Upsetting toxic smell from me! Help!

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Hi. I am just joined this group in desperation to find some genuine answers to relieve the symptoms of Atrophic Vaginitus. Im 53 was diagosed with this a year ago, 2 years after my period stopped. The vagifem pessaries prescribed make me really sore so I have stopped using them. I am using nothing at the moment but very sore and very depressed. I seem to be producing an almost toxic smell from down there a bit like amonia, it can be smelt with my clothes on, I work in a busy office and I see peoples faces often grimace or start coughing when around me.  I go home and cry often, please can anyone else let me know if they suffer from this and what actually helps. Any suggestions would be really welcome. Thanks. 

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    Use pantie pads then you can change them 3/4 times day. That will help your confidence like changing your pants.

    have you been to your gp lately.

    I feel very depressed when sore and itchy so perhaps its part of the symptoms

    • Posted

      Hi Rosemary. Thank you for your reply. I have been changing my underwear many times each day as I am so self conscious about smelling unpleasant. Using pads is a more practical solution but they make me sore, I have however bought some natracare organic ones from Amazon this week, so hopefully they wont. 

      I do symphathise with you too, it is awful when you are in discomfort and depressed and because its such an embarrassing problem, can't tell people what is wrong. I am so glad a found this page a few days ago at least we can all encourage eachother. 

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      Hi Jay. Not yet but then it is early days. As you seem quite knowledgeable on the subject, do you know if going on Oral HRT helps with vaginitus and water infections as I have only suffered with both since reaching the menopause and was wondering it is might be worth taking it? Thanks for being so supportive by the way. confused 
    • Posted

      Hi nature 

      personally i wouldnt touch oral HRT ..

      goes via liver.. 

      and i would avoid personally , Premarin, Premique and Prempak C 

      its made from pregant mares urine ( equine) 

      patch is the best in my personal opinion if your considering HRT , transdermal not via liver ..

      i  use Ovestin Estriol as my Gyno suggested .. 

      uk give Gynest Estriol.

      its vaginal Estriol ( estrogen) for vaginal dryness, uti assistance etc 

      thats all i will use, i had natural 10 year peri no HRT ..

      jay xx

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      Estriol, the Safest Estrogen

      Estriol is a Safe and Effective Hormone for Menopausal Women with Hot Flashes and Vaginal Dryness

      Estriol is a type of estrogen made by the ovaries. It is one of the primary hormones of pregnancy and as a hormone replacement therapy it has been used in Europe for many decades. Until the advent of bioidentical hormone replacement therapy (BHRT), estriol was rarely used in the U.S., because the pharmaceutical industry here is not interested in a nonpatentable medicine, no matter how safe and effective it is.

      In a review of estriol in the 1980s, Dr. Robert Greenblatt, one of the foremost researchers in hormone therapy at the time, commented that “the ability of estriol to relieve vasomotor symptoms [hot flashes] and to improve vaginal maturation [prevent vaginal dryness] without inducing notable side effects, is sufficient reason for it to be included in the management of the postmenopausal syndrome.” In other words, he felt that estriol should be considered as an effective and safe form of HRT because it prevents menopausal symptoms like hot flashes without causing side effects so common to conventional estrogen replacement therapy.

      Estriol Protects Against Breast and Uterine Cancers

      That estriol is a very useful form of ERT wasn’t news to Professor Henry Lemon. He and other clinical scientists had been saying this for over 30 years. In fact Dr. Lemon stated in a 1966 article published in the Journal of the American Medical Association that “Estriol offers a nontoxic, physiologic antagonist for ovarian estrogens, inducing little or no endometrial proliferation in postmenopausal women, which together with progesterone might simulate the protective effect of pregnancy upon subsequent breast cancer risk.” In other words, estriol could be used as a form of ERT to protect the uterus and breast from cancer.

      Estriol as a Replacement Estrogen in Breast Cancer Survivors

      Dr. Lemon also researched how effective estriol is in treating women who already have breast cancer. His rationale was that estriol, unlike estradiol or estrone, had not been shown in animal studies or human clinical trials to stimulate the uterus or breast cells, therefore making it an ideal candidate for ERT in very high risk women whose breast tumors were estrogen sensitive. A clinical trial of 2.5 to 5 mg per day of estriol therapy in 28 premenopausal and postmenopausal breast cancer patients demonstrated that estriol induced remission or arrest of metastatic tumors in six (37 percent) of the women.

      Estriol Prevents Vaginal Atrophy and Urinary Tract Infections

      At menopause a common problem is degeneration of the vaginal lining, which can make intercourse painful, and renders the vagina more susceptible to invasion by bacteria, causing urinary tract infections. Several studies clearly show that a vaginal estriol cream can prevent such urinary tract infections in postmenopausal women, and this is estriol's primary use in Europe.

      Estriol Does Not Cause Blood Clots

      A very serious problem with using estradiol or estrone in a minority of women (1 out of 5,000) is that it increases the risk of death due to deep vein thromboembolism, which means the formation of life-threatening blood clots in the veins. Estriol, on the other hand, has very little effect on the blood clotting factors. Doses as high as 8 mg per day have not been found to increase the risk of blood clotting. Dr. Lemon also noted that estriol did not cause any problems related to thromboembolism in his clinical study exploring the use of estriol for treatment of menopausal symptoms in breast cancer patients. This was also the consensus of a review committee that met in the 1980s to review the clinical efficacy of estriol.

      Estriol Protects the Skin From Aging

      It is well recognized that the time around menopause is associated with more rapid aging of the skin. Estrogens are important for the structural proteins collagen and elastin, which give the skin elasticity and structure, as well as hyaluronic acid, a naturally occurring “moisture retainer” under the skin. Studies published in the mid to late 1990s demonstrated that estriol, applied as a skin cream directly to the face, remarkably reversed wrinkling and other problems of skin aging associated with the onset of menopause.

      How to Take Estriol

      The typical oral dose used in Western Europe is 2 to 5 mg daily, but because much of it is “dumped” by the liver immediately, this may only ultimately amount to ½ to 1 mg of estriol actually getting into the body.

      Many clinicians use an estriol cream that delivers 2 to 5 mg. When made as a cream, the pharmacist should indicate on the container how much cream it takes to provide the 2 to 5 mg of estriol. When you deliver estriol to your body via a cream, it is delivered in a much steadier fashion, whereas given orally it is subject to all the variables of how the digestive system and the liver are working from hour to hour.

      An estriol cream that delivers 0.5 mg, used every other day, has been shown to be very effective for treating vaginal atrophy and urinary tract infections. Published studies show that 0.5 mg estriol delivered every other day for 2 weeks, is adequate for most women, and this is how estriol is used by most women in Europe.

      The reason that estriol is used only every other day is because it doesn’t clear from the body as fast as the other estrogens and therefore one dose will last for two days. Using it every day can result in excessively high levels. Although estriol does not absorb through the skin as rapidly as estradiol or estrone, studies have shown that topical delivery of estriol is about twenty times more efficient than oral delivery.

      Estriol ( Ovestin ) Gynest is used vaginally as a cream

      Estring is a vaginal ring time realease 

       

       

       

    • Posted

      Is estriol available in US none of the gynos i have seen have mentioned it..all they offer is vagifem,premeran or estring
    • Posted

      Hi Jay you are fantastic .I wonder if you are still active on this site ? Could you tell me pls how do you take the Estriol ? How often and  you must keep a break or you can take it non-stop ? Thank you if you are around to answer.

       

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    Hello All. Just an update. If you do have problems with pads making you sore like I normally do because of the materials and perfurme in them try the natracare organic & natural ones, I got these through Amazon and although more expensive are worth it as they don't irritate. For the last 3 weeks I have been using Replens internal moisturiser 3 times a week and even though it probably won't cure the problem it does seem to be helping the symptoms and externally I am not so sore. I have come to the conculsion from reading all your replies and postings and trying a variety of suggestions, that this is a condition which although very difficult to cure after reaching the menopause, can be controlled to a certain extent to help alleviate the distressing symptoms. Well that is reassuring anyway. Good luck to you all with your problems and remember you really are no the only one going through this upsetting phase, as it can very much feel like sometimes. Thanks again. Jan
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      Happy Holidays!! I know you posted quite some time ago, and I'm hoping you've found relief by now. If not, and you're experiencing constant recurrences, what has cured me is reducing my sugar intake to no more than 42g, total, a day. If you have a glass of fruit juice in the AM, take a look at how many grams are in an 8oz glass. Cut your fructose, sucrose, and lactose, and you'll be cured. Good luck, and enjoy your new freedom!

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    Hello All. Just an update. If you do have problems with pads making you sore like I normally do because of the materials and perfurme in them try the natracare organic & natural ones, I got these through Amazon and although more expensive are worth it as they don't irritate. For the last 3 weeks I have been using Replens internal moisturiser 3 times a week and even though it probably won't cure the problem it does seem to be helping the symptoms and externally I am not so sore. I have come to the conculsion from reading all your replies and postings and trying a variety of suggestions, that this is a condition which although very difficult to cure after reaching the menopause, can be controlled to a certain extent to help alleviate the distressing symptoms. Well that is reassuring anyway. Good luck to you all with your problems and remember you really are no the only one going through this upsetting phase, as it can very much feel like sometimes. Thanks again. Jan
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    I have had a fishy or sometimes bad ammonia same smell for years and all tests from the Dr came back normal. It seems its a imbalance of hormones.  I stumbled on VH essentials Vaginal Odor Treatment.  It is a vaginal insert.  It comes in a pack of 6.  It says to use 1 daily, but I use a half one about every 5 days.   It gets rid of the smell completely.  Sometimes you may have to use a whole one, it just depends.  This has saved me from much embarrassment and I was always afraid of sex with my husband because of the smell.   Try it, you won't be disappointed.
  • Posted

    Hi,so sorry you are going through so much.Dont know what to say,but maybe sitz baths could help.Hope you and a good doctor can get this under control.
  • Posted

    Hi there...

    i just came accross your message...

    I havent read any answers yet...

    i also get discharge that smells badly toxic like amonia....im so so emmbaressed by it....

    I actually used to take drugs and always thought it was from that (being like a chemical smell)

    However i no longer use and still have this bad smelling discharge its so potent!

    And its very noticible through clothes so im just replying to your message to mention what i do and thats wear tampons....

    it works...no more smell through my clothes!

    Im yet to find out why i have this smell ill keep reading...

    I noticed u mentioned some medical condition what is that?

    Ill have to get checked out because of this smell and because sex hurts so so bad...maybe they are linked

    But anyway thanks for sharing at least i dont feel like im all alone on this and am the only one in the world with a vaginal problem!

    Hope u feel better by using tampons!

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      Hi all just a quick update, I have suffered with this since I was around 17/18 years old I'm almost 26 now I had my son at 22 it disappeared for around a year or so, it came back again I had it constantly then I got the coil in seemed to make it worse I had that in for around a year, I got it removed and have been on the hormonal pill patch now and touch wood it hasn't came back 6 months iv been using the patches my periods are alot lighter too, I don't no if it will work for anyone else but giving it a try may be worth all the while I feel so much happier and I am able to use bubble bath now with out it returning, yes that sounds silly but that did make me feel down having to shower all the time as I love baths smile good luck!
    • Posted

      Hi misty, please read my comment. I was the last one to post on this topic, so please read it. I think it can help you.

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