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Before I begin, this is quite long to read so please bear with me. I realise a lot of this is my own fault so I'm hoping nobody judges me. I have made a lot of mistakes in my life and this appears to be another one. In mid August I met a girl who's breath was really bad however I tried to see past that because  I liked her personality and I'm not somebody who judges people based on    appearance/smells. I drank a lot of alcohol and kissed her and made the mistake of not brushing my teeth that night (not a common thing for me) I noticed a week afterwards I woke up with exactly the same smell she had from her mouth. Not a normal morning breath smell but a decaying sort of smell. It's a very strong smell in the morning. 

I brushed my teeth and flossed and noticed the smell became much worse. Like I'd disturbed something. Now please don't assume I never flossed between my teeth. I did, but not every day (like I do now)...and anyway, when I did floss I never noticed any bad smells at all. 

Since then the smell from my mouth hasn't fully gone away. If I cup my hands and breathe out there's always a lingering of something unpleasant. Eating and drinking sometimes helps cover it up but only temporarily. It is still always there. 

It may or may not be linked to this girl but I'd never had problems with any kind of bad breath up to that point and I know experts say bad breath can't be transferred from one person to another, but other than the poor oral hygiene that I displayed that night, I can't find any other explanation of why I would have the same smell in my mouth now. They say the mouth is the filthiest place in the human body, right? I did take 2 courses of antibiotics in June so I wonder if this didn't help and left my immune system weakened. The only people I have confided in about this has been a dentist, doctor, the girl herself (I approached her sensitively) and my mum. The dentist and doctor both said they couldn't smell anything bad and that they've smelt worse, the girl herself denied she had bad breath (I couldn't believe the denial, because the smell was so strong), and my mum says when I really exhale there's a hint of something bad but it's not strong. My worry is.....not strong.....yet. 

I know this isn't all in my head and it's really getting to me because nobody is taking me seriously. I've lost weight through changing my diet and the doctors give me patronising looks because I'm a bit of a worrier anyway. They see me looking concerned, and always comment on it. I realise it sounds a bit far fetched and if I were reading this I'd probably be a bit skeptical too (Caught bad breath. Really?) but this is honestly how it happened. I didn't think you could catch bad breath too, hence why I kissed the girl. 

My main symptoms are:

1) Weird vile taste/smell at back of throat/tongue when I clear my throat or swallow. I started to notice this more after I washed my mouth out with salt water. The weird taste never went away. 

2) Really bad smell in morning (Not a normal morning breath smell. I can smell an odour bouncing from my pillow as I wake up), and then still lingering through the day, and when I consume anything (weird taste seems to fill mouth. Palate, tongue, back of throat) 

3) If I go up to a mirror, which has become a bad habit for me now (even at work) and breathe on it, I can normally smell something horrible lingering.

4) Notice a weird salty taste in palate and back of throat when I eat sometimes. After a while the taste of my mouth really changed and I actually smelt faeces. Even when I licked my wrist. It smelt like somebody hadn't shut a toilet door. 

5) Occasional burning palate. Although this may be linked to my acid reflux. 

When I first noticed the bad smell I became obsessed about it and needed to find a reason of why this happened and read up online for some help. 

Up to now I've tried: 

1) Seeing the hygienist for a thorough clean of the teeth and gums (made no difference) 

2) Rinsing and gargling with salt water every night (only made the taste at the back of my mouth worse) 

3) Cut out sugar (I think this has helped a bit as I consumed a lot before in tea, chocolate, ice creams, etc. I've found this hard however, because my weight has dropped a lot and I'm only a slim frame. When I do have the odd bar of chocolate I notice the weird taste in the back of my throat and palate gets worse and the smell is really bad in the morning and for days later)

4) Bought strong probiotics at end of August and finished 30 day course in late Sept

5) Bought anti candida tablets on 24 Sept in combination with multivitamins (did notice the horrible smell finally and gradually improving - less strong - and it almost felt like I had normal breath until I consumed sugar, chocolate or alcohol)...was this the probiotics or the anti candida tablets? Or both? One thing I noticed, when I sucked the anti candida tablets it was like the taste in the back of my mouth really got stronger straight away. Like I can really taste/smell it through my palate. Then seemed to improve quite quickly. Within 2 weeks of being on the tablets (by 6 Oct), whilst cutting down sugar, the bad smell and taste had lessened. In my head, because the tablets were reacting with the bad smell I felt I should stick with them for a while. And the packet says to keep taking until you're better. 

6) Changed diet (linked in with number 3) Eating more fruit although bananas and dairy make the taste weird. Cut down on alcohol. Started drinking more water. 

7) Bought probiotic treatment in mid Sept. Lasted 7 days. Noticed no real improvement whilst on it unless the effectiveness was delayed for a week or two (Took anti candida tablets at end of Sept after this) 

8) Bought oral probiotics. Started taking them after I noticed improvements on candida tablets in a hope to fully eradicate whatever is causing this. A weird smell of vomit to them. Not sure if helping or not. Mouth felt less dry though I think. 

9) Bought a tongue scraper and started to scrape my tongue morning and night. Smell sometimes gets worse after scraping tongue. Like I've disturbed something. Maybe I'm doing it too hard? Occasionally I've scraped near the back of the tongue and smelt something on the scraper. Then my breath smelt slightly better. 

10) I noticed I had been eating a lot of eggs prior to all of this (sometimes 2 boiled eggs at a time) so I gave them up at the beginning of Sept. I ate them again recently and noticed my breath was really bad. But isn't that normal with eggs? 

11) I also cut out dairylea spread (as sometimes it would smell funny and occasionally turn green even when in date) but recently introduced that back into my diet. 

12) I felt like my breath was improving and had a pint of beer from the pump at my local bar. The next day my breath smelt bad again in the morning. Very metallic gassy and vile. I have drank bottled beer, and beer from the pump at other bars and not noticed any difference so wondered if it could be a problem with the yeast content at this bar with their beer as I drank there quite a lot before I got this problem? 

13) Bought cheaper probiotics in mid October. Now taking them with multivitamins and anti candida tablets. 

Does anyone know what could be happening with me? I also have acid reflux and people say this causes bad breath sometimes but would it make its way into between my teeth where I flossed? Has anyone had anything similar? The main thing that makes me anxious is not knowing (having a diagnosis) or how to treat it properly. The doctors aren't fussed. Could it be candida overgrowth and do you think this girl may have had it herself and passed it to me through kissing? Is that possible? Was that just a coincidence? Is it bacterial and so by lessening sugar in my diet I starved the bacteria a little bit of growth? Did the probiotics have an effect until I started consuming chocolate again? Will I ever be able to consume chocolate again? It's hard for me to tell because people say sugar will make your breath worse if it's bacterial and fungal so how to distinguish between the two? 

I could be wrong but I suspect from all of the above it might be a candida overgrowth and the candida tablets might have been working in combination with cutting down on sugar and being on probiotics. Until I had a pint of beer at my local. And then had a crazy day on the sugar again. Bars of chocolate. Ice cream. Then I woke up with terrible breath again. I also scraped a bit hard on the tongue cleaner, can that make breath worse? The smell hasn't reduced again since then and that's where I am now. Feeling like I'm never going to fully get rid of this bad taste/smell for the rest of my life, whilst trying to cover it up with all sorts of different products. Of which I'm not sure which one worked temporarily and if it'll ever work again. I can't live on anti candida tablets and probiotics for the rest of my life sad

I'm not even sure if candida can cause the type of bad breath I'm describing. The doctor told me I didn't have candida although he didn't test for it. He just looked in my mouth really quickly and said my tongue would be all white/yellow. Well, it almost is, if I don't brush it. Prior to this happening my diet was quite high on bread, nuts, dairy, sugar and alcohol (not much fruit) and I did take antibiotics twice in one month, like I mentioned before. Never took probiotics at that time. 

Thanks for reading all that, I know it's a lot but I wanted to get as much information across as I possibly could so you have a clearer picture and I can see your thoughts. Sometimes it's better to hear an opinion from somebody looking in as you get clouded in your own thoughts. I'm very sensitive and anxious anyway and this is almost destroying me with worry. I feel so vulnerable, like a little kid lost. I just want to know what it is and what will work for me so I can get on with my life. I wish all of you the very best in improving or curing yourselves, I know this is hard to deal with, I feel like I brought this all on to myself, but let's all try to stay positive and help each other. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. God bless.

 

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  • Posted

    Hi Tyler

    Bad breath is definitely infectious and I am in a similar predicament after being silly and thinking that I should look beyond or past this man's foul breath. I am so unhappy and quite suicidal after smelling the same breath on me a week later. I have never suffered from bad breath before and now I smell extremely bad. Most of my family have been honest but others like friends have moved away from me. I wish I had done the same thing with this man. If you find anything that works please share.

    As anyone out there please do not kiss or let anyone with foul breath perform oral sex on you, they are infectious. Please believe me.

    • Posted

      After my own personal experience, I agree with you. Bad breath (where it's caused by a bacterial overload in their mouth) is infectious. Only when you've been there can you say that. 

      I am slowly but surely improving though. So I just wanted to write to you to say, please stay positive throughout this whole experience. I know it's not pleasant and it will probably take a while to remove this bacteria from your mouth (because every time you eat, the bacteria get a meal themselves from the food you eat and they look to multiply) so grit your teeth and don't give up. Try to avoid sugary drinks and food to limit the bacterias chances of multiplying.

      Please see my response to 'probrush' to see a list of all the routine things I did and am still doing to try to normalise the bacteria in my mouth/throat. 

      Good luck and all the best.

  • Posted

    Hi Tyler23, I meant to ask, what anti candida did you take?

    I eat healthy and this bad breath is horrible, I dread leaving the house because people smell & cover there nose just from me breathing out.

    I'm following up w a nutritionist but so costly & I'm not working bc of this. My job let me go without truly telling me it was because of this odor stinking up the office.

    If anyone also had this horrible smell & can't seem to go away, Please respond. Thank you!

  • Posted

    I think u should get another opinion from a doctor and get tested for Candida and h pylori. Hang in there something got to come up Iam going through the same thing and tried everything you did nothing works Ive made a appt with my doctor by the end of this week getting tested for everything!Good luck,your friend. Gina
    • Posted

      Hello Gina, were you able to test for Candida & how did they test you? Did u take an antifungal?

      I'm following up w a doc tmrrw.

      Thanks,

      Chris

  • Posted

    Tyler PLEASE is it possible we talk by email??

    I HAVE DE SAME PROBLEM. ABSOLUT THE SAME . And I have been all doctos that you can imagine. I spend A LOT of money in the last 5 years ...always  they look at me with disdain. I already read a lot of sites, books, everything...I thought and still think sometimes that can be cancer in the stomach but Candida was the only thing that came to conclusion. As that the doctors can not figure out. Please let me know which probiotics you're taking and how mg is.Sorry for my bad english. I hope that Im not the girl that you kissed sad

  • Posted

    I think its your tonsils. You can pick up certain bacteria from kissing. It can move throughout your mouth and into your tonsils, where it takes up residence. Thats why it won't go away no matter how much you brush. You can have your tonsils removed. Look up more on the subject of tonsils and I think you'll find it sounds familiar. Its really really hard for antibiotics to clear it up it just keeps coming back. They may not look infected, but swab a q tip back there and see if that doesn't seem like the source.
  • Posted

    Hello all,

    Has anyone been successful taking antifungal????

    Please let me know if it worked. Thanks

  • Posted

    Hey Tyler. Is your Problem solved or not? I'm suffering from the same problem and I can't find a way! I' m tired of everything. Can you please tell me how should I deal with this?
  • Posted

    Hi Tyler23, I am not going to go on about the possible remidies as everyone before me has already done that. But I just want to share my experience here. Couple of years ago I moved to germany(origionally from India) for my studies. THe Food available was very different to what I was used to and I started doubling down on a lot of processed food like Pizzas and burgers. One thing lead to another finally landing me with terrible acid reflux. On the advice of local doctors I was on lots of PPI and even underwent antibiotic therapy.

    I was able to manage the symptoms. Gave up on lots of food stuff which I thought were triggers eventually left with very selective and few options to eat. Lost a lot of weight, felt week, but was able to MANAGE the symptom.

    As time went by felt weaker and weaker eventually comproising my immune system and ended up with tuberculosis

    The point I'am trying to make is to not scare you or anyone. Having suffered from Reflux for a good part of 3 and a half years I know how maddening it is to have this condition. But apart from fizzy drinks or processed food NEVER STOP eating a certain food type all together as our body begins recognizing it as a trigger even when really it is not.

    Also stop worrying so much, as that is one of the major reasons for reflux and get on with life. Take it from the guy who is typing this with tummy full of chicken curry which two years ago would have been a distant reality :-) 

    • Posted

      Hey Arul! You had the same Problem? Reflux? How did you Manage to cure it? You continued Ppi for How many Days Month?!

      Please guide a bit! I've completely lost all the hopes. And I really don't know what to do next

    • Posted

      It's always better to start by consulting a proper gastroentrologist. Mine advised me first to recognize this as a condition that I should manage throughout my life. As I mentioned during the course of this time I had TB so you can imagine the burden of managing someone's normal reflux along with having to eat about 5000 mg of antibiotics a day for 10 months.

      Firstly, you must eat regularly. NO matter what time of the day if you feel hungry you must eat. Excercise according to what you eat, physical activity no matter how trivial alleviates the condition, but I cannot stress it enough your body should have the energy to burn so ...EAT.

      Second what to eat.

      WATER and HONEY make them your LIFE ANTHEM.

      Just normal every day food. Being an Indian, white rice, lentils, INSANE amount of green vegetables, eggs, chicken, fresh fruits, milk, müsli, were not a problem. Even spices like turmeric, pepper and VERY VERY VERY small amounts of chilli powder now and then keeps your pallete alive.

      BUT make sure YOU cook it at your house. The "Healthy" aisle in your local supermarket is just a sad irony.

      Processed food- "If you don't have to spend atleast 10 minutes to get it ready to eat" forget it for your life. They are not for us NOW or EVER.

      Carbonated drinks in any form are MUCH worse. They actually promote reflux 10 folds.

      Trust your doctor. If he says the condition will alleviate after 2 months of tablets, it usually won't(took 1 and a half years for me) but if he asks you to stop a medicine STOP. NEVER SELF MEDICATE. The PPI which stop the stomach acid if taken in excess will lead to your body compensating and producing 2-3 times the normal acid levels when you stop your medication.

      Stop self indulging. That horrible feeling we get after even a small meal where we know the ENDLESS burn is coming, the horrible helpless feeling we have during the episode, that same old question why me I DON't even smoke or drink, they don't help. BELIVE you'll conquer this cause everyone does.

      It may sound like I have comletely overcome reflux from everything I said above. The reality is far from it. Even now I'am dealing with it compounded by the side effects from tb medication. But I have come to terms with this reality by chosing to eat healthy-managing the condition-staying happy rather than felling sorry for myself- not eating-stop functioning in my life alltogether.

      Next time you feel the burn coming up eat as much fruits & vegetables you can and consciously make an effort to show your reflux your middle finger.   

                                                         smiletwistedsmile

    • Posted

      Arul, thanks. I am curious does your breath/what you breath out change: fecal, vomit, dry mouth??

      I've had tests done & told it is not reflux but I always feel hungry an hour after I eat. I drink water but still nothing. I just started eating other things I gave up eating.

      I'm following up w ENT now &

      I follow up w a new gastro in two weeks.

    • Posted

      Reflux does cause change in breath. Change in fecal matter colour and vomitting are symptoms of ulcers sometimes. The treatment is same for all.

      But as I said if your Gastro guy says it ain't he has a reason as in cold climate food sometimes gets balled up and gets stuck near your tonsils( if that makes sense) and causes bad breath.

    • Posted

      Hey, Thankyou so much Arul! You've shown me a way out of this mess. I hope I get out of all this things soon.

      Thankyou. 😃

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