guese who wrote this

its nice to know that i am not alone thinking along these thougths 

iv always tried my best to recover with what ever ails me .with out the doctor.

my file is very small compared to most patcients of my age .

in the last 10yrs iv been to the doctors for bloods about 6 times and a chest infection [which was caused by antidepreants ] which i told him i didnt need , because i was only depressesd because i was in constant pain .this seemed to go right over his head. luckly i was only on them for 2 months when the penny dropped that the cough stated when i started the pills

iv had flu once in that time and got over it by sleeping and rest and lots of fluids ,the worst thing and the hardest thing to get rid of was the cough

. i asked my doctor about mageneisum he said we only do half a day on vitamins and minerals , and shugged his shoulders 

how can you help people with out basic idea how the body functions

thru nutriention or lack of it. i would have thought this basic medical learning.

Did you know that unlike other professions theres no need for a doctor to go on training courses to keep up to date with latest medical information . bit worring .

Hi Tiswas,

I don't have that problem with my doctor, she actually purchased books on my conditon mainly because there is so many variants and on top of that, Doctors and Consultants call me a very complex case, with being on over 40+ tablets a day and 5 injections every 10 weeks, it's not easy to make changes in tablets without causing major side-effects. My doctor looks up drugs if shes unsure if they will affect any that I'm already on.

Regards,

Les.

I had a doctor in whom I had great confidence. Where appropriate he would even say, "I don't know." That brief statement gave me such confidence in what he did advise and prescribe. 

Sadly for us a new doctor took over the practice. Our good doctor left the practice almost imeadiately. After my wife consulted the new doctor and was prescribed conflicting drugs we decided to leave the practice too.

to be quite honest it seems that your chasing the dragon one drug treating a symptom then causing another symptom so needing another drug .

thats why i didnt start with the drugs because this is what happens .

iv had pain where i wished i was dead it was so bad but just worked thru it now i belive i am getting my rewards . 

i do believe that some meds are needed for some conditions but a whole heap of them are not .there just keeping the doctors in a job .

this is just how i feel , no reflection on you hun so please dont be offended  . 

I'm with you tiswas, I don't want to cause offence either but I read a study or article or something a few years ago that said that over 80% of people in hospitals are there because of side effects from drugs. I don't know how accurate that was but I'm sure there's a lot of truth in it.

i would say that was about right although that would not be the reason given to the patcient . 

 

Very true! They could be sued.

i know this to be true personaly ,after my hyesterctomy they put my back out i was in terriable pain i couldnt get any pain killers i couldnt even get anyone to see me , i spent four nights walking around and sleeping in a chair unable to lie down due to extreme pain ,i couldnt wait to get home .

and trust me i must have been in pain because iv not the sort to take pain killers for anything ..care must be joking .

Tis ~

You bring up a good point regarding taking anti depressents because of pain.  You are one of the lucky ones that do not need them.  Those of us who suffer 24/7 with a great deal of pain, depend on certain drugs to help just ease the pain to a very minimal degree.  If the change is so slight, why take them?  To answer my own question, I've gone w/o them for a number of days to see if I really did need them.  I could NOT walk.  I had a very difficult time even moving.  Something as simple as going to the bathroom, was a feat for me because of the pain.  So, my  answer was that I did indeed get more relief than I thought I was getting.

The medical field shouldn't be judged just by that one doctor's account.  There are more to substantiate the need.  Some will argue it's because those doctors want the money.  I believe, in my humble opinion, that most doctors are honest.  They took that oath to help people and the money, which understandable is good, but the money  was secondary.  We all had the choice of becoming a doctor and living the good life of having boats, vacations etc...but we didn't.  So  because of that, we must not just go by one doctors point of view.  After all, he's retired now.  Would he have suggested those issues if he was still employed as a doctor?

Anyway, these are just my thoughts on this subject.  Not all doctors think like the one presented in this discussion.  In fact, I believe more are in it to save lives.

Warm regards, 

Frustrated

I keep reading different points you're making and I have to disagree wtiht them.  Doctors LIKE other professions DO go to conferences to learn the latest and they also practice them at the conferences.  I'm just worried where you're getting all your information.

Just sayin'  

F61

Reading the other replies, mine seem to be in a negative nature.  It isn't.  I'm merely pointing out that there are times that we NEED the medical field and some of us more than others.  Some aren't given the good genes that allow homeopathic ways  used and that way only.   

I believe there is always a other side of everyones point.  That's not to say that to one who opposes is in the wrong...it merely points out the other side of the coin.

Thank you for bringing this to everyone's attention.  I hope all of you are open for a different look at this.

Thank you

Frustrated

Hello all,

On a forum like this we need alternative views. We are coming here not only for comfort and reassurance but information both theoretical and from practical experience. We need a spread of information to develop and refine our own knowledge base. We also need that spread to help us fit the information from the forum, the web and the health professionals who help and advise us to our own unique circumstaces and conditions. I do not think we need to defend our views although it can be useful to give a reply if someone asks where our information came from. That might be experience, heresay, web article or our healthprofessional etc..

Hi Doc ~

The opposing view I had was to also address the fact that this particular view you're viewing is from one doctor.  I do believe that some who read this and are convinced that homeopathic ways are the only ways and then they pass away because they should have seen an acutal doctor.

Whatever the case, we're all adults and will take the road we all feel comfortable with.  I, personally, feel comfy with both.  I don't and won't defend my view as it is my right to feel how I feel and the road to take and with that said, agree to disagree is at hand.

Frustrated

I thought that I was giving an alternative view, no?  If that be the case, why even have a forum for all to speak as willed?  Just curious or perhaps I'm being a bit too sensitive?

Frustrated

of course his retired they find ways of striking doctors of for speaking out i am sure there are many doctors that have simuliar thoughts .

the doctor who wrote the article 

was maybe old school kind of doctor who knew his parcents and treated them well. 

maybe he took early retirment because he couldnt practise the way he wanted to who knows .

iv have pain hun esp in my feet back hips so bad iv hardly been able to stand , iv had tears in my eyes with the frustrations and restrictions 

the fatigue kills me ,as well and theres no where on my body that you can touch or place pressue with out me not flinching from pain .

i just choose to deal with it in my way like you .  my way eases the pain not take it away but id rather that then put up with side effects of meds . but each to there own .

like the article says if you can stay away your best to  .theres no point looking for a homeopathic doctor if your smashed up in an accident although he would be able to give remedies to help you heel after the surgeons have put you back together, place for both.

i just wish doctors wernt in the back pockets of the pharmcy giants 

i may trust them more . 

 

Yes Frustrated (I don't take to F61: too much like a fighter jet and you are much too lovely to be that) It is the exchange of views in a non combative way that is so important. That exchange should legitimately include observations as to perceived weaknesses of logical argument, weakness of evidence in a report, and, as here, avoidance of overreliance on single person's view.

For myself, I am keen that readers of reports keep in mind who is paying for a report or who is funding the person or body paying for a report. Big Pharma are cute at how they get their view across with presenting it as an independent view. Our lives may well depend on realising from whom a report is really coming and so preventing us making a bad decision. There are times when we do desperately need help from Big Pharma. Let us choose the right one.

Perhaps this should be a Discussion. It would then be available for reference and improvement on into the future. The purpose is not to make bogymen out of Big Pharma or to run down the NHS etc but to improve our ability to harness needed help from the medical community and when we may gain the benefits of good diet and alternative therapies.

Yes dear Frustrated perhaps, or perhaps I was not careful enough in how I expressed myself. Yes, you gave an alternative view and I had intended to promote the value of both the original veiw and the different view that you provided. Both are of great importance. Both are worthy of acceptance. The reader might choose one or the other or a bit of both or refuse both.. There is such value in that in having that choice.

all could work together ,but the nhs is been run in to the ground by consecutive goverments  , instead of investing in managers lets get back to paying people to do a good job lets have some to whome staff are answerable to on the wards .

a large amount of the problems could be sorted by having the re instating of ward sisters , and ward cleaners .and i am sure it will cost less then all these bloody managers and save peoples lives so many deaths caused thru neglect of basic care , and hygen 

Doc!

HaHa!  Fighter jet F61...hardly what I wanted to say.  Merely just tired of writing the entire name.  Nothing more nothing less.  And yes,perhaps a discussion is in need.  You take the lead and I'll follow!

Much love,

Frustrated

Doc ~

Thank you for tempering the discussion as I wasn't nor ever want to seem argumentative.  That's not me.  I just wanted to express, as you pointed out, that there were two alternatives or even possibly more.  Someone may just come in and add to the mix.

Anyway, your great way of taking care of me is admirable!  

Much love to you!

Frustrated

Dear Tiswas, my thoughts on politicians are unprintable. Mangaers are necessary but they must understand the business they manage. In the past doctors and nurses with the needed abilities were the managers. The obectives should be caring for the sick and comforting the dying. Profits are nonesense and balance sheets are of vanishingly small importance. NHS ought to be a charity, largely funded by taxes. After all Bevin gathered all the medical charities plus GPs together and belhold!  there was the NHS.

this goverment pays lip service to the NHS they wont be happy until its run in to the ground and we have to pay again.with only the very poor getting free treatment

.  they have done it with the dentists ,they are thinking of chargeing for gp appoinments[ they wont get rich of me] the next step will be demolshing the NHS .

might save some money if they charged foiregn visitors for treatments and stop alowing women from America and other countries the right to free births in this country unless they can prove they live here .so many find it cheaper to come here at 7 months rent some where here have there baby on the NHS then go home [. information got thru bbc documentries]

I value you all and your contributions.

And, my! Frustrated you know how to make a fellow feel good. When we are in enough trouble to come on this forum we need a lot of love. So we also need to hand it out softly and sweetly and continuously.

With much love, Doc

PS I have started the new Discussion in ChatRoom

Doc