Anthropic vaginitis

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I have been suffering with this. I'm 61& single. I am taking HRT. I'm fit, slim & eat a healthy diet. I have tried the creams but no luck. The doctor hasn't been much help. Any suggestions? 

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    Heres some info

    more info continued ...  Estriol ( Ovestin) ( Ovestinon) vaginal Cream internal and external use 0.1% 1mg ....

    Estriol Ovulo 0.5mg vaginal ovules x 20 ( Ovestin) 

    Estriol – The Power of Weak

    Estriol is the third form of estrogen.  It is called weak estrogen by the medical profession because it only has 1/25th the proliferative effect on female tissues.  At the same time it is called weak, its usefulness is summarily dismissed by American doctors as some unknown and unproven substance – a testament to a profession’s lack of comprehension for anything that hasn’t been spoon fed to them by the pharmaceutical industry.

    Your ovaries (assuming you still have them) produce 2 mgs of estriol per day, far more than any other form of estrogen.  Estriol levels do not rise and fall with your menstrual cycle19, and their production is not naturally curtailed at the time of menopause. 

    Unlike estradiol, higher blood levels of estriol are generally protective against breast cancer.  One large trial20 showed that estriol did not increase the risk for breast cancer, whereas estradiol did.

    In women age 85 and older who have no heart disease, higher circulating levels of estriol21 are present and associated with healthy blood flow and good circulation.  An animal study confirms that estriol increases the friendly form of nitric oxide22, an important relaxation factor for healthy circulation that helped prevent the formation of atherosclerosis in this study.

    A study of women over 80 taking 2 mg of estriol per day found that it increased their bone density23.

    Estradiol drugs are known to increase total cholesterol.  A 2-year study of women entering menopause24 found that estriol prevented the estradiol-induced rise in cholesterol.  Whereas triglyceride levels also increased in the estradiol drug group, estriol again prevented this result – even lowering triglycerides.  Since an elevation in triglycerides is a key sign of insulin resistance, leptin resistance, cancer risk, and heart disease – one can only say that a natural substance that directly guards against this (estriol) is a powerful health-promoting compound.

    Estriol is sometimes referred to as the pregnancy estrogen, as its production rises from 2 mgs per day to 8 mgs per day during pregnancy.  It is believed that this elevation in estriol is highly protective to the evolving fetus, especially to the fetus’s nervous system25.  It is also believed that the rise in estriol helps stabilize the mother’s immune response26 to the fetus, dampening the possibility of the mother’s own immune system trying to reject the fetus as foreign.  It has been shown that a lack of estriol is associated with low birth weight babies27.  Low estriol is also a factor associated with postpartum depression28.

    Unlike the obvious issue of excess estradiol being linked to serious autoimmune problems, estriol is linked to immune stability.

    Indeed, the observation of the regression of autoimmune multiple sclerosis during pregnancy has led to some fascinating studies.  Non-pregnant women with MS29 have been given 8 mgs of estriol per day (the pregnancy level) and their MS has gone into regression.  When the estriol is stopped it comes back, and when it is started again it goes away (including the removal of brain lesions).  Phase II clinical trials30 are currently under way.  One of the fascinating aspects of these initial studies showed that estriol could powerfully modulate TNFa31, a significant inflammatory signal that is overactive in many autoimmune problems.  A separate cell study shows that estriol3216 is far better than estradiol at protecting brain cells from toxic exposure.

    Estriol has proven effective as a treatment for vaginal dryness and atrophy33, as well as urinary tract infections.  It has been shown to help relieve hot flashes34, acting as a natural hormone balancer.  It helps many women with mood.  If you try some, make sure you can tell it is doing something useful.

    The body of evidence shows that estriol is safe and effective, a form of estrogen that is produced throughout one’s life.  It acts as an antioxidant and anti-inflammatory, and is particularly effective at protecting the female system and nervous system.

    As with any bioidentical hormone replacement, women should always ensure they are working on an overall health improvement program and it is moving in the right direction.  Never rely on any one hormone as a “magic bullet.”  And always keep it to a level that is within what your body would naturally produce.

    Estriol is readily available in OTC creams and through a compounding pharmacist. 

    • Posted

      Thanks for all this info, it's useful to know a bit more about estriol, as I've been using the cream for 3 months and I do think it's helped me.  I was very nervous about using any form of HRT as I had a very bad reaction to the Pill when I was young and since then found that anything oestrogenic gave me terrible breast pain (including oestrogenic herbs like yam).  So I was extremely reluctant when my GP suggested locally used hormone cream.  The one she gave me made me jump off the bed as my vagina was so sore.  So then I started researching and discovered estriol cream.  And to my surprise it hasn't given me breast pain - and also seems to help my nether regions when using inside the vagina. 
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    When I was 50 I had an ovary removed the vaginal pain and soreness since then has caused significant problems and doctors seem to know very little. I was put on HRT patches these on their own help but do not do enough to help in the vaginal region. I have had  to come off the patches now due to a cancer scare which was false but made me think about going back on patches. I was prescribed gynest cream, this only works if I use it 4 times a week and then I use 'multi-gyn actigel' and sometimes 'balance active' on the days between. I have tried leaving off a day and the soreness, itching and pain return. It's sad to think this has to go on for life but it's better than the appalling pain I was in before. The actigel helps prevent thrush as well as keeping the vagina lubricated but although it's supposed to stop bacterial vaginosis balance active is sometimes needed. I have found you have to tackle this from all directions and can only assume the menopause changes the acidity of the vagina. These treatments seem to keep all bases covered...just! Hope this helps you.
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      Thanks Deb, have made a note. Do you get this over the counter or from the doctor. Are you in the UK? 

      I'm still trying all sorts, it's helping but not there yet. 

      It is something we are stuck with & must find a way of dealing with it so all information helps. Good luck & I'll keep you posted on my progress. 

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      I am in the UK. I either order multigy and active balance from amazon or get it from boots. The Gynest cream comes from the GP. Trying to keep normal is an ongoing expense but I have tryed cutting back and leaving off and within a fortnight I have trouble sitting down! Yes please do keep me posted. I feel for anyone going through a similiar thing and it's great that so many people on here are trying to help each other.
    • Posted

      Hi Deb

      your right there, so many supplements to take daily, then the vaginal relief .. trial and error, some work some dont, well not enough... it all mounts up doesnt it..

      in Spain you can buy the Estriol Ovestin at the farmacia ... so it is easier ... that way.... I live in spain...  at least i dont have to keep going to the gyno for  it..... just trying abit at the moment... not daily every 3 days and only half the measure... think its stronger than gynest .... we shall see ...

      yes its good to share 😃

      Jay xx

       

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      Hope you find it makes a difference jayneejay. Keep us posted.x
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    Hi, I am new here. I am 58 yrs old & started having pains & bleeding with sex about 1 1/2 yr ago. Last week I had bleeding while going the bathroom, so thought maybe I had  a infection, so started trying yoghurt for 1 week up vagina. I googled my symptoms & it seemed Anthropic vaginitis is what suited my symptoms except I thought bleeding was only supposed to be when having sex. I tried some garlic juice in coconut oil first 2 nights with a little bit of flax seed oil then I tried some clove oil for 2 days since it has anti bacteria, anti fungal properties. I must have gotten more inflammed since I started bleeding more each day. I would say not that much just a little threw out the day. Last night I got scared when I saw a blood clot, but I only been using coconut oil for 2 days & today the bleeding was just a few drops all day & the burning sensasion was almost gone, What I want to know is it normal to bleed a little if your badly inflammed in vagina? Also I usually take a 1 hr walk, but after bleeding more I have put that on hold. I feel so frustrated that what all I found on googling does not explain how much bleeding can be normal if you have inflamed anthropic vaginitis. Please if anyone has had the same problem or knows anything please let me know.
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    Hi, I am new here. I am 58 yrs old & started having pains & bleeding with sex about 1 1/2 yr ago. Last week I had bleeding while going the bathroom, so thought maybe I had  a infection, so started trying yoghurt for 1 week up vagina. I googled my symptoms & it seemed Anthropic vaginitis is what suited my symptoms except I thought bleeding was only supposed to be when having sex. I tried some garlic juice in coconut oil first 2 nights with a little bit of flax seed oil then I tried some clove oil for 2 days since it has anti bacteria, anti fungal properties. I must have gotten more inflammed since I started bleeding more each day. I would say not that much just a little threw out the day. Last night I got scared when I saw a blood clot, but I only been using coconut oil for 2 days & today the bleeding was just a few drops all day & the burning sensasion was almost gone, What I want to know is it normal to bleed a little if your badly inflammed in vagina? Also I usually take a 1 hr walk, but after bleeding more I have put that on hold. I feel so frustrated that what all I found on googling does not explain how much bleeding can be normal if you have inflamed anthropic vaginitis. Please if anyone has had the same problem or knows anything please let me know.
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      Hi darlene, I can't say that the soreness has ever made me bleed. Have you been to see a doctor? Coconut oil is a great thing to use for soreness, thrush and is antifungal but is your bleed coming from the skin or from the womb? Initially I started with garlic oil and coconut and they are helpful but I can't help feeling you should get checked out if you havent already done so.
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      I should say get checked out as soon as you can, I have never actually had a bleed raw with no skin but not bleeding
    • Posted

      Hi Darlene

      have you reached menopause to darlene ? or in peri? 

      do you have regular periods ? 

      are you on HRT ? 

      if you have reached peri hun, or menopause, you should go to the doctors, or preferably have a well woman check ..  ultra sound, check all is okay..

      i have vaginal atrophy and never bled... i am one year into menopause full.  age 50 

      it could be nothing but needs investigating ..jay xx

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    Thanks girls I really appreciate your thoughts! I plan to call doctors office tomorrow for appointment, so I can find out what is going on. Have been menopause for 18 yrs & have not used anything or even been to a doctor lol...just hate those check ups. I have been on a healthy juicing & diet last 2 yrs & am fanatic since my husband got prostate cancer 2 yrs ago. So I really thought cancer was not a possibilty for me. Now thinking back about 1 month ago my first non normal symptom was I felt this terrible pain when I was going to urine, so I had to stop & try a few times before I could pee. Then was bleeding when I had a bowel movement from vagina was second symptom of bleeding. So I wonder if I could have any kind of prolaps or infection that is causing all this? I do not have any bladder infection like I used to have in younger days that is for sure or I would know cause that hurt. But what has changed is I have to relax before I can pee which I did not have to do before. I will let you girls know what the doc says, but probably wont get in until next week. Thanks again for your support! smile
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    I have suffered with most symptoms post menopausal. Atrophic vaginitis; recurring thrush, urine infections, soreness, dryness, as with many others who suffer it is a constant battle especially if you have an active sex life which is often marred by the symptoms we suffer.... recent consultation with a gynaecholigist has led to the use of a vaginal ring inserted containing estradiol. This is a 24 hour vaginal delivery system. Has anyone else had this ring inserted and what were the effects? My doctor had not heard of the ring. I was doing well with vagifem pessary before and asked my doctor how they compared to the ring but sadly she said she did not know so as per usual we do better researching for ourselves. So any comments welcomed
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      Hi Sue, I haven't used the ring or vagifem. I'm on HRT. Let us know how you get on & if it helps with your symptoms. 

      You are so right tho. Our doctors don't seem to have much of an idea with AV. I had to do all research myself. My doctor ( a woman) doesn't help at all, I now tell her what treatment I need!

      Keep us posted. 

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      I took myself to see the consultant and paid. The ring appears to be arelatively new idea. Appears that you and I have just the same kind of attitude to it all.

      I am 63. How long can you have hrt for?

      also my doctor told me they used to work in gyni. You would think they could possibly be more knowledgable!?

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