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A few of us have been discussing ways to make our bones stronger without resorting to bisphosphonates.  This seems like a good place to carry on the conversation.  

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    My Osteoporosis Journey:  Background – “high risk” small-boned Caucasian female over 65, taking prednisone for polymyalgia rheumatica since June 2015, suffered broken leg (tibial plateau) when leg was severely twisted when I walked on ice February 2014. My T-score I is -2.0 but I am in the high risk category. When starting prednisone I was told that bone thinning was an effect of prednisone so I took my calcium and Vitamin D supplements, bought a pedometer and started walking more. It was at my request that I finally had a scan in September where the osteopenia was diagnosed. Even when I had the broken leg no one suggested a scan would be a good idea. All I knew was that the bone healed rapidly and well, I had not needed surgery.

    After the diagnosis my GP recommended medication but by then I had started hearing about the potential for horrific side effects, so turned her down and started serious research. I started by talking to my friends. Two of them had successfully moved from osteoporosis range into osteopenia through non-medical means. One remains faithful to her regimen and continues to improve, the other has slacked off and become osteoporotic again. Suggestions from the more dedicated person included Nordic walking and parkour but she does not have polymyalgia (PMR). She also has taken various supplements under the advice of a herbalist. I am not ruling out her methods but am not following in her path, although I may take up Nordic walking sometime in the future. I tell you about her because her experience is what gives me real hope that non-pharmaceautical methods work. A sister-in-law was taking Fosamax but had to discontinue because of side effects (I don’t know what the side effects were).

    I have done a lot of reading. You'll find several good sites on the internet but if they are heavily promoting certain products it is a good idea to balance their advice with what you read elsewhere. I am convinced that the following regimen is the best for me, and I expect to be adding to this, and modifying things, as I continue to learn more:

    Exercise: I have a weighted walking vest which allows me to gradually add small amounts of weight. This is to challenge the skeleton to lay down more bone. I am learning Tai Chi which is not only excellent for improving balance (helps to avoid those bone-breaking falls) but has been shown to improve bone density. I use my pedometer to make sure I get 10,000 steps a day. At present this includes all my daily activity, not just my walks. I may increase this in the future. I also carry on with long-standing physio exercises for osteoarthritis and practice a bit of yoga.  Have recently started doing nordic walking.

    Diet - well balanced, with the following supplements: 

    Calcium 

    Vitamin D3

    Vitamin K2 (K2-4 and/orK2-7, K2-7 is preferred)  Please note that Vitamin K2 (not K1) is nearly absent from modern diets, and is the vitamin that guides calcium into our bones rather than letting it collect in our organs or inside our blood vessels. Unless you have access to grass fed cattle and their products, and free range hens eggs (not grain fed) you will almost certainly need to supplement this vitamin.

    Sources of Vitamin  A   I've read conflicting advice about whether retinol or beta carotene is better, and have decided that natural sources (food, or maybe cod liver oil) are safer choices than taking a chance with the latest fad in supplements.

    You should have enough vitamin E in your regular diet, otherwise make sure you get a mixed tocopherol version

    Magnesium

    Cod liver oil for A and D content. 

    The reading I have done includes websites and books. As I indicated above, always read with a critical eye and take the best ideas from everywhere. I don’t think anyone has all the answers, and also we are each different, will have varying risk factors and so forth. But I hope my experience gives you some ideas, and also some ammunition as you withstand the medical profession’s strangely strong idea that we must take their dangerous medicines!  

    I'll private message bibliography to anyone who asks.

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      Hi Jean,

      ​Like Colin I am very impressed with your story. 

      ​I agree that we take various hints/suggestions from others and find out own best solution.

      ​I am a -4 on the Dexa scale, so am well aware that I am at a high risk.  I am trying to slowly improve myself/exercise/supplements/diet as best I can.  Being on the HRT is apparently a good thing, over time, but obviously I have to get into a good regime now, to encompass what the future might bring.  I am being referred to a Rheumatologist as I tried the AA and I did not like it, making me feeling a bit giddy.  I have researched other things which I feel may be better for me in the future; though at the moment am hoping that what I am doing/will do will help.  The GP thinks that it is probably the high doses of Prednisalone (I think that is the same as Preidnisone) as a child that could have brought the OP. but tells me there is no way to know for certain. sad

      ​One questions:  at what point can/does OP turn into Osteopenia?  Or are they completely different?

      ​I am sure what I am reading would explain this but I have not got that far yet.

      Your weighted jacket sounds like a very good idea smile 

      ​Apologies; another question, what is Nordic Walking?

       I would certainly be interested in seeing more of your bibliography, as I am strongly of the opinion that all knowledge is useful smile

      ​I, myself, have been doing far more walking, and trying to exercise more; trying to balance with my other medical conditions. 

      ​Taking the K2, Zinc, Magnesium, Slow Release Vitamin C (the slow release is best for the immune system as it does what it says 'on the tin' so to speak.  If we take one large dose of vitamin C we 'pee it out' as a past GP happily told me!

      ​iCal-D3, natural Gelatin - for the soft tissue - Turmeric for joint pain

      ​Trying to eat more fish but find it hard!!  So your suggestion of Cod Liver Oil  a good one, though I have been wondering about Omega 3, 6, 9 instead of.

      I would add that trying to relax more is important - so your yoga and T'ai Chi sensible, and funnily I have been wondering about T'ai Chi myself, Yoga I am not keen on as I pulled a muscle once!

      ​I am constantly interested in whatever suggestions ppl might make as all information useful smile

      ​kindest regards Carrie

       

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      Thanks Carrie.  I'll send along the bibliography by private message soonish.  Nordic walking is walking with poles, looks like cross country skiing without the or the skis!  Your regimen looks interesting too.  There are some supplements I haven't bothered with - Vitamin C only when I have a cold, for instance, as I think I get a lot in my diet.  but I started taking E again after a lapse of some years because I had cut back so much on my consumption of bread.  Same with B vitamins.  My understanidng is that -2.5 is ocnsidered the beginning of osteoporosis, but in certain respects the numbers are arbitrary.  A small woman is almost automatically going to be osteopenic because her bones are smaller than the average used to calculate these things.  In fact I've heard that the levels vary from country to country, depending on the dominant body type. So who knows, really?  I have found tai chi hard to learn, so it's good for the brain as well as the body....  Gradually getting a handle on it!cool
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      Hi Jean,

      ​Just messaged you.....thank you, gonna take some time to read it all but much appreciated smile

      Ahhhh re Nordic Walking....I might have to give that one a miss tho! lol

      ​Vitamin C I started years ago on an alternative practictioner's advice, and I am sure it helps ward off a lot of infections I might otherwise catch.  I do take a large dose, but suits me.

      ​Vitamin E I must look into for sure.  As it would be good for my skin too. 

      ​Yes I got told the numbers of the OP scale were arbitary....but interesting that a small woman is is likely to be osteopenic....sad

      ​Hm re the Tai Chi....I didn't realise it was hard to learn....might still have a look for local classes though smile

      ​Take care, kind regards Carrie

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      Hi Anhaga, Can you expand a bit on Tai Chi improving bone density? I only knew about improvement in balance. Like yourself, I relly hate doing floor exercises and have to force myself. If I thought that some bone gain could result from  Tai Chi, I'd sign up as I love the idea of any activity that can be done out in the open - as opposed to a sweaty exercise class . . . .   Kind regards, J 
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      Hi Juno. If you google tai chi and bone density you should find articles on reputable sites that indicate either that bone strength is actually improved, or that the rate of bone loss is significantly slowed.  So it's only part of a whole suite of activites that can be undertaken to keep bones strong, or help to improve them.  I have to say I've quite taken to Nordic walking - much more fun than I expected it would be.  My next DXA scan not until October, so only then will I have any idea if any of my hard work has paid off!  I do the yoga and physio exercises while watching tv or listening to the radio in the comfort and privacy of my own home.
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      Carrie, re tai chi - when I first started, I'd tell my friends that if there was a word to describe one's whole body as "all thumbs" that would be me and tai chi.  However, after several months of plugging away, attending a once a week class and practicing at home a few days a week, I'm beginning to get the hang of it.  I think it could be the improved coordination I've apparently developed which has helped me master Nordic walking so quickly!
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      Jean

      ​:D .....Goes to show that perseverance pays off smile

      ​Anything that improves co-ordination has to be good.  I have been mulling it over for a while but not done anything about it yet....maybe you've given me the push I need! lol wink

      ​.......think I might still give Nordic Walking a miss for now!! lol

      ​kind regards Carrie

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      Anhaga, do you actually so Nordic walking on ordinary footpaths or just out in parks or countryside. ??  I'd feel more than a bit self-conscious doing this . .  Re. floor exercises at home - yes I do about 4  back-strengthening ones at home, but God the're so boring with or without radio/TV  . . .  

      I'm going to research Tai Chi as I think that could be quite enjoyable. Thanks,  J.

      J

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      I didn't take up this Nordic walking until two weeks ago. I always thought it looked so foolish!  Then one day I happened to see a woman walking rather slowly and stopped to chat.  She said she was using the poles because she had balance issues, but she didn't look odd, just walking effortlessly.  So some months later I took a free workshop and bought the poles.  Went along my own street one morning, thought it was much easier than I expected.  I've since gone out quite a few times, and feel quite okay, much to my own surprise!  It has already helped my posture.  So yes you can walk anywhere.  I wouldn't go along a crowded city street, but certainly a quiet neighbourhood, a walking trail, a park, perhaps even a beach or through fields but I'd want to be more accustomed to them before trying that.  Nowadays most people are interested, and more and more are starting to use them.
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      And yes, the physio exercises are the most boring activites on the planet, but for me they are just automatic.  My incentive was a belief that I would gradually become crippled if I didn't do them.  I thought I was having a stroke, a feeling of numbness down one side of my body.  Got thoroughly checked out at the hospital.  My GP said the only remaining possibility was issues with my back and sent me off to the physiotherapist.  
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    As I have tiny bones I suspect that they are quite strong although been judged as not dense. 

    I think we start with our diet and then build on it realising that we have impacted the quality of our foods by overtaxing the environment and even putting poisons into the soil in an endeavour to expedite growth.

    Anyone who falls can break a bone and some people with osteoporosis fall and do not break a bone. It is not a given but precautions need to be taken by all elderly people.

    I knew something was wrong when I hesitated taking fosamax (AA) when I take medications for other conditions like diabetes and Crohns.

    The drugs for osteoporosis have been given too readily and the doctors have not been told of the dangers. I know this from my own lovely GP.

    More thorough research needs to happen. People need to report all side effects not just stop the drugs as the warnings are not there and the drugs are said to be safe!

     

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      It does seem that the dexascan system needs an analysis area where things like bone size can be taken into account. I've seen mention twice of incorrect diagnosis because of the bone size but have never come across news of any attempt by those in power to do anything to rectify this or the machine-to-machine discrepancies. The whole system is rather hit & miss. It is just more examples of the problems that are encountered at every turn because of stupidity, ignorance and refusal to rock a very shaky boat. There is also a lack of qualified systems analysis personnel who can look at an overall picture and suggest solutions and remedies for faulty systems. They cost too much and there are too few of them!

      If I try to contact my Dr. about anything, I have a two month minimum wait and then he expects me to want a prescription or an examination. He just isn't interested in listening to and noting comments about side effects or problems with his prescribed medication. I have more luck with a locum. I would change surgeries but hearsay puts most of the local practices as being similar. Too busy chasing targets to have much interest in the people who they are there to serve.

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      My Dexa machine is a mobile one so fairly sure it is the same one but you never know.

      My bones look okay on an X-ray which would have noted something like fragile. My GP was surprised at that. X-ray picked up two bulging discs and mild scoliosis and the latter is fairly common in older people.

      The Bowen treatments helped my sacroiliac because I am not so susceptible to reacting to chairs but it was not cured.

      I can feel problems in my back but most likely coming from the discs.

      I am lucky to have such a good GP.

      Just back from three and half weeks with the grandkids and I am missing them terribly, almost grieving. They live 800 kms away.

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      Hi Kathleen,

      ​How interesting that you hesitated with AA like me; I have a hodge podge of other medical complaints and quite happily take what I need for them without question ie asthma, painkillers for the osteo arthritis/M.E./Fibromyalgia, but something made me check out the AA and now I am trying to follow a healthier diet, exercise more as best I can, am on HRT which in theory I am told will help, and am waiting to see a Rheumatologist. 

      ​Interesting what you say about not everyone with OP breaking bones too which is something I kind of assumed.    You are lucky to have a lovely GP and I agree the Doctors do seem to give you the AA too readily.

      ​Take care, kind regards Carrie

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      Colin, you are so right in what you say.  Terrible you have such a long wait to see your GP; though I have a 2 week wait at the moment.  If I want to see 'any other Dr' that is fine, but trying to see someone in particular seems almost impossible to do.

      ​kindest regards Carrie

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      What I'm reading now is by a woman who's become an expert in densitometry.  She describes the problems with DXA machines, some of which can be traced to a lack of training for the clinicians (this is a US context so may be different in both UK and Canada).  She also shows how useful DXA is when used properly.  Her name is lani simpson.
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      Re the drugs - it's even worse now that so many doctors prescribe the medication when the patient has "osteopenia" which isn't even a real disease and does not inevitably lead to osteoporosis as censored would like us to believe.
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      Sounds interesting.  I'm still working my way thru the other book at the moment.  Interestingly, and I can't remember which one of us said this, but the jumping exercises listed seem to aggravate my ankles and legs; I'm not sure if that is my M.E./Fibro or whether it is the OP, either way, think I may have to bypass that particular exercise for now.  Walking is ok and I am working up a slightly better speed at times smile  I think that probably as with all things, it is a question of building up gradually and seeing what works and what doesn't smile

      ​xx

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      It is also worth noting a comment I saw when researching this that jumping can lead to prolapsed uterus.  I think we elderly females are better off with the impact of going up and (especially) downstairs, walking on hard surfaces, etc.  If the old feet can handle it!wink
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      OMG! Thanks....don't need anything else on top of that! lol  I'm 53 but sometimes feel 83! lol  I think with the OA too sounds like I better give jumping a miss! lol wink xx
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      Hi Carrie, Eileen, Jean, Jill & Kathleen

      Good wishes for your healthy bones to all of you.

      Most of you are aware of my determination to heal myself without AA or any other engine cleaning agents.

      For me, this involves getting the supplements right, getting the diet right, getting the alkaline / acid balance correct and maintained, and exercising every day.

      I am luckier than most who are trying this in that my OP was discovered at a fairly early stage and I only have minor OA which doesn't affect my ankles and only my right knee a little. So I am able to pursue the stepping / jumping exercise regime (with care).

      I had absolutely no problems with the stepping on and stepping off a 7.5cm (3 inches) step and usually do 50 step on and 50 step off in sequence.

      The jumping was different in that I hadn't attempted any form of jumping for many years and I had to work up to this gradually by just jumping on the spot. Once I found that I could do 10 of those without any problems, I began jumping onto and off the step, both feet together and landing rather flat footed but not enough to jar my spine. The all took place a couple of weeks ago and I now find that I can manage 50 on / off jumps in one session without too much trouble. At home, I have made a similar step to the one at the gym so that I can exercise every day and hopefully not seize up too quickly. The book and a trainer at the gym both suggest that a skipping rope could afford extra benefit so I need to visit the local sports shop and see if they have something suitable.

      The supplements are slowly coming under control and I have the list of 18 as suggested by the book. Because some of these seem to work against each other, sorting out the daily order is another minor task to take care of. I found an all-in-one pill on an American site which would have been eminently suitable but they have been discouraged from mailing to the UK. So it's back to do-it-yourself. The alkaline / acid thing may take some sorting out but it's only a matter of time. Have to obtain some dip-sticks (graduated), first. The food is also going to be awkward since I have to consider my wife and particularly my daughter as well. My daughter has many more food intolerances than I, and some are quite serious.

      I'm more than three-quarters of the way through the book and have learnt much although how much will stick is yet to be tested. I also have the book from the other bones site and have yet to begin that (only so many hours in a day).

      When I find significant items, I do try to post the information so that all may appraise it and make their own decisions. I will make my own decisions but am happy to change my mind if someone or some book comes up with a better answer.

      One of the best decisions I made was to give up AA. Haven't looked back since. The next best decision was to eat a kiwi-fruit a day (small bag of six is 59p) for six days and not on the seventh day. Many vitamins in kiwifruit and a bit wary of overdosing. Obviously I take calcium, vitamins D3, K2, B complex, zinc, copper, magnesium and folic acid at the moment. I'm not certain that I need the others just now.

      That may change. Also eat apples, bananas, plums, dried sticky prunes (6 per day) and pineapple chunks. I also only have one caffeinated drink a day and will have my last mini white wine this evening. I practise the keeping calm thing so that I keep my acid levels lowish.

      So I'm getting there slowly and I am willing to use any information that anyone else has the pertains to the better bones project that I am putting together for myself with a little help from my friends.

      Sorry that this is all about me but I needed to clarify for myself (me again) where I was coming from and where I am going.

      Kindest regards to all

      May your bones strengthen and become more dense.

      Aristotle

      aka Colin.

       

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      Hi Colin, Eileen, Jean, Jill and Kathleen,

      ​Congratulations Colin on all you have done smile  I am still working my way thru the book so am a bit behind - other stuff has got in the way at the moment unfortunately and time seems to race thru each day at an alarming speed sad - I am now taking a one vitamin multivitality gold as well which includes a lot of the B vitamins and the copper, this is as well as my icalD, magnesium, vit c, K2, Zinc ....and I am still taking the natural gelatin in the hope that is 'oiling the joints' so to speak!  I stopped the turmeric as my skin was playing up, but am beginning to wonder if it was indeed helping the pain levels as my wrists are far more painful at the moment sad  I am thinking of also getting a cod liver oil supplement as I am not keen on oily fish!  I am trying to walk daily, and to do a little more exercise if I am able....I'm also still doing my hand exercises as the soft tissue in my wrists after break last year especially where I had to have pins to support the bones, are being rather stubborn in doing what I and the physio wish!! sad

      ​Please do not apologise for clarifying things Colin, I am eager to learn all I can and feel all information is good and something I can try or look into smile  I think supporting each other as best we can is a big step smile

      ​I do hope Pauline not suffering too much and you had a good weekend.  Fairly busy one here so I must admit to feeling rather tired this evening so apologies if I do not reply again this evening. 

      ​Hear hear on your 'may your bones strengthen and become more dense'! :D 

      ​Will try and talk more another occasion but as I said ...tired tonight! 

      Please take care all and may all our pain lessen smile

      ​kindest regards Carrie

       

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      Hi Carrie,

      I'm having a hard time figuring out how to private message you.  So could you private message me to tell me the name of the book? 

      Thank you!  

      Jill

       

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      Jill

      Find one of Carrie's posts and click on the envelope under her * number and the screen will come up for messaging.

      Colin

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      Loved this post Colin, and clarity is great for all of us🤗 ! I'm really interested in the acid/ alkaline thing if you have any more info. It's a bit confusing when oranges that you would think are acid have an alkaline effect on the body😳

      Kindest regards

      Patty

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      Hi Jill,

      ​Have messaged you now with it smile

      ​kind regards Carrie

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      Oranges it is! Thanks for the info I'm off to digest it now 🤓 Enjoy your jumping class 🚶🏃
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      hi Carrie, I stopped my 3month course of hrt when I started prednisolone for PMR perhaps I should have stayed on it? Do you have any info? 
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      Hi,

      ​All I know is that my Dr and the National Osteoporosis Society as well as other information I have read seem to point that if my oestrogen levels increase with my HRT then it will help protect my bones.  The book I am reading...can private message you if interested...Colin passed the details on to me....seems to show varying data as obviously HRT has varying effects on our body.  HRT does not seem to be the preferred use for OP; just one angle/aspect.  It seems to have to be weighed up with other medical issues each person is going through/suffering with.  EG if breast cancer runs in ones family as it does with a friend, then the GP will stop HRT fast!  It seems a very moot issue.  sad  If I were you I would discuss it with your GP and see what they say.  Good luck.  kind regards Carrie

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      Hi Colin and Patty

      ​Interesting....I had forgotten about the acid/alkaline balance....oranges tend to upset my asthma else I would eat more of them sad  I know antibiotics affect things which is why I take or try and remember to take (!) an acidophillus supplement to balance the good and bad bacteria out in the gut smile  Eating yoghurt would have the same effect apparently but would have to be taken daily.....there is something else, the name of which escapes me at mo. 

      ​kind regards Carrie

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      Jill has it come through yet?  Apologies for not getting back to you sooner.  kind regards Carrie
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      Not that I'm recommending it, but apparently bio-identical HRT is available and it doesn't have the same problems as the original HRT which is manufactured from mares' urine.
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      Handbrake, bio-identical HRT is apparently much safer than the standard, which is manufactured from pregnant mares' urine.  You'd really need to talk to your doctor about restarting the HRT, preferably with the bio-identical.  Were you told to stop taking it?  Which kind were you on?  Pred actively interferes with bone formation and calcium absorption so it doesn't have, for bones anyway, the same effects as HRT.  You're relatively young, aren't you, so it makes sense for you to be on HRT for a while, barring any contraindications
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      Hi Jean

      ​Do you mean like natural oestrogen or progesterone?  As I tried that from a well known company firstly and it did nothing.  Was on the pill for years prior and it suited me; I appreciate it doesn't suit everyone though.  At the moment I feel it was the right decision for me smile  But thank you smile

      ​kind regards Carrie

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      I know no more than that.  I know that standard HRT comes with high risk of cancer.  Apparently bio-identical does not.  I've no interest in nor need for this therapy so have no more information than that.
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      Hi Jean,

      ​Interesting and thank you.  Like all things, I guess we have to weigh up the pros and cons and do what feels right for us smile

      ​kind regards Carrie

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      Anhaga and Carrie,

      Thank you for your comments, I stopped HRT ( trial) when my Dr confirmed polymyalgia and agreed to start prednisolone. An interesting thing happened though whilst taking it, pains in my hips subsided then subsequently returned once I reached prednisolone doses of 2mg or less. I didn't give it much thought at the time. I've also found out that soy isoflavine of 35 mg a day for 12 weeks can have a positive effect on bone density,plasma lipids and cognitive abilities post menapause but over 75 gm can cause lumber bone loss as do progesterone creams used with soy isoflavines.

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      Carrie,

      yes alkaline diet is an interesting one,interesting findings for me were finding that raisins were strongly alkaline yet fish was acidic! (Think I was surprised that a good source of calcium wasn't so good for alkaline diet requirements! ) this author claimed to have built up his bone density with magnesium supplements alone.

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      Yes Anhaga, still searching for something to target lower back density, seeing my Physio tomorrow she has already suggested Pilates to work on core strength and read today that vibration plates can improve bone density in hips 🤗
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      There are a couple of different kinds of vibration plates, apparently.  No nonsense bone health guide suggests the kind which is gentle, not the one that gives a bone-rattling shake.  I'd have thought weight bearing exercise generally would improve strength throughout the spine.  Will be interested to hear what you learn for the lower back.  
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      Yes, Handbrake, please report what you learn from physio. Very interested. 
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      Carrie,

      NO!! I haven't gotten it yet!!! I sent you a message... did you get that?  Thought maybe if you responded to that i would get it... 

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      Hi Jean and Handbrake,

      ​Interesting that the prednisalone seems to need a certain strength for the pain to ease off.  As Jean says  it is quite a balancing act and so not

      easy sad

      ​Soy Isaflavones I was on for a while too until the HRT and of course the Eastern side of the world eat far more soya products than us and when I was researching a way forward for me I tried eating more soya.  That has fallen by the wayside a little now unfortunately.  sad  I didn't know they could have a positive effect on our bones though at certain levels, so maybe I should be relooking at adding a bit more soya to my diet again.

      ​kind regards Carrie

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      Hi Jill

      ​Apologies, will check now for a message.

      ​kind regards Carrie

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      Hi Handbrake,

      Interesting.....it seems more and more that what suits one person isn't necessarily the right way for another and we just have to experiment and try until we hit the right way for us.

      ​kind regards Carrie

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      Hi Jill

      I have just private messaged you smile

      ​kind regards Carrie

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      I wouldn't fall off or pile onto the soy bandwagon without looking up the latest research.  The book you and Aristotle are reading is several years old and there's been a lot of research, and changing opinions.  At the library where I worked there were very strict rules about how long a medical book could be kept, and this particular book is way beyond the accepted shelf life.  That doesn't mean that the basic ideas aren't still as sound as ever, but the details, particularly those dealing with nutrition, could well do with a bit of updating.  I love her website, btw, and read the emails and her blog.

      As an example, a large study was done in 2009 about the acid/alkaline issue.  The book was published years earlier.

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      Hi Jean,

      Interesting....thank you smile 

      ​I will still plough thru the book but take on board what you say; I haven't done anything about soy yet ....I think my body is probably dealing with enough at present so baby steps with it all. smile

      ​kind regards Carrie

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      Hi Kathleen,

      A few minutes ago, I received the following post from Eileen:

      Hi, Whowever gets this message first please pass it on. I'm having promblems with the site so I'm coming off altogether. Also its chaotic here I did post a message but it wouldnt go through

      Love

      Eileen

      The is Colin now:

      I have sent a reply and a PM with an email address in case she wants to chat sometime. I shall miss her.

      Kindest regards

      Colin

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