Severe bloating

Hi, I have been on the fast track diet for SIBO and no luck really, still getting worse, already tested for H pylori and negative. I was gluten free anyway as was primal/paleo most of the time for 5 yrs prior to this all starting, I rarely had bread which was organic sourdough kamut wholewheat bread and a loaf would last me more than a month, also on date night as we had indian, so nan bread or grilld, so bun on burger but I stopped all gluten not long after this all started. So not eaten gluten for 6mths or so now.

I have been on probiotics, digestive enzymes, herbal support, fermented foods, gut healing bone broth and more for several months and most of those I already took anyway for paleo/primal

Frequent meals make me worse, even the smallest portion makes me bloat now, so frequent meals make me want to run hahahaha I have never eaten more than twice  day usually as never been a breakfast person and adding it in hasnt helped sadly.

Thanks so much xxxx

Bad luck that none of the usual possibilities has worked. I know it has been tough for me to find a solution and I am improved post op but still have some ways to go with this.

?Maybe it will all be down to the gallbladder in the end. I'm certain they affect us far more when they become diseased than textbooks would have us think  - good luck with finding a solution x

thank you, swift healing to you xxxxx

Hi Thanks

The lamb sausages were over 7 weeks ago and made by my organic butcher and the only knife pain I have ever had and never eaten since. Symptoms have come back despite this. I eat the burger once evey 3-4 weeks as a meal out on date night usually and had ZERO issues with it, it doesnt have much fat and is grilled, I have checked the ingredients list.

I actually ate 2 pork sausages as a one off the other week with ZERO issues either from my organic butcher as was desperate for a change, havent tried again though as too scared.

I have been back to the DR yesterday, she said its perfectly normal with the gallbladder and I must stop the naturopath supliments which can cause more damage, expecially to the liver?  and use the meds for IBS she prescribed as it will help with the bloating and gas. She has also prescribed a low dose ppi which I am reluctant to take! She also said I need the gallbladder out and symptoms will increase until it comes out, so too present at emergency if I get any sharp pain. My specalist for my rare disorder is also trying to get me in quicker, through the hospital, so she was happy about that. So seems I just have to put up with it until I get that apointment.

I have never had an attack as such, other than that one inccident at Xmas, Mine is all IBS and GERD and now bloating and gas, but stll no real pain just the bloat ache and  aniggly cramp under my ribs which is more like a stitch.

thats lucky, I can no longer eat burgers or sausages even homemade ones as you need a certain amount of fat on the meat to help it bind, but I was able to eat them initially but as the months have progressed I've had to be very careful. Everything I eat now causes pain it just a case of how much.

My consultant put me on ppi's initially but that was only when they thought I had an ulcer, they were ok to take and not really any side effects for me anyway.

Good luck and I hope you can get seen earlier, as from my  own experience it just gets worse.

Thanks, yes it is getting worse, first it was nuts causing upset tummy, then coconut, then I couldnt stop going so diagnosed IBS! after bowel tests were performed. Then the reflux started months later, cannot eat dairy, lamb, gluten, coconut, eggs or very much chocolate, so diet became hugly limited and now I stick too chicken and rice and bone broth mostly which hasnt stopped this new blaot symptom, that is happening wth pretty much everything!

So yes getting worse and worse over the last several months, with a lump feeling most of time under my ribs now.

Read your words: "...diet became hugly limited... hasnt stopped this new blaot symptom... getting worse... happening wth pretty much everything... lump feeling most of time under my ribs now."

There's a lot of obsession with diet and food in the gallbladder forum. IBS is triggered by specific foods. Gallstone pain is triggered by gallstones. You're describing gallstones, not IBS.

I was convinced I had IBS all the way into the operating theatre and that the pain was due to the specifics food I'd eaten or tried to eat. It pains me greatly to remember all the time and pain I wasted chasing the IBS red herring.

Your GP can't resolve this and neither can diet. The worsening and weight loss is your red flag to get into hospital and tell them what is going on. I'm passing my experience onto you because I wish someone had done this with me.

thanks for your help, funnily my mum developed IBS with her gallbladder and still has it despite removal..

I have been restricting foods to stop the upset tummy and the GERD which works for a long while thens tops again

The Dr says its because the gallbladder is causing all the symptoms and secondary issues?

Right now GERD has taken a backseat unless I eat certain foods then it flares.

Hi, Robax,

Unfortunately, IBS is a catch-all term, whether it's IBS-D or IBS-C.  In my experience, it mostly relates to the symptoms and not the causes. Because each person's physiology differs, some can eat foods that others cannot.  

Symptoms can be produced by various foods, but sometimes symptoms and certain conditions are related. If the gallbladder is incapable of storing or emitting the proper amounts of bile, the patient will either have too much or too little.  This can result in diarreha or constipation--one of the symptoms of gallbladder disease. Sometimes, a physician prefers not to thoroughly research a condition before pronoucing a diagnosis.   

I was also diagnosed with IBS-D before my gallbladder was removed. I had excess bile in my system.  My own research led me to find out that there is a hormone produced by the body that allows the bile secreted during digestion to be re-absorbed.  In the past two or three years, a clinic in the US has developed a blood test to find out if this hormone is present or absent.  

Of course, in my case, my gallbladder was removed in 2009.  After its removal, I still had, and have today, excess bile.  I take medication to absorb it.

I recently read on the web an article by a gastroenterologist stating that both forms of IBS aren't really diseases after all.  They're more like "conditions" rather than illnesses. I'm sure that offers no comfort to those who have to deal daily with the awful symptoms.

I hope that your gallbladder removal has finally helped you regain your health.    

  

also I am on a lot of health forums and they seem to think you can heal anything with the right food, obviously not lol as I have been trying!

Hi, Star,

Your mum may have bile salt malobsorption.  I do.  Please see my reply to Robax, below. xx

yes thats interesting, she had hers out more than 20 yrs ago now.

She has a lot of bowel issues though and now has a bag, we have crohns and bowel disease in our family anyway. I have been suffering bouts of D since my 20s usually triggered with anxiety, however this with food started recently, nuts started causing intense cramps and running to the loo, it went from there!

Dr has currenerly put me back on the IBS meds for bloating, spasms and gas until I get my appointment, I feel like I am just sat here waiting for either the hospital to contact me or to be rushed in from sudden pain, quite unnerving! expecially when being told on the health forum that all I need to do is flush( I think is a load of rubbish as I have read the science on it and about it actually been the oil stones !) and then i will be amazingly all good and should keep my gallbladder at all costs as I will be ill and disease ridden forever if I get it out as well as get cancer!) quite unnerving when I am deteriorating! trying to keep my brain focused as they also think coconut oil cures everything, even death i think  

actually my mum has IBS C, she had to take meds to go for years until her bowel almost perforated, maybe she NEEDS bile?

"The Dr says its because the gallbladder is causing all the symptoms and secondary issues?"

That's basically what I'm saying as well... obviously not as a doctor, just as someone who had this. If you do have IBS as well as gallstones, then that is separate and will exist after surgery. Fingers crossed it won't.

Hmmmm, I wonder.  Unfortunately, only some doctors make it their mission to learn all they can, and listen to and try to help their patients.  Others can't seem to be bothered.  

Perhaps a good dose of coconut oil?  . Sorry to learn that your mom is having to deal with all of this.  xx 

Thanks, hopefully it wont but always had weak guts! every exam or stressful event has me running for the loo, however food never has, so this is different.