Saw GP today, better than a visit to Rheumie!
Posted , 12 users are following.
After seeing my useless rheumie in May, who wanted me to drop VERY quickly as usual. as is not evan sure if it`s PMR...I made an appointment with GP, and have just been....she said you drop as you want, as long as you want.....whatever works for you...yipee!......but then the bombshell, why have you never taken Alendronic Acid?.....because after 5 years, you will more than likely now get Osteoporosis, if you haven`t already got it!....(had dexa 2 years ago) was ok. Told her of friend who has taken it 5 years, with poor gums etc from taking it, she agreed that`s a possibility, but it`s nowhere near as bad as osteo.....so agreed to take for 1 month to see if I can tolerate it....thoughts please, as I don`t really want to take it, but doctor said I`m not due for another dexa scan yet.... Thanks for any thoughts or experience of this....
0 likes, 88 replies
tavidu linda17563
Posted
Many on this forum reject them for one reason or another and I have done the same. I do not wish to take more pills than I need to. Glad you have a good doctor and have dumped the the rheumie, most of which are a waste of space unless you get a good one.
liz12234 linda17563
Posted
jean12178 linda17563
Posted
BettyE linda17563
Posted
Linda, glad you have a reasonable GP.
I reacted badly to AA ( breathlessness and wheezing ) after just six doses and just took Calceos. Altogether I was taking Prednisolone for eight years (3 + 5 with a break of three years.). Perhaps I was just very lucky but the surgeon who did my total hip replacement told me I had "amazing bone density" for my age ( 81 at the time ) so osteo porosis is by no means inevitable. Hope you are lucky, too.
EileenH linda17563
Posted
Another dexascan is the first requirement. I've been on pred for 8 years with almost no change in bone density. But I had the same discussion with a rheumy who I saw to get healthservice-funded physio and massage here - I'd just had a dexascan and the results are fine but she said she'd need to look at it more carefully to decide what to do. I told her she could spare herself the work, I wouldn't take it. Especially in view of the most recent research from Imperial (I think) - I will wait until I am nearer a low level because after about 2 years of it it seems to start to make brittle bone tissue with microfractures. The FDA have said for some time it shouldn't be used for more than 5 years - and that figure has been falling steadily.
If you are on pred you are entitled to one after 2 years in most areas - it was certainly that a few years ago in the UK. I'd happily pay for my own - a weekend in Southampton and £55 for a scan I think it is. In the NHS facility.
linda17563 EileenH
Posted
The reason I wanted opinions on AA is because a friend of mine had breast cancer 6 years ago (fine now thank goodness) and was put on AA, she has now got gum problems....but her back was painful and bent over when starting AA......she has said the gum problem is worth it compared to the back pain etc she had....and bone density has increased.....now she has to stop AA, because like you say her 5 years is up....
The doctor said to me Adcal is not enough....
I will push again for a Dexa scan, and if not, will look into paying for one....I told her I don`t tolerate meds very well either, another reason I don`t want to take it....she said make sure you are sitting up when you do take it.......watch this space, have prescription, but......
Thank you everyone for your imput....because of my friend I was torn about what to do....but think I know now......
Thanks again for all replies.....
EileenH linda17563
Posted
She can't tell whether AdCal is enough - it is all I have ever taken and have spent a lot of time of the last 8 years at above 10mg. The only reliable aid to the decision is a dexascan - and even then some doctors just won't accept it.
linda17563 EileenH
Posted
Had to smile this morning told my daughter-in-law that doctor said I can lower pred at my own pace, she said surely they agree at doctor`s and the hospital how it should be done.....as a mother-in-law kept my mouth shut....but La La Land came to mind! Thanks again....
EileenH linda17563
Posted
Wouldn't it be nice if the doctors and hospital could dictate how PMR/GCA and other autoimmune diseases will behave????
La-la-land indeed...
Michdonn EileenH
Posted
them such insight. Did you see the piece on Brexit?
EileenH Michdonn
Posted
I said somewhere else that I know people with more letters after their name than in it - and they still don't have a clue. My dear spouse included sometimes...
Sorry Michdonn - I watched some of it but didn't have time to see it all. I've not heard of him but that doesn't mean much - however, what I saw seemed a fairly accurate representation thus far! Must find time to watch the rest!
Michdonn EileenH
Posted
EileenH Michdonn
Posted
Michdonn EileenH
Posted
Elijo Michdonn
Posted
Michdonn Elijo
Posted
Oh, Elijo you are so right. Many of us knew that, but he got in with help from the Russians, how much we may never know. Almost every day something else comes to light. I also believe the Russians were involved in your Brexit movement. Check out where some of your politicians were before the election. Nothing would make Russia happier, than break up the EU. The French did not let the Russians change their election, good for them. US 😔
EileenH Michdonn
Posted
Michdonn EileenH
Posted
EileenH, as an admirer Winston Churchill, I am sorry to see the state of the UK. Maybe a wake up call for Europe, but the USA is still in a deep sleep. People are very angry, gunman fired on Congressman, gunman attacks people that are black or Muslim. Both sides totally out of control, very sad! 😢
Elijo Michdonn
Posted
I'm in the USA and have a great problem thinking of him as our president. He's a narcistic clown who can't be trusted, all about him. Yes, Many of us from the United States are worried about how this is all going to turn about. He's undoing everything Obama tried to do and accomplished, including the new so called American Health Act which will leave so many people in bad straight. Next thing he'll try to fiddle with Medicare. He's a rich money man with absolutely no feelings for mankind. He's gotten away with too much. Time will tell!
jean12178 EileenH
Posted
EileenH jean12178
Posted
jean12178 EileenH
Posted
not "blaming" you, but bringing it to your attention considering you are the expert on PMR, and this is a PMR blog.....
EileenH jean12178
Posted
I have no control over what is posted by others I'm afraid.
Elijo jean12178
Posted
So we went off the track. We are all fellow PMRers and sometimes like to share other opinions, appropriate or not to the subject. It can even bring us closer together as a cohiesive group. No, politics and religion are not related to PMR, it's kind of like thie body and mind are not separate, but connected and have effects on us. How do you all feel about that?
EileenH Elijo
Posted
Actually - thinking about it, politics DOES have a big effect on any chronic health condition that you cannot manage without medical care and PMR comes under that heading.
After the referendum result I didn't sleep well for months because I have no idea how my EU healthcare entitlement will play out here as a result. And pre-Obamacare, however you feel about it, I was faced with offering advice to people with little or no medical care in a system I know little about.
jean12178 Elijo
Posted
I think the hate-filled rheteroic from the Left is destroying the USA. As Jesus said "If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand"..yes, I know I will keep scripture off this blog......
Anhaga jean12178
Posted
Jean, way back in the days when I was tapering from 9 to 8 I read what was to me a very upsetting piece of civic news just before bedtime. I could literally feel my body going up in flames. Advice on this forum suggested a little bump up to 9 mg wouldn't go amiss. This I did, returning to 8 a day or two later. From this I learned to actively avoid situations which I think will upset me. And not to read or watch news before bedtime! I'd say anything stressful affects our condition, and this includes the present political "situation" in the world.
jean12178 Anhaga
Posted
Anhaga jean12178
Posted
I do get it. But is is also a place where people need to get things off their chest, and all things considered, I think we do a pretty good job of steering clear of the politics. You should hear me rant in real life! But then it's over, and of course here the words stay waiting for some unsuspecting person, such as yourself, to trip over!
This morning (now nearly 2 pm here) I had my usual walk along the harbourfront trail and today's sightings included several American goldfinches, a mourning dove, and a small blue butterfly. Lupins and hawthorn trees are in full bloom. The day is clear and sunny and just about perfect!
Elijo jean12178
Posted
Excellent idea, however we can't bury our heads in the sand. The hate is in the Whiite House right now, and how he hated Obama and still won't let it go. It's a global world now. we have to think, can't always hide in our garden, although that is very relaxing. We DO want to know what is going on. Yes, on this site PMR is the subject of choice, a few other comments gives it some spice!
BettyE Elijo
Posted
"Man does not live by bread alone" and we are not defined by PMR alone ( or whatever else ails us ) ; I absolutely agree with you Elijo.
How can we not be affected by the obvious evils in the world especially at this time in UK. ? My sister's solution is not to read or listen to the news but that would not suit me.
Hate filled rhetoric comes at us from all sides and so often the Bible come up with the perfect expression.
ricky23486 Elijo
Posted
jean12178 Elijo
Posted
I would hope that Facebook or other "social " sites would be the avenue for people to vent about politics.....congressmen were shot during baseball pactice, because they were "republicans" ... Kathy griffin holds a blody head of trump as "comedy" , and the Shakespeare in the Park assainating Trump every performance( dubbed as "art" along with snoop dog shooting trump in the head in his rap video.....this is way beyond politics...his pure evil and hate...
jean12178 ricky23486
Posted
Michdonn Elijo
Posted
Elijo, I suppose we can sit on our hands and wait and see what happens or get involved in 2018 elections. My wife and I were discussing this at breakfast. We live in NM, one of our Senators is up for re-election and a gubernatorial race to replace a conservative Governor. Which one to work for? That's the Question?
Michdonn jean12178
Posted
Anhaga ricky23486
Posted
Ricky, I believe some research has been done, concerning what happened to stress levels, etc, after 9/11. Yes this event (and all the previous and subsequent ones) did affect people's emotional, mental and physical wellbeing. I now studiously avoid attending council meetings, etc, and limit my community engagement to things where I know I can make a positive contribution without undue personal stress. We only come this way once and it really is past time for me to stop and smell the roses! On the other hand, I do what little I can to make the world a little more likely to be a place where our descendants can smell lthe roses too.
EileenH Anhaga
Posted
I was thinking a few minutes ago - I don't know about the rest of you, but my feeling is that life in the last 15-20 years has been more stressful than the previous 40+. Most of us were born post WW2 and for the first half of my life I perceived life as improving steadily. I didn't live in the UK during the Thatcher era returning in the very early 1990s. Things had changed and it wasn't nice. But since the last financial crash - far worse.
Or am I just getting old?
BettyE EileenH
Posted
Well, yes, you are and, as you know, I am even older, dating back to pre WW2! and, yes, I do think that things have got worse probably back since the Thatcher days. Greed is good and all that.
My generation saw huge improvements in the prospects of what are called "ordinary people" which are now being reversed. I think I have been very fortunate indeed but that does not make me optimistic for the future of this country or the world.
If despair is the unforgivable sin then I am damned.
Anhaga EileenH
Posted
I think you are right. Here things started to change with Brian Mulroney, who sang When Irish Eyes are Smiling with Ronald Reagan - so, yes, same time frame. And now we learn that Mulroney was the "greenest" prime minister Canada has had, so he wasn't all bad, in spite of NAFTA (free trade - free trade for whom, certainly not thee and me). And unfortunately the response to 9/11 changed the world and we still suffer the fallout. As for financial crash, there is a certain advantage to living in a place which never experienced the dizzy heights pre-crash. We didn't have nearly as far to fall, although things are a bit more pinched than before but I put most of that down to government mismanagement, not really to global pressures.
Anhaga BettyE
Posted
It's like people have forgotten why the social seafety network was put into place, why we developed social housing, why trade unions are important, why all people deserve to be treated with respect and cared for. Watched Victorian Slum House a few weeks ago and it disappoints me that within one hundred years we've forgotten most of the lessons learned - includng the importance of exercising the right to vote!
Anhaga
Posted
Michdonn EileenH
Posted
Michdonn Anhaga
Posted
The right to vote, I don't know how many people vote in my Mother's land, but here in the states it is not good. We a family who parents were voting immigrants have never missed a opportunity to vote and never will!
Anhaga Michdonn
Posted
Think about what you just said. Which came first - growth of the middle class, hence more equity in access to amenities, services, education, good jobs, etc. Or events, policies, which create greater inequity and push many in the lower middle class into poverty and even make those who are doing relatively well feel hard done by because the super-rich have nothing better to do with their extra money than buy up and level entire neighbourhoods and build luxury condos. It's known that even when people are poorer if they feel there is some equality in their society they are happier than in societies where most may be better off, but perceive great inequities.
Michdonn Anhaga
Posted
jean12178 BettyE
Posted
Betty, Thought I'd finish the scripture sited "Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'"
ricky23486 EileenH
Posted
ricky23486 Anhaga
Posted
linda17563 ricky23486
Posted
Elijo jean12178
Posted
Yes, so much pure evil. Look at the evil, nasty, mean campaign the president conducted, and a newer more violent time has been set. He didn't care who he crucified, horrible! and the rhetoric continues from his mouth to suit himself, not the nation. Unbelievable. This all must change.
Elijo linda17563
Posted
My dilemna is that my husband and don't agree on any politics, so we have agreed to NOT discuss them. We can go to our separate corners, and even separate houses! This probably is a savior for my PMR, no flares!
linda17563 Elijo
Posted
Elijo linda17563
Posted
EileenH Elijo
Posted
We sold our house in the UK to a couple who were living next door to one another. I couldn't understand it - I thought they had a perfect arrangement!
Michdonn EileenH
Posted
My first wife and I could not live in the same state, my second wife of almost 40 years, we can live anywhere together. She has to put up with me ready to fight at the drop of a hat. She only the second person who has ever been able to calm me down. I am a lucky man! 🙂
EileenH Michdonn
Posted
I don't know about other people - the hardest thing I had to come to terms with in marriage was losing my own space. For a long time in Germany I had an office, "mine". When we returned to the UK we had a joint office - and I hated it. David always liked music when working, I needed silence (different sort of work). Now we have separate rooms in that he uses the spare room, I have a corner in the bedroom. I have a good view though
linda17563 Michdonn
Posted
Michdonn linda17563
Posted
muddyooch jean12178
Posted
ricky23486 linda17563
Posted
ricky23486 Elijo
Posted
I'd buy that!
ricky23486 Michdonn
Posted