Year round rhinitis but been told not allergic I know I am please help..

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Hello everyone, At the end of my tether as yet again the arrival of Spring sees me losing sleep due to thick green mucus every night being coughed up. Red eyes, blocked nose etc. Have it all year round but worse March- Sept. Mad as NHS allegist says I'm not it's not hayfever. Please help any advise very welcome. Use Amays nasal spray and saline rinse which helps me breathe but does nothing to lesson symptoms. Antihistamines have no effect. What's wrong with me? 

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    Hi, I have similar kind of issue with itching in mouth roof soft pallet. If I take Allegra M 120 issue is stopped for 36 - 48 hrs but it comes again. I am taking Allegra M since last 2 years now. It was prescribed by Aiditya birla hospital ENT specialist in Pune India. Now doctor says I should not take medicine for long time but no alternative so far. Try Allegra M and observe your case.
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    well to start which test did the NHS run on you. Have you got copy of then? DO you know you can require the GP to print a copy? 
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      Hi Dave68, Thanks for reply. GP referred me to Addenbrooks allergy clinic last summer. They tested for grass pollen etc, dogs, wheat. Not sure what else, but the basic ones and all came back negative. Had same test some years ago with same result. Thing is I have this all year round but from March - Sept I really suffer. Mucus turns green and is profuse. Eyes stream and are red. I lose my voice for a couple of months etc. Doctor at allergy clinic said my nose is very inflamed but no polyps and sent me away for 3 months use with Amamys spray which makes it easier to breathe but does nothing for other things.
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    Well that is like going to square one, the test done by the NHS only indicates that you are not allergic to the things on the panel, the problem is that the NHS may have limited tests for it. You really need to get the copy of that test as I said before and ask for a second opinion wether on the NHS or not, for example. A simple clue to know if you have a polen allergy is if teh allergy triggers outdoors, when being worse in the morning is sign to being allergic to dust or other inhabitants of a Home. However the prick test should have already discarted dust allergy (good for you) and only further test may determinate the reason.

     

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      Thank you. I have to wait 2 weeks for a GP appointment. I'm going to ask her to refer me back to the allergy clinic. I will also ask for copy of test. Had about 2 hours sleep last night coughing up the green phlegm. Every morning I have  hot red cheeks and feel rough just like with a cold. Forgot to mention my ears are permanently blocked too. I hate whinging but it's really getting me down.
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    There is also a second way to know if you have an allergy, checking if reacts to antialérgicas sprays, this is the NICE guideline in the management of allergic rhinitis. ie: I drop mi gp for insisting in using budenoside , later on I was prescribed ipatropium which really helps. You do not ask for the gp for the copy of the test. That is asked at the reception. They cannot refuse it. (European and English/Scottish data protection law)

    http://cks.nice.org.uk/allergic-rhinitis

    http://www.nhs.uk/chq/pages/1309.aspx?categoryid=68   ;

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      Sorry I don't understand. What is the second way of testing for allergy? Forgot to add I also have "conjunctivitis".
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      Sorry for my autocorrector or lack of skills in English.

      Just for the sake of logic if your rhynithis improves with an antialergic treatments you may have an allergy.

      The first suggestion I have is to read the NICE guideline I posted and enquire your GP to step up the treatment, ie. for myself budenoside was a total waste of time while azelastine helped a little bit and finally after a big fuzz I was prescribed Ipatropium which really helped.

      I had myself a prick test panel and I was told I have a dust allergy, however I had that panel in the NHS and privately abroad (Spain) and the NHS panel was very limited while the private clinic tested up to 8 mites (What its was very relevant in my case).

      Hence, in my opinion a possible reason is that you could have an allergy not tested in the initial NHS panel, so you need to enquire for a second opinion and further tests to find out what it could be (this is the reason I told you to ask for your test at your GP)

      Finally I cannot find the link about it but I remember when I was researching for myself that conjuntivitis is more often related to polen allergy than perennial triggers (like dust).

      Another possibility I can just comment a bit is having a non allergic rhinitis,  please google that if you think it may fit your case.

       

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      Many thanks. Clinic said it was non allegic as I didn't react to NHS tests however, I know I'm allergic to something as year round symptoms much worsen every year March untill September. This would suggest trees and pollen to me but according to the test I had no. Very fustrating. I also have hypothyroidism and psoriasis which are auto immune diseases so perhaps I'm just a "sensitive" person. My Mother has Acromegly and Brother Addisons disease so there is a lot of endocrine problems in family. 
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    Sharonnamy1965, have you been put on antibiotics?  I ask this because green mucus signals bacterial infection.  You must feel very 'stuffed up'; I feel for you.  You need Cephalexin antibiotics.

    Continue with saline rinses but there is no need to use commerically made solutions, unless these are single use saline vials of 5mL each. Steam inhalations of just boilet water in a clean bowl, breathed in deeply for five minutes while you have a towel over your head to precvent the steam escaping will help too. And it is so much cheaper than buying products.

    I have used steroid nasal sprays in the past, similar to the Amays Nasal Spray, and it worked really well but I only used it seasonally in MY Spring, which is in September - November; I live in Australia.  Year round use of such products is not a good idea, as they lose their effectiveness AND I have been told, it drives the inflammation (and any infection present) into the nasal bones, not just the mucosal membranes lining them.

    You mentioned you also have hypothyroidism (me too!) and psoriasis.  Anyone who has autoimmune conditions should stay away from wheat!   The proteins in wheat makes the immune system overactive you could say; so that it causes the immune system to attack its own body.  Once you stop eating wheat and wheat derivative products (it's found in many processed foods, such as gravy/soup and casserole seasoning mixtures/powders as well as biscuits, commerically made breakfast 'cereals' and bread,  your psoariasis WILL disappear.

    Use oats and quinoa for breakfast cereal/porridge; eat bread made from grains other than wheat.  Stop eating biscuits and crackers unless they are made from almond meal, rice flour; any grain other than wheat.

    You may be wondering why your doctors have not told you to stay away from wheat; well they consider you a 'good patient' because you keep going back to them!  Be good to yourself instead and stop eating wheat and its derivatives.  Some doctors may also simply not know that wheat is not good for autoimmune conditions.  So tell them!

    Read these:

    What is wheat allergy?

    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/174405.php

    Eating the right foods for you will NOT MEAN that you are CURED of your autoimmune conditions, HOWEVER  they will be GREATLY REDUCED IN SEVERITY.

    The above links I have supplied have the HONcode, just like this website, patient.info.  Always use HONcode for the most ethical and trustworthy source of medical and health related information available on Internet.  http://www.hon.ch/HONcode/Patients/Visitor/visitor.html

     

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      In reference to this comment by the moderator:

      "Emis Moderator comment: I have removed a link as it was to a site unsuitable for inclusion in the forums. If users want this information please use the Private Message service to request the details."

      The link provided:

      <http://patient.uservoice.com/knowledgebase/articles/398331-private-messages>;

      does not tell me why one of the links I provided - which are approved by the Health On the Net Foundation (HONcode), as I stated in my entry - was removed.

      I, a retired nurse, live in Australia.  The Australian Federal government and my state government and any doctors I have ever had contact with, state to only use HONcoded websites for reliable health and medical information.  I have been answering health and medical questions on several websites for seven years now, and have never before had a HONcoded website which I have linked to rejected for publication.

      If I remember correctly the link which has been rejected was a UK website, just like this very one.  I find it odd that it was rejected.  HONcoded websites do not endorse or sell medications.

      Could the moderator please stated exactly what was wrong with that link which was rejected.  Was it one for medical professionals only?  I that why it was rejected?

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    I agree with some things withLindaPrime, you need to check if you have a sinus infection, please do only search on american websites as regards this. The sinus section on patient.info is confusing and in my opinion only designed to reduce doctors atending, or antibiotics comsumption. No mather how patronizing a doctor could be if you have a postnasal purulent discharge for more than two weeks (discharge=green/yellow mocus) antibiotics could help. This is recognised even on "cochrane colaboration". Should this be the case, this will be only be a temporal relieve although.

    I said I agree also, because a rare allergic trigers for a sinus infection could be allergic to food, I do not refer to being intolerant to milk, but having IGe antibodies for some aliments. Similars but less severe to those who are allergic to peanuts.

    This is beyond my understanding but there is some true in LindaPrime comment, my recomendation for sure although is to keep searching until you find the allergy. It is a waste of time blind shooting whatever you think it could be. You may think is wheat and it could be milk or somethink totally different like cockroaches and so on. Even a chemichal in a hair dye could cause an allergic reaction. Just keep looking please.

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    Thank you Linda and Dave. I really appreciate your help. I have had the green mucus for years and it's been tested by docs. They told me it is not infectious. This makes sense as it turns clear through out the year every year. As my symptoms worsen, Spring / Summer, the phlegm turns yellow and green. Linda, wheat allergy was ruled out by allergy clinic all though I do suspect foods.
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      Thanks for your reply sharonamy1965.  I found an artitcle wihich mentioned that chronic rhinosinusitis could have a greenish-yellow discharge, but it was not infected.

      It did mention a recurrant acute on chronic sinusitis, which did show infection in the sufferer  seasonally. This type occurred in people who had young children going to childcare, kindy, lower primary and going back on holidays which caused the children to get reinfected each new term as well as the parents/caregivers.

      Wheat allergy was ruled out, but have they tested specifically for gluten?

       

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      I to have perennial rhinitis ,also eczema ,I'm T a loss totally ,just had an intolerance test back today ,as follows Millet ,Oily Fish ( never eat ) Tuna (never eaten ) Almonds again never eaten in goodness knows how many years .So I'm at a loss. This test was done before same came up ,now the latest test I paid heck of a lot more ,but came back the same .So how reliable are these test ,will add had it done at same place ,so they had me on record. Why didn't they tell me it wasent a food allergy test  as I thought it was. At that high cost .Feeling dupped today .
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      I think you have been duped Marlene. 

      Are you telling me that you had an intolerance test done and it showed you were allergic to the grain millet; oily fish (which includes tuna, salmon, mackerel, sardines, whitebait, trout and pilchards) and almonds?  Yet you have not eaten those in years?

      The tests you had done does not sounds reliable to me. How was the test performed?  Was ity done by a series of pin pricks on the inside of your arm?  This is the only reliable type of allergy testing I am aware of and it is performed by doctors.

      Naturopaths frequently use unproven and money wasting techniques to test for allergies.  These unproven tests include: Vega testing;  Cytotoxic testing and it's variant Alcat testing and Kinesiology.

      Oily fish and almonds contain Omega 3 Oils.  These healthy foods/fats build up and protect healthy mucosal membranes.  They are essential eating if one wants to have healthy nasosinus/ respiratory mucosa.  I strongly suggest that you start eating more of these foods to guard against your perennial rhinitis and eczema.

      The following link talks about unreliable allergy testing techniques.  The link has HONcode certification which shows that it is not set up by some unscrupulous charlatans out to rid you of your money, but is written by medically trained personnel:

      http://www.allergy.org.au/patients/about-allergy/65-aer/general/261-unorthodox-testing-and-treatment-for-allergic-disorders

      This links talks about the benefits of millet and eating varied types of grains.  Again it has HONcode certification:

      http://www.myvmc.com/lifestyles/grains-cereals/

      These two links are about the benefits of eating a diet high in Omega 3 Oils and oily fish in particular.  Again the websites contain the HONcode certification:

      http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/9978.php

      http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/40253.php

      Thank you for contacting me, Marlene and I hope you start feeling better soon.

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