spiro test from 71 to 66 in 2 years

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My husband has been diagnosed with copd and his spiro reading has gone from 71 to 66 in 2 years. He is 54 and still smoking and in denial about it all. He doesn't foresee the terrible life he is heading towards. He thinks he will be unhappy for the rest of his life if he has to give up. He's tried before and he got so anxious and angry it nearly wrecked our marriage. I've been trying so hard to get him to give up but I can't force him. Does this reading sound like the copd is advancing fast or slow? At the moment his health is fine - sometimes a mild cough in winter. Any idea how long he's got before things will change?

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    Hi I feel for you! I am a carer of my hubby,who is 67 and disabled with chronic osteoarthritis deaf and severely sighted in both eyes! He too a very heavy smoker! Also has e CIG! Much safer but will not tell me why he will not use it!! I smoke but am trying my best to cut it! Stress! Regards Amanda
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    He's has it all to lose at this point. It's vital he stops right now, its up to you to force this. Sorry but who else will.

    When I smoked there was no such thing as the web with all the facts or places you could input your spirometry results to see what damage you were doing.

    See whyquit.com for further info. A few hours surfing the forum of efforts or COPD international may put things into perspective for him.

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    Gosh, tell me about it 'Lolotte'!

    My husband is exactly the same and everything I say just goes in one ear and out the other. I gave up the cigs over a year ago after being diagnosed with COPD, and every time I mention his cough, warn him of the damage he's doing to himself, and suggest he tries to give up, he accuses me of 'lecturing' him.

    Wouldn't be so bad, but he's a diabetic and takes exactly the same attitude over that too .. bingeing on goodies and biscuits like there's no tomorrow. Makes me so sad .. and so flippin' mad too!

    I swear, some men think they are invinceable .. especially if they're stubborn old men (and even more so if they hail from Yorkshire!).

    Apart from suggesting he tries 'vaping' (much more effective and satisfying as a tobacco substitute than ordinary e-cigs) you can't really do anything. As you said .. you can't force him.

    Maybe a (non-fatal) dose of double pneomonia might make him see sense. But lets hope it doesn't come to that.

    Best of luck .. I SO understand where you're coming from.

    Jo

     

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    Hi. Obviously the answer is for him to stop smoking but it is quite difficult and some people cannot just stop. I stopped 10 years ago , am now 65 , so at the age your husband is now. I did it by cutting down gradually until I was down to one a day !. I have had COPD for four years now and am still at the mild stage. Even so it still impacts on what l can do but would be a lot worse if l was still smoking. The decision is of course his but very frustrating and worrying for you. Best wishes. 
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    No-one can give you an accurate prediction about the rate of advance of COPD but one this is certain, it'll advance faster if he keep smoking.

    I was already an ex-smoker (after 40 or so years) when I was diagnosed and my lung capacity hasn't decreased in the 3 years or so since COPD was diagnosed.

    Obviously his condition is already changing for the worse and this will continue.to do so.

    It's not true that he'll be miserable for the rest of his life if he stops smoking!  The withdrawals don't last for ever and there are so many different ways of giving up now:  gum, spray, patches, champix, hypnotherapy, Allan Carr's books and groups  .....   He's going to be very unhappy and very very ill with fast advancing COPD if he doesn't stop.

    Does he go to a rehab group?  Seeing others with more advanced COPD may get through to him, especially the people who can't walk anywhere without dragging an oxygen tank behind them.   He'll have to give up when he gets to that stage or he'll blow himself up

    You're right that you can't force him, but maybe you could tell him you want him around with you for as long as possible and the longer he smokes the shorrter and more restricted his life will be?    I assume he doesn't smoke around you?  If so he's endangering your health too

     

     

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    Hi lolotte,

    I know you know that he is going to not have long if he keeps smoking. I understand his fear and quality of life argument but he CAN do it....have yall tried the vapor cigs? Some Dr's say no bc they don't have stats out yet about...some Dr's say yes bc at least you are not ingesting the carcinogens etc that you inhale with a burning cigarette. I was a very heavy smoker...over 35 years and had vowed I would probably never quit but on Sept 3rd 2015 I smoked my last cig bc on that day I was rushed to the ER and was diagnosed with COPD and the fear on my family's faces did it. But I used a vapor cig bc my son successfully quit using one. He will still feed the hand to mouth habit, he can even get then with or without nicotine so he can wien down in milligrams from that actual drug that's in the cigarettes as well as different flavors...including cigarette flavor. For a very heavy smoker I really recommend this. It doesn't feel cold turkey this way and I've gone from 21mg of nicotine to 8 now and I never feel anything lacking. The best part is...it doesn't seem to be affecting my lungs in fact quitting actually upped numbers and I ko longer need oxygen 24/7. This is very individual but I wanted to share bc I've been there...I'm 55 like him and I know how he feels. Please keep us informed and I'm praying for you both.

    ladyjack51

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    Hi lolotte

    sorry to hear your husband is still smoking I was diognoised with mild to moderate copd only a week ago I was gutted I had smoked for many years but haven't touched one in 6 weeks I'm using the vapour cigs I find them good

    yeah some days I crave a real cig but I know I'm just kidding my self I won't get worse so I leave them alone what drives me is the photo of my beautiful grandchildren and all the fun days I want to have with them

    my brother is 54 very server copd still smoking he needs oxegen but they are reluctant to give it him

    my father died of the diesese many years ago it's so hard to watch some e at late stages

    I hope your husband sees sense wakes up to his condition thinking about you both

    take care x

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      Hi ,first of all congrats on stopping smoking ,,,,ask your GP to refer you to the local pulmary rehab course ,it's run by COPD specialist nurses and physio's ,it's an 8 week course to help with breathing and exersises that will help with your breathing  and  advise on medication etc ,I've been under their care now since doing the course back in 2008 ,and they are brilliant and they don't mind all the mucus stuff ( which I hate even talking about ) good luck and well done for stopping the dreaded weed , this is a great website for advise and help from fellow sufferes 
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    Hi ,you say sometimes a mild cough in the winter ,,,you don't say if he's been diagnosed with copd etc ,,,so all I can say is this ,,,,at age 42 after many years of smoking 15 a day I to developed a slight cough ,,and carried on smoking as I enjoyed it. At age 46 I was blue lighted into intensive care for two weeks ,after speaking to the consultant while still in hospital he asked if I was a smoker ,,,yes I replied ,,,to which

    he said " wrong answer the next one will kill you ". Needless to say I never had another cigarette ,,,,1 year later I had to retire ,,,as I got so breathless ,I'm now age 69 ,and have been admitted to hospital many many times since then ,X-rays showed back then damage to my lungs was already  done ,it was up to me ,,,not to do further damage ,and although I manage to live a god life ,,,,it's not perfect ,,,,I have a lovely hubby who takes care of me when I have chest infections etc ,and I'm under the care of the COPD nurses  who  are brilliant ,I go to the gym twice a week and do 2klm on the treadmill in under 26 minutes and 3 Klm on the bike in 10 minutes ,I can do this ,,,,,simply because I STOPPED SMOKING, ,,,one downside of smoking all those years is I can no longer fly away on holidays abroad ,,even with suplymentary oxygen as my oxygen levels drop to low,but we  manage to holiday in the uk ,,,,if I can offer some advise ,,,it would be ,,,DEFINATELY STOP SMOKING ,,,they ,,,,,will kill you,,,,

    and ask your  GP  To refer your hubby to pulmary rehab course run by specialist copd nurses and physio's ,,,THEY ARE BRILLIANT ,I wish you both well , but read this to your hubby ,,and take note ,,at 42 years of age I to had a bit of a cough ,,,,,,then just 4 years later age 46 I was in ICU fighting for my life .now age 69 I feel healthier than I did when I was 46 .

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    Thanks so much for these replies. I need time to digest them. We only found out how bad things have got last week and I think I've been in shock for a few days. I've never joined any kind of forum before and its amazing how much useful advice I've recieved, but at the same time, I'm feeling so daunted and depressed by it all as the reality and enormity of it all is sinking in. We have a lovely life and I don't want it to end. He is taking it seriously to a certain extent and we've talked about it, and he's trying to cut down. But I know he's not worrying about it as much as I am. I think the main thing is he has to get his head around it and want to stop. He's not the sort of person who would go to a rehab group or research it online. Does anyone know of any short films that give a realistic picture of what will happen if you just ignore it? The vape cigs also sound interesting - he's tried e-cigs - I thought they were the same thing? And I'm going to look at whyquit? and COPD international. I wish I could just force him into giving up but when I tried that before it was a nightmare. He stopped for 3 months but he was so angry about it - he was like an animal trapped in a cage, because he didn't want it. I have to find a way to make him see what this will do to us. Thanks again everyone. 
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      Hi again ,just had a quick look on you tube and there's lots of imformation and videos ,I wish you well ,and your hubby the strength to see what he needs to do ,,,for the benefit of you both ,best wishes ,
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      Hi lolotte,

      Vapor cigs are better bc the Ecigs usually have the nicotine cartridges and whatever else chemical they use. No choice really. With the vapor units you can choose any flavor you want, with or without nicotine and u can wien down on the nicotine as gently as needed. The smoke produced is like a vapor that just disentegrates Instantly. I love it bc here in the States you can't smoke inside anywhere and almost nowhere outside either and with my vape I can sneak and smoke and not be smelled or I can just openly use it with no problem. They have groups or cliques here of people that Vape...sort of like a Hooka bar where folks compare units and flavors and have contests on designs they blow with the smoke. Kinda silly but I swear by my vapor cig. It helped save my life. They say the oil is a type of Vegatable oIL that's used. A lady posted it on here exactly 1 day...nothing that can harm you so far. So thats the differences as I know them. Please keep us posted. God bless you...ladyjack51

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      Hi lolotte

      There is a Facebook page called breathe easy,it's run by a guy called Noah Greenspan pulmonary specialist.

      He also runs a YouTube channel called pulmonary wellness. Maybe check him as he really know his stuff when it comes to respiratory diseases.

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      I know this will sound blunt, but if he's "not the type" to go to a rehab group then he IS the type who'll die sooner than he needs to and with a much faster decrease in general functioning.

      Did he not listen to whoever diagnosed the COPD or didn't that person explain the full ramifications of the diagnosis?

      Unless he gets to a point where he wants to stop smoking because he wants to live longer and spend more time with his family, you can't do a thing about it, I'm sorry to say.   

      Get as much evidence together as you can from this forum and elsewhere about waht the late stages of COPD are like and he may realise the only way to put that off as long as possible is to stop smoking and get to rehab

      I wish you well

       

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