Tramadol is not evil.

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Tramadol does not have any malicious intent to get you 'hooked' or 'addicted'.

Tramadol provides a reliable source of relief to many pain sufferers and patients with other medical problems. The VARIABLE in all this ... is the individual patient, everyone's body makeup is different and so will react and produce different side effects with every drug they take. The only way to find out how your body will react is to give the prescribed drug a try, preferably for a couple weeks if this will be a long-term drug and if it doesn't suit you talk to your doctor. They most likely can find an alternative that will suit you. That's one of the reasons why there are so many drugs that do the same thing. wink

As for not knowing the possibilities of what might happen - there's only two people you can blame, one - your doctor for not giving you some important facts and two - yourself for not researching your prescription online.

Personally I think doctors even on the NHS should take more time to spell out the common effects and if it can be addictive but I do understand that they don't usually have the time. This isn't going to change anytime soon though, so...

There is a plethora of information online, on any prescription drug and it will tell you everything you need to know before you take it. Some websites, like drugs.com, even have an Interactions Checker which you can input all your medications into and check if they will react badly. It's very cool and I even was able to bring a bad mix up to my doctor who was able to clarify that the short amount of time I was taking the new drug would be ok with my regular prescription.

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Tramadol is a synthetic (man made) opiate. It does not mix well with natural opiates such as cocodamol as one person was complaining about in this forum. Always check with your doctor if you feel uncomfortable and always take prescriptions as advised. If you start mixing things up and not understanding the chemistry behind it then what do you expect?

COMMON SIDE EFFECTS: Constipation; diarrhea; dizziness; drowsiness; dry mouth; headache; increased sweating; indigestion; mild itching; nausea; trouble sleeping; vomiting; weakness. Constipation seems to be the most common and would advise a gentle laxative.

If you have any SERIOUS SIDE EFFECTS (see following) then go to A&E or see the doctor the next day depending on how bad it is, stop taking the Tramadol until you can get medical advice:Severe allergic reactions (rash; hives; itching; difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue; unusual hoarseness); burning, numbness, or tingling; chest pain; confusion; difficult or painful urination; disorientation; excessive sweating; fainting; fast or irregular heartbeat; fever; hallucinations; loss of coordination; mood or mental changes (eg, depression, agitation); red, blistered, swollen, or peeling skin; seizures; severe dizziness or light-headedness; severe nausea, vomiting, or diarrhea; severe or persistent headache; slow or shallow breathing; suicidal thoughts or behaviors; tremor; vision problems; wheezing.

I DON'T WANT TO BECOME ADDICTED: Well most people don't. If your condition will be temporary then consider asking for Codeine (a natural opiate) which doesn't work as well but will help relieve some of the pain. Always take paracetamol at the same time you take any opiate, my NHS doctors have always told me this, saying that they both work better together than just the opiate alone and in my experience this is true. Also when you feel the pain is minimal to moderate, try taking just paracetamol and skipping a dose of your opiate when possible. Once you do this more often than not you can either realize that you can live with minimal pain or only take the opiate sporadically as needed.

If you have a long term condition like me, then I'll tell you what my doctor in the US told me when I told her I didn't want to become addicted. First, she said, you're only an addict if you're taking the drug to get a high, otherwise you're just dependent. Then she told me I can either take the drug to alleviate the pain and get some normal things done on a daily basis or don't take it and live with a pain that will most likely prevent me from leaving my bed and become agitated and irritated with everything and everyone because of my relentless pain. She said there is no shame in become dependent and that when the time came to stop there would be a safe period of weaning the drug and a plan for the withdrawal. I added that most NHS doctors are ambivalent towards things like this and she said, then demand it. I did and I was helped, no NHS doctor ever judged me for being dependent and it does seem like they deal with this often. They are not as organised as in the U.S. where you can get a 'kick pack' which contains valium, supplements and many useful tips but my NHS doctor did prescribe me valium for 4 days which was enough to get over the 'hump' and I researched and procured the other supplements and tips I needed online.

WHY YOU BECOME DEPENDENT: In plain speak, Tramadol does the job of making your body feel good and does it so well that it relieves the overabundant amount of pain your going through because of your medical condition. Once your body realizes it doesn't have to do this job anymore, it will stop, that's when your body has become 'dependent'. When you stop taking the Tramadol and your body hasn't yet taken it's 'job' back, you feel withdrawal symptoms because there is nothing making you feel good. The withdrawal will end once your body takes back it's normal job of releasing the chemicals which make you feel good.

HOW TO OVERCOME THE WITHDRAWAL PERIOD: If you have become dependent Tramadol and you most likely have if you've been taking it for a long time, it's almost always best to consult with your doctor about a withdrawal plan. They can help give you a plan to wean the drug and also be there for when you need muscle relaxers if you need them once you stop the drug. If they are not helpful, see another doctor, rinse and repeat (especially if you're on NHS!).

Even better - What you can do is research all this on the internet but I will include this one link because I felt it was the one who helped me the most when I went through it. Not just the info but the people who commented and gave support. There are many forums that will do the same thing, find one which has active supportive members (and a plan you feel comfortable with) and I promise you will feel better about being able to get feedback from people who have felt what you are going through. Actually I'm going to link the process I used for withdrawal, it's from the same site and you can explore that further if you want or just Google 'opiate withdrawal forum' for support and plans.

http://www.vicodinwithdrawal.org/alternative-medicine/thomas-recipe-opiate-detox

Oh and I should also warn that you will come across a lot of people who don't know what they are talking about, but you should be able to spot them pretty quick,. Just ignore them, find good info and support, that's the best thing to do. smile

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I hope this is more helpful than not. I'm not sure why people come here to complain about a drug. The drug has been well tested and it's not dangerous. However being ill-informed about a drug, how you take it and the possibilities ...well that certainly can be.

Best of wishes to everyone struggling with their conditions, keep looking towards the future! Ronni <3>

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    I've just suffered a heavy duty attack of PHN and have been diagnosed with arthritis so I am now taking 10 mg amitriptyline,500 mg Naproxen twice a day, and 100mg Tramadol up to 4 times a day. Now everything I eat tastes sweet and sweet things are unbelievably sweet. Less than a year ago I had a series of blood tests done ranging from diabetes through calcium and magnesium levels to several types of cancer, and these were all OK. (I'm a healthy chap it seems apart from PHN and falling apart). Is this to be expected when the cocktail of drugs I use is considered or is there another cause that anybody knows about.

    I don't want to go to my G.P. just yet because it seems I'm always there.(I'll be getting my own seat soon)

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    I appreciate everyone's input on this matter because knowledge is power. I wish I'd read information prior to taking Tramadol but when your lower back is kicking like Jet Li, that's an afterthought. I don't think it's evil and I tend to agree with you all in some fashion. I had experienced withdrawals after not taking them for a day or so. Why did I stop when I did those times? Well, I didn't get the same "pain relief" as I did at the beginning (not to mention I paid out of pocket for meds) but, like previously mentioned it gave me "the stones" to execute my job better than any of my colleagues. So, today is COLD TURKEY day 8 and those aforementioned "stones" have been thoroughly reduced to sand. One more thing I want to add, I've found that the feelings of euphoria is more or less intense based on the brand name. But to sum it up, please do your due diligence; it'll be worth it. If there are any other members that have gone cold turkey please tell me how much more to expect; as I've mentioned this is now the end of day 8. I've seen countless dope sick people and I see few similarities. It's to me is a tremendously hard feeling to describe at times because my wife knows me very well and has threatened to take me to the ER a couple of times. She's asked "what are you feeling"? I can only describe it as a record playing backwards, then the needle is skipping in my mind and body. Scratch that, it's like someone kicked the turntable and the needle sratched, kicked it again to get it back on track
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    Let me preface this by saying I don't think Tramadol is evil, I think opioids generally do a lot more good than harm and that exaggerated publicity about addiction potential has limited patients accessing adequate pain relief. Everyone should have a right to be as pain free as possible.

    However, my personal experience with Tramadol was not good. I took it peri-operatively for a degenerated cervical disk and found it caused panic attack-like symptoms and a feeling of imminent death and despair. That's the only way I can describe the effect - it's not something I've experienced before or since.

    Unfortunately it took a few days for the hospital to identify which drug it was that was causing this, resulting in distress to family and friends who were witnessed me having these unpleasant episodes. If you are unlucky enough to also experience these strange symptoms after taking Tramadol I hope this will help you switch to an alternative more quickly. Fortunately I don't think my experience is by any means the norm.

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    well , i'll tell you what ---I was taking 800 mgs of this stuff per day-plus drinking 7-8 shots of whiskey per day--for about 6 years !-was sleeping very poorly for years -I think I just said to myself -enufs , enuff!----but, yea, getting off this dose of Tramadol has been rough--i'm down to 75-85 mgs per day now--and I think ; i'll just hold awhile here --and cut 20mgs in a few weeks --what's the rush, right?/ just takes time, I think the ease of buying the stuff ( off internet) made it so easy to fall into-- I think one just has to appreciate feeling good w/o any substances--I think I can drink a couple beers a day w/o lapsing --but I could be wrong
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    I have been on Tramadol for 11 weeks.

    300mg daily.

    It worked a complete dream.

    I had a day where I came off it for 24hrs to see the specialist for my shoulder so I can demonstrate the amount of pain I was still in. He told me blank that he wants me off the tramadol, and to start a weaning programme.. not to go cold turkey. I was sweating, anxious and had a severe headache.

    I went back to my GP, spoke to him. I don't tend to do very well on co-codamol. It makes me very sick, I cannot function and I'm asleep for the best part of the day.

    So, the plan was to put me on a SR tramadol. 200mg for a week, then 100mg for a week, and then nothing.

    The first weekend was horrific. I was crying, I hurt all over, I felt sick and the sweats and shivers. I felt very down within myself, and wondered why on earth I was doing this to myself. It got easier over the week, and then when I cut down to 100mg I had similair reactions, but not as severe.

    Last Friday was my last pill. Saturday I kept myself as busy as possible, surrounding myself with people I love and knew I was going through a hard time. It didn't work. By Sunday I was back on the pills I had left over.

    I can barely describe the feelings I had on them, because right now it feels like the most irrational and pathetic excuses... because i'm on the tramadol and feel happy and content.

    Everyone reacts differently, but I put too much trust in my doctor. I didn't research the medication. It's a mistake I won't make again.

    I have a colleague who is on them for back pain. She says she accidently skips doses and has no issues. I told her I had no issues on a skipped dose either, but if I left it 24hrs I had the side effects, and that she should, if she can, try and see if she can do it.

    It was a massive failing on the side of my medical centre. They put me on these without testing any range of movement, or asking how much pain I was in. I would go back every 10 days to get another dose and they would hand them to me, no questions asked.

    Off to see the doc today, and get some idea of how to get off them.

    Everyone reacts differently, and now I know that opiates (tramadol and codeine) effect me in such a negative way, I will discuss anything like this with the doctor before they put me on it.

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      My advice is to stay away from the sustained release Tramadol.  I am going off the pills and am having no problems (the regular 50 mg tabs) after 4 or 5 years on them (200 mg a day is the most I've taken) for chronic pain.  After one month of the SR it made me sicker than crap to go off them.  I have never been so sick, and that was only 1 100 mg capsule a day.  The doctor gave me the wrong script so I thought I would try it.  Tramadol has helped me so much, but I've seen others say the same thing about the SR caps.  
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    My advice, do a real gradual taper dont know what dose your on now , but you may have to have the doctor

    prescribe a 50mg pill or capsule and come down by 25 mg at a time, maybe each week or 2, the pills may have to be cut, or the capsules partially emptyd but the idea here is to come off them as slow and gradual as poss to avoid symptoms I sas taking 800 mg prr day ( not for legitimate reasons)( 6 years) and it was tough but I got down to 100 mgs , now im at 75 mg per day should be able to quit altogether soon, I find staying as warm as possible, and I tried HTTP-5 , avail as a supplement OTC helped good luck, you can do it

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    I have just come back from the docs.

    I am currently on 4 tablets a day. 100 mg morning, 100mg lunch. I don't take them in the evening as it makes it harder to sleep.

    So now I take one 50mg tablet three times a day for a week, then two 50mg tablets a day for a week, then one 50mg tablet for a week. I have also been prescribed diazepam 5mg for anxiety and the restlessness/insomnia. Having had this before I know it wipes me clean out, and sleeping tablets are short acting. So when I feel like I'm going crazy and having a melt down, I take the diazepam along side it.

    He is also trying to find liquid tramadol so that when I finish the 50mg dose a day, I can do a lesser dose.

    I'm lucky enough I live at home or with my boyfriend. My father has said he will take the tablets and give me the dose I require as prescribed. I warned him I may turn in to a spitting snake when I cut down trying to get more as it is out of my control, but he is okay with that.

    We have glourious weather at the moment, so staying warm isn't a big issue. I was having serious problems with being very, very cold. Blue lipped cold.

    I will let you know how it all goes.

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    Good job ! dont ever take that stuff againI hope I can get off entirely too weathrrs gettin warmer shlnt be too hard , I hope take care
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    The arthritis I was diagnosed as having turned out to be Polymialgia so my drugs cocktail has changed quite dramatically. The long and short of it is I decided to reduce my Tramadol intake. I am down to one 50mg cap at night with 10mg Amiltriptyline. No sweat but I think the amiltriptyline probably takes care of the anxiety and restlessness of withdrawal, and I don't think 10mg is enough to cause any probs when I come to give it up.
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    Hi Still, just seeing your post today, Its been a year since youve been on so I hope you see this. I also get nerve pain, I was Dx with small Fiber Neuropathy (Idiopathic) ..I take 350mgs of lyrica and just recently started taking Tramadol for "break thru pain" . I only take 50mgs a day when I need it, It was prescribed to me as 1 50 twice a day, but I also worry about the "addicting" Affect.  50 mgs a day is not helping with this kind of nerve pain,  My question to you is, What kind of "nerve pain" do you get, and does the Tramadol help you? Are you taking anything else for your nerve pain? Thank you in advance for any advice or help you can give me. Hope your doing well!! 

    Marie in Ny,,,,

    Marei

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    I suffer from post herpetic neuralgia which is the after effects of shingles. The pain feels like either my flesh is tearing apart or as if somebody is gripping a nerve presure point as hard as possible. It hurts so much that I swear I can see the pain.

    I take 2 tramadol with 1 amitriptyline (10mg) just before bed and this gives me a fair nights rest. I used to take the tramadol 4 times a day but started suffering anxiety attacks so I now put up with the pain during the day time (unless it gets too bad) and try to find some sort of distracion, like work. Coming down to once a day was surprisingly easy and without too much in the way of withdrawal symptoms.

    I have been told that large doses of vitamin B12 helps strengthen nerve so I'm giving that a go as well. Can't realy say if it's any good but it certainly does no harm.

    I also suffer with polymialgia, the pain of which is off the scale at times and is muscular, tramadol and amitriptyline have no effect on this, it is controlled with steroids.

    The question you should ask is "is the risk of dependance on tramadol worse or better than unbearable pain"?, bearing in mind that you can be weaned off tramadol but you can't be weaned off pain.

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    Refering to Tramodol being synthetic, the same compond is found in the bark of the root of Nuclea latifolia (African pin cushion tree) and has been used in medicine long before the chemists claimed to have discovered it. See this article in chemistry world:

    http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/2013/09/african-plant-natural-source-tramadol.

    However, I believe it would be unwise to take it in its natural form as you would be unable to control the levels of active constituient which could be dangerous. Also, they do not have access to pharmaceuticals in many parts of Africa and this is there only option and so taking their supply away I believe would be unethical.

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    Tramadol has saved my life. I was so depressed because I was in so much pain due to some over active nerve issues (Chronic pain syndrome) along with Gabatenin it has given my life back.  However, sadly for me, they aren't working.  I had withdrawl symptoms after going off 100mg extended release shortly after trying it...I wouldn't recommend those but I started with 100 mg a day normal release and until a month ago was taking 200mg.  I've dropped down to 100 mg now  with no issues, just stepping down 50mg.

    3 years ago I went cold turkey off them (as I was going on a trip and wanted to be able to drink) and that did make me sick (depression, cold sweats, restless legs) for about 5 days.

    If you use them for the right thing--I was cutting them in peices to avoid it making me feel "stoned" until they no longer did anything except help the pain--then I think it's easier to not have a problem.  I have seen where some people abuse them. 

    I might just be lucky, that I'm not having withdrawl symmptoms, but my take is the non-extended release are safer and can work really well to alleviate pain.

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      Hi Lin

      You say that Tramadol and Gabapentin saved your life. Was your chronic pain syndrome, nerve issues, called Neuropathy? what kind of Neuropathhy do you have?  Then you say sadly they are not working. Do you mean the medications (Tramadol) stopped working, did your body get acclamated to the dosage you were taking? Is that they are not working for you anymore? I take 350 mgs Lyrica for small fiber neuropathy. A very painful disorder of the small nerve fibers. I was just recenntly given Tramadol. I'm starting at 50 mgs, not helping much, slowly try to take more. Im wondern if I shoulld even try to increase my dosage. If they dont work or help I dont want to have a bad withdrawal. What are you taking for your nerve pain now? thanks..Marie

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      Amitriptyline works well for nerve pain, well, at least it does for me.

      Together with Tramadol I live a fairly normal life, although I do tend to sleep rather more than I need to.

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      Hi Steve. Thanks for your response. I tried Amitriptyline, I couldnt get past 10 mgs. I gave me chest pains and I could feel skipped heart beats at night .so I had to stop it. I wish I could have contiued taking it. I hear it works well for Neuropathic pain. What kind of nerve pain do you have? How much Tramadol do you take, I take 75mgs together with 350 mgs Lyrica. Doesnt work too well for me. Still looking for a med-combo to help with this horrible pain.... 
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      I suffer with Post Herpetic Neuralgia (the after effects of shingles).

      The pain is not constant but when it comes it does so heavy duty, it feels like I'm being ripped apart at worst or like somebody is grabbing a nerve centre very hard at best. During the day time I find that unless the pain is intense I can get by without medication providing I find something to occupy my time, but, in the evenings (every evening)  when I'm trying to relax is when I find it. I sometimes put off pain killers until the last minute which is usualy a mistake, but if it looks like I,m in for a bad one (like now) I will take 50mg Tramadol early evening and then 100mg at about 10 o'clock together with 10mg Amitriptyline. That will bring pain levels down  to a bearable level and will make me sleep so unless the levels are exceptional I will at least have a reasonable night.

      However, my condition is complicated by Poly Mialgia Rhumatica, and this is treated with an entirely different regime of pills and potions that a lot of people tell me don't mix.. but, hey, I get by and I'm still hear to tell the tale. 

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      They are puzzled to the exact pain cause and was just referenced as "chronic pain sydrome".  It's nerve issues, definitely.  Lyrica didn't work for me, and I gained A LOT of weight (came right off though when I stopped taking it).  I had a few dark yrs with a lot of hydrocodone, I damaged my back by laying on a heating pad so much.  Savella worked better than anything but caused a really elevated heartbeat problem for me, so I had to stop taking it.  I am now on 1800 mg Neurontin/Gabapentin.

      I really think Tramadol is worth trying, but there is a lot of scary stuff out there about it.  I was taking 4 50 mg tablets.  I could probably in increase the dose, but the higher doses have a better chance of seizure.  My OD told me that 300  mg is the highest I should ever go, I had decided that I wouldn't go above 200. It does help some still, just not enough.  I plan on going off it to reduce my tolerance. 

      My advice for taking it, should you choose to do so, is that because it will make you feel stoned at the beginning just start with half a tab or one tab and after that cut it up into 4's.  I am not exagerating that after 4 hours simply taking a fourth of a pill made me feel less stoned and it worked really well.  I just upped it by 1/4 s needed.  There is some sort of a weird cumulative affect with Tramadol--it is not like taking a true narcotic. Now it doesn't make me feel stoned at all, was just like taking a Tylenol but instead it actually worked.  I just would never use the extended release tabs...those are evil IMO. It gaveme withdrawl symptoms by simply not taking it and I was only on those for a month.

      I think if you try just cutting them up and slowing adding to it to see if you get pain relief it may help.  It has made my life better. I think my condition has improved some.  It used to be I couldn't sleep more than 4 hours at a time or the pain was too much,, I can make it much longer even with decreasing my Tramadol intake.  I couldn't have done that 4 years ago. Good luck to you!

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      Hi lin

      Thanks for your response hope you are doing well. What dose were you up to with the Lyrica before you got off? Are you saying take one 50 mg Tramadoll and split it four ways. I get how to do that , I have a pill cutter. What I dont understand is why are you suggesting this method on such a low dose? Isnt 50 mgs considered low? It took me a wihile to get to 50 mgs but because of some chest pain and shortness of breath (Doc said it was "normal" with this med). I didnt get high (stoned) from 50 mgs of Tramadol. Actually Lyrica still makes me feel "high" even after 19 mos of taking it.. Did weaning off of Lyrica make you feel high or spacey?

      Today is day 7 of weaning off 25 mgs of Lyrica. So far I feel high. Don't know what its from. Its not the tramadol didnt take one today yet. I like your thoughts on there is some cumlative affect with taking Tramadol. Do you think if you keep taking it , it will start to work better? Im up to 50 mgs a day as needed, so I take it at diff times of the day. sometimes when the pain gets so bad , like now, I take one 50 mg Tramadol and then cut a 50 in half and take 75mgs. Do you have a better way of taking the Tramadol or any suggestios on any other med that might help with nerve pain?  

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      Hi Steve, sorry for all the nerve pain you go thru. This "neuropathy" thing really sucks! Seems like the Tramadol and Amitriptyline are helping you.

      The interesting thing is , I've read in diff places , not to take Tramadol with Amitriptyline. You are taking the two together too. Why does my PM Doc and Neurologist keep saying I shouldnt take Amitriptyline if I'm taking Tramadol? Do you have any comments?  Thanks for your time.. still looking for a med-combo. In pain and depressed in NY sad

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      Hi Marie, Sorry, I wasn't very clear.  I do not cut my Tramadol up anymore.  It used to make me feel stoned so I did that at firs not to get that feeling.  If it isn't doing that to you I wouldn't even worry about cutting them up.  Now it is like taking a Tylenol for me, no buzz but it was still working until recently.  I think it gaveme a buzz for about 6 months.  So, to decrease that buzz I would take one whole pill initially and 4 hours later take 1/4 to 1/2 of a pill when the pain started coming back and that would work well.  There is, for me, a cumulative effect with Tramadol that I don't get with other pain meds. 1 pill made me buzzed for quite awhile.

      I do not remember my Lyrica dosage.  They had me up it when it didn't initially work but it never did anything--and that didn't give me any sort of a buzz at all.  That is interesting it does that to you, I did hear them say some people abuse it but I couldn't figure out why.  That explains it.  I don't remember having any problems coming off it either.

      If you are interested Effexor apparently has some pain control in it, it's an anti-depressant.  I tried that.  That caused zapping feelings though in my legs--it was creepy and I had a hard time weening off it.  I was concerned because it isn't great to use with the Tramadol and the Tramadol helped more.  I may actually try it again.  I am a little scared with the Tramadol not working what I will do when it gets bad--winter is cold where I live and that seems to make it worse. 

      What I did do with the Tramadol during times where I was really flared up, is I would take 1 1/2 to 2 initially.  Becuase it has that cumulative affect you can take 1/2 at 4 hours later and probably keep the level of pain relief going.  At least that worked for me.  If I did a larger dose to start with I just continued with pills that were cut in half for the rest of the day.  Just stay ahead of it if you can, that seemed to be the key. 

      Have you considered Savella?  That is often discussed along with Lyrica. 

      My Tramadols are 50mg.  I have, on bad days, taken 2 of those at once--but that was once I had built some tolerance up.  I used to be on 2 a day (100mg) and in the end was on 4 (200 mg). 

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      confused I just wrote my reply, put yon smiley on and lost the lot.frown.

      Two years on the dreaded combination with absolutely no ill effects but quite a few benefits, like a relatively pain free life in sunny Poole, England.

      I was told not to take it by all the gloom merchants on the internet but my doctor, who I have complete faith in prescribed it, so, who am I to argue?eek.

      I also take Omeprazole and Prednisolone and the whole cocktail seems to work for me.

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