What do you want to banish from the planet?

Ok Faz, 

please develop the point to include adult conversion to whatever, some distinctly different view point.

I love the Dalai Lama faz! I have some of his books and he's so incredibly wise and uplifting. 

BONFIRES and people who have them they mak e me ill i can smell then for days,after. and there is no need for them .they are just a bloody nousence esp when some people burn really smelly stuff that really shouldnt be burnt .like plastics ,

they go on about ozone layer yet alow bloody bonfires its bad enough on bonfire night but i could live with that . i always thought that burning rubbish in the summer shouldt happen between 7am and 7pm 

we have them all the bloody time with allotments over the way and unsocial neighbours in the street .bloody stink . and just when you want to put washing out or open a window you cant ,drives me nuts .

Right enough Tiswas. Burning household rubbish can produce very serious polution. 

Is it ignorance, or shear antisolcial maliciousness? The relevant authorities if they take note at all come far far too late.

What a pain! Can you complain to the council or an ombusdman? Well if it makes you ill surely you have a good case.

it gives me headaches and sinus pain and makes me cough its anightmare ,but we ldont live in a smokeless zone so i suppose theres not much you can do

My neighbours oil tank gives me headaches and nausia and I had a long battle with him over it and him wanting me to get my sycamore tree chopped down to stop the roots growing underneath it.

Apparently if it's an industrial place I could fight them over the oil tank but not if it's residential. You'd think residential homes would have more chance!

well you would bu tthats the law a right arse

in David Coperfield the Beedle says "The Law ma'am is a ass" 

These words may have been put unto the mouth of ass of a character but I believe Dickens was making a strong protest.

The over arching theme of Dickens's book Bleak House is a protest against lawyers abusing the law for personal gain at the ruin of their 'clients'. That court was so corrupt that eventually it was abolished.

One of his best characters was Uriah Heep! Lol What a blueprint for the law today. 

"I'm ever so humble" That line gives me the creeps! 

Here here! It's not food, it's chemical manufactured rubbish. There can't be one iota of nutrients in it. Even things like chicken are so over processed and over cooked that they don't resemble real nutritious food! 

the thing is georgia the goverment makes big bucks of these food outlets 

we got our tescos because they put in a certain amount free parking for up to 2hrs saved the council money . the fact that it put loads of the small shops out of buisness didnt seem to count . and the same goes for the bigboys food chains.

i dont no about you but i didnt go to school with many fat kids back in the 70s there was one girl you could say was a little tubby in my class of 35 wonder what the ratio is now . makes me sick at least in the past you brought some cake you knew it had sugar in it you dont expect a bread roll to have it in but the burger buns do . and over sugars .

There were virtually no fat children in the 40s and 50s. Fat children and really fat adults followed a good many years after American stype fast food franchises had been in Uk long enough for people to get used to using them. 

 this is the reason for increase not only in obesity but childhood cancers ,which have risen since the 1970s. 

the occasionaly burger if you must is fine it wont kill you but some people eat it every day its scary seeing obese young parents taking there lovely sweet children in these places on a regurlar basis .only to repeat the problem 

 

no and why food was caloried ladden with carbs and animal fats like suet and lard which by the way is still one of the best fats you can use i have gone back to it  .

because the diet in the 40sand 50s was low in SUGAR  sugar not fat makes you fat .

I read a scary statistic yesterday. In 1900 3% of the population woul have cancer at some point in their lives. 

Todays estimates I have seen stated at 30%, 40% , and 50%

they might ll be wrong but with such a BIG difference there must be truth in a terrifying rise in cancers and the senior politicians are not asking why?

Back in the 40s and 50s we ate all the fat we could get. Butter, dripping, lard. Bread and dripping was a favourite filler and for many essential calories. The Jelly on the bottom of the dish was highly prised.

fish and chips were fried in dripping. The butcher sold dripping in special one pound bags.

Why were we not all fat? There were very few fat people of any age.

i suppose peopel will say thats because we didnt live so long and people died from it with out knowing because there were tests or medical treatment .and the poor died from hunger first .

maybe some of this is true ,but my gran was 87 when she died cooked the old fashiond way all her life like her mum and i never knew her sick except from her R/A  and sinuses . which made her fall sometimes but she never stayed in bed after 8am grandad got up at 7am to do the fire and she never visted the doctors

.she would have lived on at least into her 90s if she hadnt been so stubborn she had cateracts and couldnt see she couldnt feed her self and she died from dehydration even thou my brother got her to hospital and got rehadrated afetr finding her collaseped under the table  

the family tried to help her tried to encourage her to have them done but know she wouldnt go to hospital . but to be honest george i think she wanted to go she missed my grandad to much

i had chips fried in dripping fat lovely as a kid fat feeds stops you from picking ,lets face it george a plate of suet pudd you not going to want much eles afterwards 

yes Tiswas. If the counter argument is the increase in the average age at death why do people under the age of 70 get cancer. You don't need to be a statistician to explode that arguement.

mince wi' carrots and dumplings cooked on the mince. Yum! that was a meal. Really stuck to your ribs.

no i agree hun i am just saying thats what some clever cloggs will come out with 

 

mince is and dumplings yum still a faverite of mine 

yes they do . You know the adage

lies

d*mn lies

and

goverment statistics (also marketing statistics, Big Pharma states etc.)

the news is splattered with rubbish stats comparing unrelated data and presented as if they are supporting the erroneous point they are making.

Makes me fizzzzz so it does

I must do my own test. Others have found that if you leave junk food exposed to the air it dries up but does not decay. 

And that's food. that's scary.

(this does not apply to fish and chips. If they were fried in dripping they would be better food.)

i agree and its scary that in the western world people are vit d dificent 

and not just people with ME OR FIBRO but people and children in general 

from staying in to much not walking there kids to school or to the park like they used to . dripping fro frying is gorguse never liked it on bread 

I'm trying to think. I went to several different schools and I don't remember any fat kids! I don't think it's just the food; we were out running around playing all the time, not playing computer games.

Depends on the type of fats. Monounsaturated and polyunsaturated, omega3 and 6 fats like nuts, olive/coconut oils, seeds like pumpkin, sunflower, flax etc, fish, eggs are good.

But saturated and trans saturated fats like fatty meats, butter, lard etc are bad.

We live in an extremely toxic world now.

that where your wrong hun lard is good for you in sensiable amounts 

its antiflamontry ,vegatable oils are the worse kind of oils .

butter is also good for you ,in sensable amounts  ,coconut oil is good and olive oil as long as not heated   . 

stand corrected coconut oil is ok heated . not olive oil not sure about the other oils like pumpkin and that cause iv never used them . 

 

infact to much omega 6 isent good for you omega 3 we tend to lack in more .and is very important . 

i don thave all the info on oils and fats  but my brother spend hours daily researching nutrition and looking at the eveidence of both sides etc 

and he uses lard and heis very faddy then its good enough for me 

i started using it again simply because thats all my gran ever used and her mum before her  my gran never saw a doctor in her life never knew her in bed past 9 am or sickly .she lived to be 87 and her mother 91 my grandad lived to be 83 even with emphasemia from hte pit . 

so that and some recent reports convinced me . 

Butter and lard aren't good for me, they give me diahorrea! Shhhhhhh 

I've done a couple of nutrition courses and they say they're not good for us but perhaps as you say in small amounts.

Yes olive oil is better with a low heat or raw and the best kind is cold pressed or extra virgin..

there are nutrients in butter and lard remember these are natrual products that we cant get from  vegatable /nut oils 

and as i always say everyone differs  i cant eat beetroot or cucumber or onions they kill me and give me diroeah  as does whole meal bread .

but thats not to say that many other people can eat them with out problems . iv sent you just one article on why we should eat more lard and butter . 

theres loads more but would be a struggle to read them all for you 

it also says that avocado oil and olive oil are good it just says that those that can we should also eat more lard and butter 

 

what i was saying hun is although we eat more animal fat with great school dinners i was in seniors in the 70s  .we had thing s like sausage pie ,stew and dumplings , and tart and custard and sponge and custard 

then i went home from 74 when we all moved in with my dads girlfriend

to a 3 course dinner every night . and supper .and bacon sandwiches for breakfast daily .and i was never fat . mind i was always out and about and often walked 2miles home to save the bus fare .

We can find studies differing in opinion on anything. That's the trouble there's no finite concensus. Remember when eggs were supposed to be bad for our cholesterol? I don't believe that's true.

I tend to like to refer more to university articles because they do long term large studies.

I can eat beetrroot, cucumber, onions and wholemeal, well wholegrain bread with no problems. I love butter and sometimes I treat myself. I overdid it the other day because I hadn't had any for ages and I was on and off the toilet all day! 

That's what I said earlier, we were always out running around back then so perhaps we just burnt up the fat fast.

yes the ones i tend to read are from professors and universitys 

and from logic on my behalf .

god the body is so crazy isent i could do with out butter if i could eat the beetroot and cucumber etc be quite happy to swap  .

plus we didnt get hungrey or snack between meals .on sugar 

I'd love to be able to eat more butter but I couldn't do without cucumber and beetroot!  Funny though because I can eat cheese; can't drink milk though, even the thought of it makes me feel sick.

Yes the body is crazy, especially when we're ill. 

yes its all out of sink , and a little crazy 

can you eat melted cheese some things i can eat  one way but not another

can you eat goats butter .  

Yes I can eat melted cheese. Never tried goat's butter but I eat goat's cheese. I'll have to see if I can find some because goat's milk contains less lactose and I prefer the cheese so I might like the butter and be ok with it.

I recentlybtried a packetbof goat's butter. Different, pleasant. not at all goaty.

 Goaty! Hehe I've eaten goat's cheese for years, it's so flavoursome compared to cows cheese. I'm going to try goat's butter next time.

i actuly tried goats cheese and didnt mind the taste but it stayed with me all day and made me feel nausea's . 

strange how people differ

I tried buffalow cheese but didn't like it because it was very soft, almost slimey! The taste didn't appeal either. 

sounds nasty