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Before I begin, this is quite long to read so please bear with me. I realise a lot of this is my own fault so I'm hoping nobody judges me. I have made a lot of mistakes in my life and this appears to be another one. In mid August I met a girl who's breath was really bad however I tried to see past that because  I liked her personality and I'm not somebody who judges people based on    appearance/smells. I drank a lot of alcohol and kissed her and made the mistake of not brushing my teeth that night (not a common thing for me) I noticed a week afterwards I woke up with exactly the same smell she had from her mouth. Not a normal morning breath smell but a decaying sort of smell. It's a very strong smell in the morning. 

I brushed my teeth and flossed and noticed the smell became much worse. Like I'd disturbed something. Now please don't assume I never flossed between my teeth. I did, but not every day (like I do now)...and anyway, when I did floss I never noticed any bad smells at all. 

Since then the smell from my mouth hasn't fully gone away. If I cup my hands and breathe out there's always a lingering of something unpleasant. Eating and drinking sometimes helps cover it up but only temporarily. It is still always there. 

It may or may not be linked to this girl but I'd never had problems with any kind of bad breath up to that point and I know experts say bad breath can't be transferred from one person to another, but other than the poor oral hygiene that I displayed that night, I can't find any other explanation of why I would have the same smell in my mouth now. They say the mouth is the filthiest place in the human body, right? I did take 2 courses of antibiotics in June so I wonder if this didn't help and left my immune system weakened. The only people I have confided in about this has been a dentist, doctor, the girl herself (I approached her sensitively) and my mum. The dentist and doctor both said they couldn't smell anything bad and that they've smelt worse, the girl herself denied she had bad breath (I couldn't believe the denial, because the smell was so strong), and my mum says when I really exhale there's a hint of something bad but it's not strong. My worry is.....not strong.....yet. 

I know this isn't all in my head and it's really getting to me because nobody is taking me seriously. I've lost weight through changing my diet and the doctors give me patronising looks because I'm a bit of a worrier anyway. They see me looking concerned, and always comment on it. I realise it sounds a bit far fetched and if I were reading this I'd probably be a bit skeptical too (Caught bad breath. Really?) but this is honestly how it happened. I didn't think you could catch bad breath too, hence why I kissed the girl. 

My main symptoms are:

1) Weird vile taste/smell at back of throat/tongue when I clear my throat or swallow. I started to notice this more after I washed my mouth out with salt water. The weird taste never went away. 

2) Really bad smell in morning (Not a normal morning breath smell. I can smell an odour bouncing from my pillow as I wake up), and then still lingering through the day, and when I consume anything (weird taste seems to fill mouth. Palate, tongue, back of throat) 

3) If I go up to a mirror, which has become a bad habit for me now (even at work) and breathe on it, I can normally smell something horrible lingering.

4) Notice a weird salty taste in palate and back of throat when I eat sometimes. After a while the taste of my mouth really changed and I actually smelt faeces. Even when I licked my wrist. It smelt like somebody hadn't shut a toilet door. 

5) Occasional burning palate. Although this may be linked to my acid reflux. 

When I first noticed the bad smell I became obsessed about it and needed to find a reason of why this happened and read up online for some help. 

Up to now I've tried: 

1) Seeing the hygienist for a thorough clean of the teeth and gums (made no difference) 

2) Rinsing and gargling with salt water every night (only made the taste at the back of my mouth worse) 

3) Cut out sugar (I think this has helped a bit as I consumed a lot before in tea, chocolate, ice creams, etc. I've found this hard however, because my weight has dropped a lot and I'm only a slim frame. When I do have the odd bar of chocolate I notice the weird taste in the back of my throat and palate gets worse and the smell is really bad in the morning and for days later)

4) Bought strong probiotics at end of August and finished 30 day course in late Sept

5) Bought anti candida tablets on 24 Sept in combination with multivitamins (did notice the horrible smell finally and gradually improving - less strong - and it almost felt like I had normal breath until I consumed sugar, chocolate or alcohol)...was this the probiotics or the anti candida tablets? Or both? One thing I noticed, when I sucked the anti candida tablets it was like the taste in the back of my mouth really got stronger straight away. Like I can really taste/smell it through my palate. Then seemed to improve quite quickly. Within 2 weeks of being on the tablets (by 6 Oct), whilst cutting down sugar, the bad smell and taste had lessened. In my head, because the tablets were reacting with the bad smell I felt I should stick with them for a while. And the packet says to keep taking until you're better. 

6) Changed diet (linked in with number 3) Eating more fruit although bananas and dairy make the taste weird. Cut down on alcohol. Started drinking more water. 

7) Bought probiotic treatment in mid Sept. Lasted 7 days. Noticed no real improvement whilst on it unless the effectiveness was delayed for a week or two (Took anti candida tablets at end of Sept after this) 

8) Bought oral probiotics. Started taking them after I noticed improvements on candida tablets in a hope to fully eradicate whatever is causing this. A weird smell of vomit to them. Not sure if helping or not. Mouth felt less dry though I think. 

9) Bought a tongue scraper and started to scrape my tongue morning and night. Smell sometimes gets worse after scraping tongue. Like I've disturbed something. Maybe I'm doing it too hard? Occasionally I've scraped near the back of the tongue and smelt something on the scraper. Then my breath smelt slightly better. 

10) I noticed I had been eating a lot of eggs prior to all of this (sometimes 2 boiled eggs at a time) so I gave them up at the beginning of Sept. I ate them again recently and noticed my breath was really bad. But isn't that normal with eggs? 

11) I also cut out dairylea spread (as sometimes it would smell funny and occasionally turn green even when in date) but recently introduced that back into my diet. 

12) I felt like my breath was improving and had a pint of beer from the pump at my local bar. The next day my breath smelt bad again in the morning. Very metallic gassy and vile. I have drank bottled beer, and beer from the pump at other bars and not noticed any difference so wondered if it could be a problem with the yeast content at this bar with their beer as I drank there quite a lot before I got this problem? 

13) Bought cheaper probiotics in mid October. Now taking them with multivitamins and anti candida tablets. 

Does anyone know what could be happening with me? I also have acid reflux and people say this causes bad breath sometimes but would it make its way into between my teeth where I flossed? Has anyone had anything similar? The main thing that makes me anxious is not knowing (having a diagnosis) or how to treat it properly. The doctors aren't fussed. Could it be candida overgrowth and do you think this girl may have had it herself and passed it to me through kissing? Is that possible? Was that just a coincidence? Is it bacterial and so by lessening sugar in my diet I starved the bacteria a little bit of growth? Did the probiotics have an effect until I started consuming chocolate again? Will I ever be able to consume chocolate again? It's hard for me to tell because people say sugar will make your breath worse if it's bacterial and fungal so how to distinguish between the two? 

I could be wrong but I suspect from all of the above it might be a candida overgrowth and the candida tablets might have been working in combination with cutting down on sugar and being on probiotics. Until I had a pint of beer at my local. And then had a crazy day on the sugar again. Bars of chocolate. Ice cream. Then I woke up with terrible breath again. I also scraped a bit hard on the tongue cleaner, can that make breath worse? The smell hasn't reduced again since then and that's where I am now. Feeling like I'm never going to fully get rid of this bad taste/smell for the rest of my life, whilst trying to cover it up with all sorts of different products. Of which I'm not sure which one worked temporarily and if it'll ever work again. I can't live on anti candida tablets and probiotics for the rest of my life sad

I'm not even sure if candida can cause the type of bad breath I'm describing. The doctor told me I didn't have candida although he didn't test for it. He just looked in my mouth really quickly and said my tongue would be all white/yellow. Well, it almost is, if I don't brush it. Prior to this happening my diet was quite high on bread, nuts, dairy, sugar and alcohol (not much fruit) and I did take antibiotics twice in one month, like I mentioned before. Never took probiotics at that time. 

Thanks for reading all that, I know it's a lot but I wanted to get as much information across as I possibly could so you have a clearer picture and I can see your thoughts. Sometimes it's better to hear an opinion from somebody looking in as you get clouded in your own thoughts. I'm very sensitive and anxious anyway and this is almost destroying me with worry. I feel so vulnerable, like a little kid lost. I just want to know what it is and what will work for me so I can get on with my life. I wish all of you the very best in improving or curing yourselves, I know this is hard to deal with, I feel like I brought this all on to myself, but let's all try to stay positive and help each other. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. God bless.

 

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    hey tyler, i can understand why you're feeling desperate, took me about 3 years to figure out the horrible smell coming from my mouth is actually the mucus sliding down the back of my throat but it's not going where it's suppose to. it takes on the smell of the foods i  eat and i have a couple of times thrown up hours after eating garlic. so i understand! hopefully the nutritionist wii help but for now i think you taking too many things and therefore can't tell what triggers it. stop eating chocolate if it makes it worse and stay on the probiotics. any time you take prescription medication wait two hours and then take your probiotics or else the bad bacteria takes over and stay on them they can only help. if you want to know for sure you're not going crazy, take a small spoon and put some saliva from your tongue on it, let it dry then smell it and you'll know exactly what your mouth smells like. in the meantime i would wait until the nutri gets back to you with results.
    • Posted

      Hi sinus pro,I was just wondering what you are doing about your situation because I think my problem is a sinus infection,people seem to think the smell is coming from the mouth but I don't think so.it comes from the back of the throat and I think it comes through my pores when I sweat because my skin smells like a swine truck! Someone please help! I have a beautiful wife 4 beautiful girls and can't go to restaurants because the waiter always smells it,and I don't like embarrassing my family.  Don't Know If I Can Take It Anymore!!!!!
  • Posted

    Hi Tyler

    try chewing quality xylitol gum ( Peppersmith)

    diluting xylitol in water and using it as mouthwash

    chewing on fresh parsley when you feel you need to freshen your breath

    Best wishes, hope it works for you!

     

  • Posted

    Omg Tyler, my situation sounds almost exactly the same as yours!  Six months ago I kissed this guy with chronic foul breath and then had the same distinct taste and smell in my own mouth ever since.  Both my dentist and doctor agreed that I have halitosis, the doctor tested me for h pylori infection, and it was negative.  I been buying every mouth wash, probiotic supplement and toothpaste out there that claims to eradicate the problem.... So far nothing works, I'm at my wits end and gotten quite depressed by this.  My bad breath is effecting everything I do, that foul taste and odor is always present even after mouthwash and brushing.  I havent kissed anyone and decided not to until i permanently get rid of this problem, because i don't want to pass this infliction to someone else.  Hopefully this message finds you well and you have since resolved this frustrating ordeal.  If so please share and let me know what finally had worked, any insight or information would be greatly appreciated.  Best wishes, and thanks in advance.

    Kate

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      Hi Kate, and hello to everyone who's replied to this thread trying to help or with their own stories. 

      I can definitely confirm that my bad breath has improved greatly, so please hold out hope. It first started in August 2014 and it took around 6 months before I noticed improvements. So never give up.

      I became very religious in my oral routines and read up a lot about bad breath and this is helping me slowly but surely get my bacterial levels/oral flora back to the way it was before I kissed this girl. 

      I started drinking a lot of water at work, especially with eating crisps (that might dry your mouth because of salt). Every time I ate lunch at work or something sugary I would go to the toilet and floss and gargled with rinse to get rid of the bad taste at the back of my throat. I began brushing my teeth 3 times a day, rather than 2 (morning, after dinner and before bed)....I basically gave the bacteria absolutely zero chance to multiply. 

      I also started taking aloe vera juice twice a day to cleanse and freshen the mouth (Also has other great health benefits). I began taking vitamin c tablets twice a day. I also kept up with the probiotics. I take them after brushing my teeth at night. 

      All of these things have helped me, I believe. I get less of a bad taste in my mouth. I can't actually smell much in the morning. I really believe I'm on my way to eradicating the bacteria that this girl passed to me. I just need to keep doing the good things I'm doing. It takes time so don't give up if it's not an instant fix. 

      I strongly recommend doing these things that I've done and seeing if it helps you improve in any way. Please let me know your progress. Hopefully we can all help each other and others in the future if they ever get themselves into a similar situation. 

    • Posted

      Hello Kate, 

      Unfortunately i had a very similar experiece kissing someone, and i think this virus or infection is transferred through siliva. I can tell you it's very serious and this should not be ignored. After many years of procrassinating i finally reached out to the person who had bad breath and they were very helpful. In order for us to solve this horrible issue, we must connect and pool our ideas together. 

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    hi derick, i had surgery 6 weeks ago and even though my septum is straight which has improved by breathing 100% and the draining of my sinuses immensely i still get some that sticks in tne nasopharynx and dries while I sleep and that causes the bad smell so i use a saline solution to soften it and dislodge it every couple of days. it doesn't feel like there's something stuck but when it losens i spit out out a bit of dry mucus and it's always a bit bloody and that is where the smell comes from. after using the rinse i use a few drops of nose oil so it doesn't stick but it doesn't always work. if i am going out i always rinse a couple of hours before and put your head back so the rinse goes all the way back where the problem is. snort it back as if you were snoring but be careful the solution isn't too hot. unfortunately this is one of those things that will be with me for the rest of my life i have to move to where there is lots of moisture in the air at all times. 
    • Posted

      Hi derick I had a septoplasty. They straighten the cartilege in the centre so both sides have an equal opening.
  • Posted

    Hi Tyler23

    I share these exact symptoms since 2006, 9 years later I have yet to find someone to help me get rid of this problem

    Eating anything with large amounts or sugar really irritates this problem I have especially ice cream

    I have a constant metallic taste in my mouth and it feels like something is alive in my mouth

    Did you ever resolve this problem please ?

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    Hello Tyler, I also have the symptoms you have close to a year now. I visted ENTs, gastro, primary, specialists and they all look at me as if I just have to learn to live with this and that I have gerd. My mouth odor started last year. I noticed my partner also had the same mouth odor and strange taste in the back of his mouth when we kissed. At the time I was living in a moldy room without knowing and then moved out when I discovered it. Since then my bowel movement became out of wack and the mouth odor & dry throat started in June of 2014. I took antibiotics and acid reflux meds but nothing helped.

    Until now, my allergist suggested a few things like throat swabs for stds, candida. Recently, my blood work came back fine. The lab results from throat swaps said I have strep throat and I kept pushing for candida to be tested. My gastro said he will check my stool bc in my endoscopy I have little acid but not to produce the strong fecal odor that he smells.

    I had a chest xray done and my lungs are fine.

    My nutritionist gave me a diet plan, routine of vitamins and things to clean my intestines for a month now. I am also taking probiotics. Eating healthy and avoiding bread, sugars, alcohol, coffee... I have the tongue scrapper and will be consistent on sea salt rinsing.

    I'm still following up with a barrium swallow test this week but I can't wait until the actual test is done for candida.

    I sympathize with you bc this issue has not been identified/resolved and my doctors won't admit that they don't know. One ENT suggested I see a professional on my anxiety, while he is covering his nose from my mouth odor. I told him that I want to find a solution to this problem and how I stink up the my office and when I walk outside, people give me dirty looks from whatever I breath out is very strong. I used to dread going out, waiting in line for purchases, and avoid my friends.

    Now I stay positive  that I am doing everything possible to get the proper testing to identify the problem. After all, this is your health and you will be the only one to know what your "norm" is. Stay positive, continue visiting doctors to get proper testing, research, ask your doctors more questions and if your doctor suggests an endoscopy to see if something is in your esophgus, stomach or intestines.

    And thank you for your blog bc you are not alone with this issue.

    I hope you get answers soon & 200% healthy. Stay strong! 

     

    • Posted

      Hi. I had similar troubles. It turned out to be my tonsils. They looked fine. But certain bacteria can colonize back there and emit a terrible odor. I finally figured it out and am having them removed. I wish I would have known years ago. Some drs only want to take the out if you have strep a lot. But if you explain how it affects your day to day life, they should be willing. I hope this helps.
    • Posted

      Thank you green, I saw an oral surgeon & gave me antifungal to take she suspects it's candida bc my tongue feels like I burned it, white tongue. And she noticed my odor cones & goes. I haven't taken it bc I've been busy & asked on this forum if has taken antibiotics. I'm still following a routine I do & feel to breath better but the odor still exists. I saw one friend & she said she smelled fart but thought it was the man next to us.

      I have my appointment w oral surgeon tmrrw again. She

    • Posted

      Hello green,

      The oral surgeon scanned both my top & bottom teeth & said I have pockets between by molars. She says that can produce fecal odor but I follow up w her tmrrw.

      I've been colon cleaning & will do an enima after. Hopefully this will help w this issue. I can't wait for this to be completely over so I can be confident to work again.

      I saw a new gastro but since he didn't smell anything, he thinks I'm to anxious about this issue but I tell him that my issue seems to be worse when I'm outside. I see the halitosis ENT again so he can check my tonsils again but he also didn't believe me bc he never smells anything when he examines.

      Thank you for your response green.

      I'm glad your situation was sorted out for you!

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