Symptoms of Cauda Equina Syndrome but no firm diagnosis?

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Hi everyone

I am currently in a frustrating, not to mention worrying situation with regard to my condition at present. This seems like a really helpful community so I'm glad that I have stumbled across it. To get the full story across, this post will no doubt be a tad lengthy, but I will try and keep it as brief as possible! If you don’t have time to read the whole thing just skip to the last few paragraphs which explain my current situation.

To give some background, I have suffered with lower back pain and sciatica on an intermittent basis since the age of about 16 (I am now 32). These episodes would eventually subside with a combination of remaining active and taking OTC painkillers. 

Towards the end of 2013 I had a particularly stubborn bout of sciatica, though I did not bother consulting my GP until mid-January 2014 when I got up out of bed in the morning and experienced the horrendous pain associated with a herniated disc. I was prescribed Tramadol, Naproxen and a short course of Diazepam. A few days later I had some trouble emptying my bladder fully and experienced some straining and hesitancy. I called my GP who arranged for me to be assessed for CES straight away by a colleague of hers. Other than the pain and urinary problems, I did not have any other symptoms such as numbness. It was deemed that the Tramadol was responsible for the bladder dysfunction, and that was that. 

After a few months of physio my symptoms did not improve, therefore I had an MRI scan in April 2014 which revealed a disc herniation and nerve compression at the L4 / L5 level. I received decompression surgery at the beginning of May with a private neurosurgeon. This operation initially brought significant relief, however after a few weeks I began to experience some twinges and, at that time, mild pain radiating down my left leg (prior to the surgery my right leg was predominantly affected). This pain gradually worsened over the course of a year, and after several unfruitful GP appointments, I finally managed to get an MRI scan which revealed a further herniation at the same level plus some stenosis. I eventually received a laminectomy at the beginning of 2016, though the disc was not operated upon at that time. Prior to this particular surgery, I developed mild urinary incontinence in the form of dribbling after urinating. I visited A&E however I did not have an MRI scan, and the Amitriptyline I was taking at the time was deemed the culprit. I discontinued the Amitriptyline there and then, but the urinary symptoms remained. They were completely resolved following the laminectomy however.  

During the months following this surgery I suffered with repeated lower UTI’s, one of which developed into a nasty kidney infection. In October 2016 while I was about a mile into a dog walk, I suddenly – I mean literally out of no-where – became incontinent. It wasn’t a huge amount, but enough to notice. I made an appointment with a GP who referred me to a urologist.

About 10 days after the onset of the symptoms with my bladder, I experienced some pain in my lower back which was reminiscent of a disc herniation. I was referred back to my neurosurgeon, who suggested getting an MRI scan. The scan was performed in December, and the results were fast tracked to my GP surgery within 24 hours. The hospital radiologist noted that there were symptoms of CES in the form of urinary incontinence, and also remarked that the cauda equina appeared “compromised” and that there was no spinal fluid present within the spinal canal at this level. Despite this, my neurosurgeon adamantly remarked that they could not identify any compression of the cauda equina in any of my scans. They did confirm however that I had re-herniated at the same level on the right hand side, and that a spinal fusion would be the next step surgically should I wish to pursue that route.

I guess to an extent I should be relieved that the cauda equina is apparently not being compressed by the herniation. But the problem is, I am not entirely convinced that this is the case. I have seen two urologists regarding my symptoms, and am due to undergo urodynamic studies shortly. I have already had a physical examination, a cystoscopy and an ultrasound scan of my urinary tract – all of which revealed no abnormalities. I recently had a comprehensive consultation with my current urologist and he is not sure what the problem could be. It is almost definitely not stress or urge type incontinence, and he is leaning towards it being of neurological origin, however my current neurosurgeon’s diagnosis conflicts this.

In terms of my symptoms; It feels as though my bladder does not empty fully, and I always have to strain to get the last dregs of urine out. It seems to be an overflow type incontinence where small amounts trickle out on a regular basis, but I cannot feel this when it happens. When I do go to the loo, I know that I am passing urine, but I do not have any urethral sensation. I also discovered this morning, with a very full bladder after a night’s sleep, that I cannot hold it in – I didn’t wet myself and I made it to the loo with no problems, but then when I sat down I actively tried to see if I could hold it in, but some urine trickled out regardless. It was really strange as all of the muscles and structures involved were all contracting fully, but the urine still dribbled out. This only seems to happen when my bladder is very full mind you.

I am also really frustrated as any bladder dysfunction is an apparent red flag symptom wise, however pretty much everyone I have seen to date seem to disregard this, and just keep on advising me that I don’t have CES as there is not any numbness in the saddle area, and I don’t have any reduced tone in that region. I appreciate that other conditions such as diabetes can cause incontinence, however I have not been assessed for any such conditions. In addition to the incontinence and pain, my plantar/ankle reflexes are absent on both sides, and I have bilateral sciatica.

I have requested a second opinion and am due to see the neurosurgeon of my choice at the Walton Centre in just over a weeks’ time. This particular surgeon specialises in complex spinal conditions and CES is a one of his research interests. I am very keen to obtain his opinion on the matter, and hopefully will feel more relieved once I have received this – whatever the outcome may be.

I’m sorry that this is such a long post, and am super grateful to any of you who have stuck with it! I am quite a resilient person, however all of this is beginning to get me down a bit by now, especially as I don’t have a definitive diagnosis, am not receiving treatment or any kind of support. It is also psychologically difficult to deal with being incontinent at the age of 32 and having to use products akin to what you would find in a nursing home! I haven’t told anyone about my problems, and just really need to talk to someone who understands, and also who might be able to share their own experiences and opinions with me. I hope that I will in turn be able to offer the same to other members of the community.

Thank you so much for reading, I would really appreciate any kind of input.

 

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    Hello there,

    How are things going?

    I hope your recovery is progressing, especially with returning bladder function. I hope you are feeling okay today and staying strong emotionally too which is such a challange for us faced with the joys of CES and wrangling the medical systems.

    I was just reading around the other day and came across a post in a forum where a lady had somehow had her absent bladder functions restored with a 'sacral ' stimulator. It made me think of your story you have shared. I know this has been a problem for you and you are still trying to get to bottom of this, or getting blank faces from urologist.

    When I have read your first post again today I still feel upset to hear that your docs were not accepting the direct and obvious impact that CES has had on bladder back then.

     I truly hope this function is returning for you now but just wanted to share what I had come across. I forgot to mark the page or I would message it to you privately. It was a forum post by a woman that had had an implant. That would be a whole other journey mind you. Wishing you lots of nerve healing. Take care M

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      Hi Maryanne

      Thanks so much for getting in touch - funnily enough, I was only just reading up on sacral nerve stimulation the other day, too!

      My urologist is unable to figure out the cause of my bladder dysfunction (and in actual fact cannot find any abnormalities from a urological perspective) so has referred me to a neuro-urologist to further investigate things. To be honest, I am not going to allow myself to feel tremendously optimistic about this referral as I have experienced too much disappointment to date on the bladder front. I am thankful to my urologist for tying so hard to figure out what the problem is though, and am doubly thankful that he has offered to refer me to tertiary care as opposed to just discharging me as my initial urologist did following a singular cystoscopy that revealed no abnormalities.

      The neuro-urologist I have been referred to specilaises in bladder dysfunction in patients with MS, Parkinsosn's and CES, so there is some hope that they will be able to shed some light on the matter, and hopefully offer some kind of treatment. It was researching this particular doctor that lead me to look up sacral nerve stimulation, as it is a treatment they offer. It seems like a very complicated process, especially for the trial period and what have you, but if it transpires that I could be a suitable candidate I would consider it. The neuro I will be seeing also offeres botox injections which I would be keen to try should this be an option. To be honest, I would probably drink a gallon of diesel by this point in time if somebody told me it would help! I am just hoping that I don't have to undergo many more investigative procedures as they are quite invasive by nature and I am getting fed up now.

      My bladder issues have worsened somewhat again, I think, and most certainly have not improved in the slightest. I am having to deal with this on a daily basis and continue to live my life, which is becoming difficult from both an emotional and physical perspective, especially as I do not have the support of a specialist nurse or similar.

      I am now back with my regular GP at the surgery who is taking good care of my emotional wellbeing, and frankly, I can't trust the other GP's there at present after what has happened. I regret to this day that I did not ask to see my regular GP when my symptoms developed (this particular GP is very popular so it's difficult to get an appoinment) as I suspect they would have dealt with my symptoms very differently from experience. I just wanted to be seen asap so I asked for the first available appointment with any GP. I am struggling to figure out why my symptoms were not taken more seriously. I had 'red flags' for crying out loud in addition to a history of serious spinal issues. I am just glad that I doubted everyone's opinion throughout and kept on requesting second opinions. At least now any further damage has been halted after my fusion. I am about to initiate proceedings with regard to my care so will hopefully get some answers at some point.

      Thanks again for sharing about the post you discovered - 

       

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      Sorry - posted that before I had quite finished! I was about to say that I will try and dig out the post as it sounds as though it could be useful to me. 

      I hope you are keeping well youself, and thank you for thinking about me , it means a lot while it is difficult to find an understanding ear in 'real' life smile

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    Thanks reply. Sorry to hear bladder has not improved. 

    Thats a co-incidence the nueoro offers sacral stimulator. Unfortunately I don't know where I read the forum post about lady with sacral stimulator bringing back her bladder function. I will see if I come across it again. It wasn't on this site, but the idea of it was inspiring. I was looking at these for joys of pain to get relief chronic CES symptoms. It would be a big decision to try something like that.

    Yes good to hear from you too. It is hard to explain what this does to your body. I get emotional support from people I am close with in life in other ways but I don't always want to think about it or talk about those CES things unless to doctors. Some things are just too hard to explain. Yes it sounds like you should grab those appointments with your good GP after the things you have been through  with well what sounds like either ignorance or ? neglect of care. Good GPs, they are worth the weight in gold. Well It is good to hear it is not progressing now so you can hopefully get some more healing as the weeks, months go by. Take care

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      Just thought I would provide an update after my recent appointment with a Neuro-urologist.

      Much to my delight (not), I need further urodynamics to ascertain whether the previous tests have missed anything. He thought that perhaps there was a degree of over-activity in the bladder which was not picked up on, and also noted that during my previous urodynamic tests, my bladder filled to a larger capacity than what is considered 'normal', which has lead him to consider that maybe I cannot feel how full my bladder is causing it to overfill and leak. 

      This is thought to be either as I am on opiates which reduce the sensation in the bladder, or as a result of nerve damage from my lumbar spine or my neck. As I have been experiencing undiagnosed neck pain with radiculopathy for about three years by now, I will be having a cervical spine MRI soon to rule out any nerve compression, and all of my lumbar MRI scans to date will be reviewed to determine whether the problem is arising from any compression in that area. I also need to find out from my Neurosurgeon whether or not I have been diagnosed with any type of CES - his team is not particularly forthcoming with information and it is very frustrating (not to mention unfair?) to not know either way by this point. 

      The Dr I saw seemed somewhat perplexed that I had not been offered any treatment at all to date, and did briefly discuss some options with me pending the results of my upcoming scan and further urodynamics. He was very thorough, and though I am not going to allow myself to feel too optimistic (had far too many disappointments by now), it does seem as though I may be getting closer to at least gaining some answers.

      So, aside form having to undergo further urodynamics, I am quite pleased with the result of this consultation, and am relieved to be getting an MRI done on my neck as this is becoming quite bothersome by now and I have really struggled to get anyone to investigate it for me. Hopefully it wont take too much longer to get these tests done and maybe even gain relief of my symptoms to a degree. 

      Anyway! I hope that you are keeping well 

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