tappering using valium

We cant say we don't have,alcohol as its in with the morphine.

Hate it but it kills the pain

Big hugs and lots of love

Linda xx

Thats  a good idea probably would have pervented this problem

Thanks

Ray

Hope today has been better for you,  comfortable and ready to continue on the  journey.

If we all knew what we were doing and got it right straight off,  we would never have problems in our lives - how  dull our days would be,   how limited our contact wiith others   and we would never get to experience the joy of a trouble shared -   life and all it's problems are oft what brings people together,   and when a solution is found a smile is shared,  the problem then has a whole new perspective to it.

I do ramble on,   sorry about that,    you take care  and  keep in touch.

Warmest regards   and a hug

Jessie x

Would prefer my alcohol as a Babycham with a cherry in it  

Stay warm,  hugs

Jessie xx

I'm confused, yesterday I found out that I was suppose to be taking 100mg of atenolol a day not the 50mg I was taking,but this morning I took the 100mg of atenolol with my valium now at 3.5 no problems (due to cut tommorrow morning to 2.5mg in the morning as well as 2.5mg at noon and 1mg cut at bed time which would bring me down to 14mg at bedtime) but today I was tired again when it was time to take the noon time dose, BUT NO PALAPATATIONS!!!  I did some research and found that atenolol can make you tired ...it was suggested to take it at night, I can understand that ,but I'm getting tired at the time of my noon time dose ...so I cured the palapatation problem ,but have I made the tiredness problem worse....should I continue because I know the changes will take a couple of days, or should I just take the atenolol at night??? Why do I have a problem with the noon dose of valium but not the morning and bedtime dose??   So confused !!!

Scratched marks on my bag or should I say

ten claw marks from my dog.

Its painful.

He is so frightened he is wrecking the place.

He has already made his paw bleed. too.

Fireworks!!!!😭

Its,so sad to see him.

The meds he used go have - no longer available. He had 20mgs of

Diazepam.

What a night x

Sorry for delay,  signal problems.

I was curious about why the noon does was causing problems also,   are you more active in the morning to make you stressed?     I don't see how the Atenolol will affect the Diaz.      I googled it and side effects show both insommnia and tiredness,    covering all aspects as per.   it must be something that is down to you personally,  how were you before you started the change over from Loraz to Diaz  in respect of the dosage and when you took the different meds?      What else has changed in your life?      

Is good that the palpatations have stopped,   that could be either the atenolol working or some other change in your daily activities or stress levels.    

The noon time problem -  has it just started?      What other than your change in meds has changed in your life?      These things should also be concidered,  and not just the meds.

I hope you have had a better day,  noon came and went without issue, and the cut down in your Diaz goes well - as planned.

Warmest regards

Jessie xx

just had a look through the Atenolol forum on here and several people mention tiredness whilst taking it.     Have you been on it for long,  since before you started the adjustment from Loraz to Diaz -   how were you before you started the change over?      

There are so many things to take into consideration,  even it now being November,     worst month there is for people being low and feeling depressed.  It really is a miserable month,    change in the clocks,  has that altered your sleep pattern in any way to make you more tired?     

I can't see the reduction in the Diaz.  making you tired in any way,   you should be feeling more alert with each drop in dose.

Warm regards,  hugs

Jessie xx

nice to hear from you again ,like I say you are my gaurdian angel...I think the time has come for me to let you into more of my life with depression and anxiety....around the year 2000 my best friend died from brain tumors, we were like brothers it was a big loss for me. At the time I owned a bar in Beverly,Massachusetts,USA I handled things fairly well in the beggining after all I was a bar owner and well respected in the community I had to keep up my image ,not letting anything bother me,I couldn't show weakness...well I tried for a while but started feeling down and unhappy I had people around me even a girl friend who was a good person and probably the answer ...not drugs ....I was an athelete all my life never indulging in drugs even when I saw my friends doing them . I wanted nothing to do with drugs oh I drank my share of beer but no hard stuff just beer...well I decided to seek professional help this I now know I should not have done....they started me on effexor then my insurance wouldn't cover me so I went to the VA (veterans assocation) I am a Vietnam Vet although i was there i was not in combat,,,,but the VA automatically said ok Vietnam Vet he has mental  problems continued me on effexor ending up at 300mg a day I kept saying theses are not helping, little did I know it was because there really wasn;t a problem but they kept making me think that there was and then started me on lorazapam and kept increasing the dosage until I got to 6mg a day 2mg am 2mg noon and 2mg bedtime so now I'm taking 300mg of effexor and 6mg of loazapam I complain about not being able to sleep so they give me ambien....they now have me thinking that I'm crazy I start feeling really down the winter months were the worst the greyness etc. So I think I should get away for a while...another friend offfers to run the bar while I go find myself,I end up in the Dominican Republic 360 days of sun per year I start feeling better but I'm on all these meds after a while I figured it out ...I just needed a break away from the life I was living and the loss of my best friend....so I decided it's time to get back to normal I went back to the bar but couldn't handle it so back to the DR this went on back and forth for a couple of years...my friend says hey I'm getting married and moving away so I can't run the bar but I got some one who wants the job I said ok because i knew the new guy and my friend said he would train him ,,,great I thought....well he didn't do the job right and didn't pay the taxes correctly and I lost the bar. I'm now vstuck here vin the Dominican Republic living on retirement social security and a part time airport service....my world is crashing all around me but I'm not giving up I decide first to get my mind back so I decide to get off the effexor (I now know I should have gotten off the benzos first) but I didn't do enough research and don't trust the doctors here when it comes to mind problems,,,well a year later I finished tappering off of effexor....now its time to get off the benzos I waited a few months just to feel the relief of no effexor....ok now it's time to get off the loraxapam ,,,,without help I decided to tapper off the lorazapam similarto how I got off the effexor well I got off of .5mg of each dose am noon and pm and then I started getting all kinds of withdrawal problems so I start doig some research on the internet and keep hearing about the Ashton manuel ,so      i look up the tappering guide and decide this is the way to go this was July 2014I start by changing over to valium a diffacult process but managed to get through it Professor Ashton suggest that some adjustments are needed because not everyone tappers the same some fast some slow and some at a even course I select the even course with some of my own adjustments along the way ,,,,my only problem has been fatigue and once in a while palapatations  ,,,fatigue big time ....after I take my am dose (which I just reduced today to 2.5mg from 3.5mg) I take a 30 minute walk around 6am I return and make coffee and sit out in the yard searching the web (2 cups of coffee each morning) I am on the web from about 7am till noon,,,but the fatigue starts around 10:45 am or so and I take my noon dose and its off to bed ,,,,sooo tired I try to watch some tv but usually fall asleep for 2 - 3 hours it's now 3 or 4 o'clock and I have some dinner watch some more tv and get sleepy around 8pm at which time i take my pm dose (which changes today from 15mg to 13mg) I fall asleep rather quickly but wake up around 2:30am or 3am roll around and usually picfk up another hour of sleep and I'm up at 5am watching the news.....Thanks for listening you are the only person who I have told this whole story to ,,,,it feels good just to say it,,,by the way do you have any ideas about the fatigue problem ???it's not the atenolol because i took the 100mg instead of the 50mg and my pressure went down to 90 over 55 not good so there not related.....I think I'll just have to put up with the fatigue until the end which should be around NEW YEARS!!!

Thanks Again

Ray

Well first off I am so sorry you lost your best mate,  that was a big blow to deal with,  you being so close.   

It is all to easy to trust Drs,  and they take the quick easy option,  pop a pil - next patient please.      You have done great though so far getting off the various meds you were on,   a Dr.  even if you had gone to one for help would have done nothing for you.      Well done so far Ray x

I am guessing you want off of these drugs pretty darn quick -  forget it,  and the dose you are on now is gonna take a few months to come down to zero..... so please,  I mean it,  please go slowly or you will be wasting your time,  worse you will set your self way back.

I took Diaz for over 30 years,  for muscle spasm.   they were good too.  Now I am at 10 months with NO Diaz at all.    Went through various withdrawal symptoms,  sick,  runs,  no appatite,  lost a lot of weight   bad sweats lol,   worst were the cramps,  body arms legs,   and with the spasms thrown in now and then it has been real bad.       

10 months on,      still having cramps and spasms,  and muscle pain,  last three or four weeks,  heart is behaving strangely,  pain, tho not real bad,  and  irregular beats.      The tiredness I have a lot of anyway,  but tis worse with the withdrawal,  offset by the morphine which causes insommnia - but desperate for sleep.     

Your anxiety,  did that include a panicy heart,  racing with your thoughts?     Could be that is surfacing again,  made worse as a withdrawal symptom and your want / need to get your life back plus some.    Fatigue/ tiredness,  that will be the withdrawal to a great degree,  also you are living a slow life style,   age being a lot to do with it,  warm sun another,  lovely as it is,    it does go hand in hand with taking things more slowly.   Your body is fighting to manage with a smaller dose of meds than it is used to,  you will be sweating a lot,  and I hope drinking a lot to make up for this,   you will be losing a great deal of your body fat,  maybe getting a sweet tooth as well as your body tries to replace it's energy store - the Diaz is stored in the body fat,  plus other parts of the system,  muscles and even the bones.  Not wanting to upset you at all,  but it takes 7 years for a body to renew all its cells,   Diaz is stored in these cells, and the longer length of time you took it, the more cells are involved,  seems reasonable !!   See where I am going,  why you can't just get it out the system and be clear right off.    I be guessing you  have taken Benzo type drug for around 10 years,   you will get get clear of them just fine,  but take your time,  and listen to your body,  sleep is good for you just now,  so don't fight it,   my sleep pattern is just like yours,  apart from when I take the morphine,  and I have found it is easiest not to fight it,  don't think you will have started with cramps yet,  you maybe wont at all,  or could have in the tummy,  and visiting the loo more often,  just the clearing system.   This also drains your energy level,    how is your eating / appatite,  changed at all - if it has,  go with whatever,  just be sure to eat and drink a lot.  Apples and yogurt keep me going lol,  ohhh and ice cream.   

Have not mentioned the memory Ray.    The Diaz will have put a lot of things kinda at the back,   be prepared for some comeing back at you sheer out of the blue.   Nightmares,    not scary monsters,  just old memories  that were not the best kind to have,  they will come back,   It does not last long,  may not happen with you,   but be prepared and relax,   try to distract yourself what ever time of day or night it is,  heck I made curtains at 3am 4am    painted walls,  had to use two hands for the paint brush because of the pain and weakness and cramps,  but I did it,     think colour schemes,  that painting and home makeover got me through it.     

Just trying to tell you things that may happen,  what to prepare for  so you are not thinking you are going crazy - which I have done at times with the memories and the feelings  of   not being quite  in the right time / place.   Very  disconcerting  it was,   but did not go on for months as the cramps and weakness has done.      

Ray,   best advice I can give is allow the tiredness and just relax best you can,  go with whatever happens along,  if you can get plenty walks that would be good,  distraction,  gets you out and seeing different things places and people - I did kinda avoid the people,  to a degree,  heck I did not know /  understand what was going on with me,  could not get on comp because of pain,  so could not research this darn withdrawal.   I got  cabin fever lol,  my  relaxation has always been  walk and garden,  do as much of what you do for relaxation as possible - but get fresh air into you,  use your energy up to help with sleep but do it gently,  and drink.

Thankyou for sharing your life with me,  I listened and wish I could do more for you,  please give yourself months to get off,  even 1/2 mg a month if needs be towards the end,  right down to a 1/4  if you would feel better going that low to get off,  in the long run It is for the best,  also I would say for your heart,   take care with that Ray,   diaz also got stored in the cells of your heart - it is a muscle yes ....   so,   gentle exercise is needed for it.        

We are just starting winter here in the UK,   ohhh how I wish I was in warm sun to walk these old bones and there darn  cranky muscles !!

You look after yourself,   most of all relax and don't fight what ever your body needs,  you will get through all of this.   

I hope I have not alarmed you with the memories and the nightmares,  hope I have just prepared you --   you will be ok x

Warmest regards,   hugs x

Jessie xx

Yes tappering should be done slowly, feeling lethargic or tired whilst still tappering and on other meds is rather normal they are all  mostly Central Nervous System Depresants esp if you throw Morphine in the mix.

My advice, dont try to analyse everything it's your mind-brain, body and soul trying to re configure itself after years of taking all these things and wether you think it or not if your having withdrawals your addicted and I understand that the doc's want to give  pill for everything, it's up to us as individuals to research it and make a dicission.  I;ve been on every anit deppresant/Benzo plu anti phsycotic there is also due to a very bad injury with operations and bone grafts plus finally leaving my husband due to Alcoholic Domestic Violence they put me on Morphine turns out im allergic, covered in large welts and very itchy so they gave me methadone one of the highest pain killers there is but like any drug of dependance you build a tollerance and they never FIX the problem just push it aside until the day comes that you must face everything. 

So yes, go slow on reduction, try not to replace one drug with another,(not meaning going from loraz to diaz, that's the best way to tapper} short half life to long half life)  If your able, try lost of natural remedies and herbs grown naturally, lots and lots of water.  Here in Australia since the growth of benzo addicted patients has come to light they do not prescribe most anymore which is good for anyone new to the anxiety/panic/depression problems a anti depressant may be needed along with a Phycologist for a while.  I've been to hell and back and hell and back and hell as I'm sure you all understand with withdrawals esp Pharmacuticals which are the worst.  Like I said trying to find a reason for every symptom can become addictive in itself, try to let the subconsions do it's own thing like it does in dreams.  Try to stop those racing thougts, the worry etc.  I no it's hard, probably the hardest thing i have ever had to do and I wish you all the very best and hope your withdrawals or experiences are not as bad as mine have been..  We are all different.  If your doing the tapper on your own be strong.  'We have to here as Doc's in general just dont do it but there are some professionals out there that specialise in this field and they can help..  To all take care my thoughts are with you all.  Nicola