruder mask but not getting much oil. I decide to try be fully compliant with eyelid wipes (blephaclean) for 2 weeks twice daily but notice no real improvement.

I have been taking liquid fish oil 1300mg every day since Janaruy - today, it does not seem to be doing anything but I will continue.

I have ordered optimal manuka honey cream as I heard good things about manuka honey but this feels a bit like something else that will inevitably fail.

I am at a total loss, I feel like I don’t even properly know my diagnosis. I haven’t even been told if I am aqueous deficient or evaporative or both. I suspect latter due to the MGD. I also feel my eyes were best after my first, initial treatment but I don’t know if that is because my dry eye disease was in its infancy as opposed to the generic anti-inflammatory eyedrops and warm compress being effective. The veins in my eyelids appear to be increasing over the last few years.

A new development is my eyes seem dry in the morning when I wake up but become lubricated throughout the day. I use Systane balance now as I read it is good for MGD ( I was using hycrosan before) My eyes do not seem particularly dried unless I am exposed to an aggravating factor or sat on a screen for long hours.

I regret mostly not finishing the lymecycline but again this tackles the effect not the cause in terms of anti-inflammatory.

Here is a picture of my eyelids a month ago, this is a fairly good picture as they are normally more red:

https://imgur.com/a/t9EtmWQ

I have some questions and I’d appreciate it greatly if anyone could take the time out to give me an answer on any.

1 My inner eyelids are red, does this mean that the glands are inflamed. The inner eyelid as far as I can tell is meant to be a bright pink?

2 I also can see all of my meibomian glands on both inner lower eyelids. What does this mean. Are they clogged because I can see the oil or what? I am tempted to use warm compresses daily to see if this oil disappears.

3 If my glands are clogged, I obviously have no access to manual expression at the moment. Would the warm compress alone be enough to force the orifices open and allow the oil to flow, I presume this would take a while?

4 I have just started manuka forte eye gel, anyone had success with manuka honey - only see the same few names advocating it

5 I do not appear to have any crusting or scuf. It is mainly the burning from light sensitivty, eyelid inflammation inside. The main things aside from that is the redness of my eyelids – any ideas?

I weirdly find my eyes are better during and after a night of drinking - like the symptoms subside somewhat?

I look forward to hearing from someone – hopefully!

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  • Posted

    I'm sorry you're going through this. My advice is to join the Blepharitis group on facebook. There are many people who will reply to you and will give you great advice.

    I clean my lids with Cliradex and it's been great.

    Good luck!

    • Posted

      Thanks for so much for replying.

      I gave up on cliradex after a very short while.

      Whilst I do not seem to have the itchiness or base scuf on my eyelids that is seen in demodex, I suspect it could still be a factor.

      Did you have similar symptoms to me and what have you see subside?

    • Posted

      This could be my story...I have been struggling for 6 years...and tried EVERYTHING.

      Sometimes I get really nuts because I blink my eyes a lot-it's almost like a tic and this happens when I am driving a car-watching tv or using the computer.

      It is impossible to use the tv or computer because my eyes hurt a lot and can not stand the light. Went to many doctors and I have some tips and questions for you.

      First thing...I have MGD...my glands are 80% blocked and I have plugs in my eyes. (this helps a lot if you have dry eyes)

      Do not use to many eye gels or eye drops,it makes thing more worse for me.

      When I watch tv I use a bit of manuke honey on my eyelids,this helps a bit.

      Heat and steam is fantastic because my glans become unblocked and a lot of toothpaste comes out...but I don't understand that in just a few hours all of this is blocked again. For me it feels a bit like acne...it goes away (the inflammation) but comes back in a few hours.

      Blephasteam goggles are also good but it is not a miracle.

      Do you suffer from constipation because I do and I really think it is related.

      Or maybe I am wrong???

      You need to steam with closed eyes for 10 minutes and when you do blinking exercices...a lot of stuff comes out off it and if you use a heat pad,you need to use it for 15 minutes and do eyelid massage...

      My life is really bad because of this: I can not drive anymore- difficult to watch tv or use the computer and shopping (airco and heat) is very difficult.

      Also use sunglasses a lot. Drink a lot of water.

      My language is not 100% perfect,so I hope you undestand everything I am telling you.

      When I drink alcohol I also feel better. Strange...it numbs...I guess...

      If you steam,10 minutes,do not use boiling water...let it cool for a few seconds so it is not boiling any more...steam and then do eyelid massage....

    • Posted

      I do not suffer from any constipiation, no.

      It sounds like you are slightly further along the line than me but I share your frustration and feeling of helpelessness.

      I was hopeful regarding the manuka honey as I recall seeing you praise it around the forum or was it not as effective as hoped. Or perhaps I have you confused?

      Thanks for taking the time to reply I appreciate it.

      I am going to try cliradex this week.

  • Posted

    sorry to hear youre going through this for me personally the game changer was when i stopped warm compresses

    i now clean my eyes with a foaming eyelid cleanser which is boots own brand and i use that with cold water ive been doing that for a good few months and have had no issues i do this along with using manuka honey and some homemade eye drops made from white onion juice (ayuvedic remedy)

    the warm compresses were defo not helping me infact it was making my eyes red puffy and sore

    • Posted

      I will persist with the Manuka honey.

      My only worry is when I see my consultant he almost always tells me my oil consistency is very poor after he has manually expressed it say a few months before.

      Something foul is at play that I need to tackle.

      It just feels like the warm compresses do not secrete enough oil and just aggravate the veins on the eyelids.

      Thanks for responding

  • Posted

    Hi James, I also have had eye problems. A few years ago I was told I had mild blepharitis and was told to do the lid hygiene thing with baby shampoo. Then about two years ago my eyelids became stuck in the morning so that opening my eyes in the morning was actually quite painful. The opthalmologist diagnosed me with blepharitis (chronic), ocular rosacea (I also have the ordinary rosacea) and Meibomian gland dysfunction. Like you, I was told to do the hot compress every day (had to go and buy a microwave!) and to use Optase wipes and to massage the area. Well, for starters the Optase wipes made my eyes very sore and I think its the teatree oil in them that does that, just didn't agree with me. So now I use Blephaclean, occasionally. I say occasionally, because since the Covid19 lockdown I have not been in the office and what a difference! No more days spent 7 hours in front of the computer!! From that point my eyes are much better, though still a bit glued in the morning. I use a thickish lubricating cream at night, which helps a bit. I haven't come across the Manuka Forte eye gel! My reply might not be much help to you, but I'm guessing that you work in an office with computers? My eyes also get very irritated with dry wind, and I tend to wear sunglasses even if the sun isn't shining. I hope you find something that helps, and perhaps an antihistamine during hayfever time? Good luck and if you find something that works, please let us know!

    • Posted

      Hi Stefania

      Yeah the baby shampoo shouldn't be recommended in my opinion, way too rudimentary of an answer to such a complex issue.

      I used blephaclean for the last 2 weeks twice a day and can't say I saw any major improvement but then I do not have any debris on my lashes or margin. So it's all very confusing.

      I too suspect ocular roscea but I do not have the facial roscea (yet!) but I am in my late 20s.

      I am on a strong perscription antihistamine as I was last year but it didn't result in any respite from my dry eye symptoms .

      I agree no screens definitely helps the issue but its tough in today's society.

      I will continue with the manuka honey and will retry cliradex.

      I am half tempted to be compliant with warm compress for a week or two but few the damage I will do to the skin around my eye and the new spider veins which may sprout

    • Posted

      I have been using blephaclean also but for me not a miracle...just helps a bit.

      Will try a new thing tomorrow: every day green tea with a fresh lemon...

      Some people say after a few weeks they are a lot better...

      So fingers crossed!

      Please do the steam...that is the best thing and manuka honey!

  • Posted

    hi i was diagnosed with facial rosecea about 20 years ago. Then about 5 years ago diagnosed by optician with blepharitis with no symptoms . About 2 years ago eyes started to play up. I've tried everything but have gone back to bathing my sticky eyes upon waking with warm water on cotton wool pads, occasional use of Blephaclean wipes. I wash and massage my eyelids with warm water several times during the day. I too have noticed that since I'm working from hone and not in air con office - eyes are slightly better. keep eyelids clean and try not to use too many chemicals

  • Posted

    Hi James. I have suffered with bleptharitis for about 7 or 8 years now, i mainly use Hylo forte for dry irritated eyes, and I use a microwave beanbag for about 10 min followed by gentle scrubbing of my lids with cooled boiled water and a qtip.I have occasionally used Vaseline. My condition has become way more manageable in recent years although i still can't wear eye makeup which i really miss. If I get a bad flare up i find maxitrol eye drops great. The hylo forte though was the game changer for me.

    I hope this is of some help.

    Regards

    Janet

  • Posted

    Hi James,

    I'm sorry this is so difficult for you.

    Everybody seems different!

    The following may be worth considering.

    1. Blinking and squeezing your eyelids may help. The blinking helps with distributing the tears and squeezing helps with the mgd.

      Blink and hold your eyes together for a split second was recommended for me, fifteen times. Repeat 6 times. This was between doing the eyebag, every morning and night. If you cant do the eyebag, this may help anyway. Is there any way you can get heat/steam to your eyes, this should help the oils unblock?

      Also don't expect it to work immediately...

    2. Looking at screens dries our eyes so cutting down on that and blinking should help. I know getting away from screens is difficult.
    3. Massaging my eyelids was described as 'milking' them. This seems very important. Doing this in front of a magnifying mirror was recommended to me.
    4. Finding out about put the FAB research in Moorfields would be worth looking up.
    5. Having more humidity at night in my room probably helps me. I use an aromatherapy diffuser.
    6. Humidity is a major factor. If you are in a dry atmosphere, use more lubricating drops.
    7. Drinking plenty of water has also been recommended to me. Which vitamins are the best, I can't decide.
    8. Hyloforte containing sodium hyaluronic 0.2% definitely helps me and Vitapos at night. I set my alarm to remind me when to use them.
    9. Make sure any drops are preservative free.
    10. When we are stressed we blink less, so not good. Doing something like Mindfulness helps many things including relaxing our eyes. Maybe worth trying?
    11. The massage was described to me as 'milking' my eyelids. It makes sense.
    12. Cleaning with water and baby shampoo is not recommended now, the shampoo can be drying, I've read.
    13. Closing my eyes for ten minutes and having a cold compress on them gives me relief.

      As we all know, it is an ongoing condition and trial and error seems to be the way to go.

      It is great that you got so many replies, we can all learn from each other.

      I hope you get some relief soon.

      Please do let us know how you get on.

      Pauline

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