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I just registered for this site bc I am completely overwhelmed & dont know what to do. My BF is an alcoholic when I met him a year and a half ago I had no idea ... Thru A LOT  of love time and support I got him to a three month excellent rehab out of state dualDiagnostic etc he did amazingly well only to start drinking horribly again after all the education that cost him tens of thousands of dollars the fourth month before he came home ... He finally came home through my help and was detoxed at home  he was again off alcohol for a month only to start again a month later ... It has not stopped . I am SICK worried don't know what to do his family has turned their back on him - I can't let him stay with me cuz I've tried I've have done it before  but I worry I won't know what to do when he starts shaking or gets sick ... I love him goes without saying and have and will do ANYTHING to help. But he can't stay with me. spo the last time he was detoxed about a month ago i took hinm to a hotel -  I Am worried sick cuz in the last two weeks since i have seen him -  he has said I'm selfish cuz he's spending so much money on hotels and although I know I'm the farthest thing from selfish I can understand why he feels this way but i have tried the scenario of his living with me and he just continues on the same destructive path -he needs professional help   . The last time I saw him was two weeks ago now from us being together pratically every day, nornign and night - this is heartbreaking.  I keep hearing the same thing from him that I'm selfish that I'll die alone cuz I'm selfish calling me everything you can imagine ... I never say anything mean back only lift him up with positives and every day try to suggest to him that we go to yet another detox then Rehab ...  he said he wanted to see me in the last couple of weeks  but he was drinking and I just couldn't do it for my sanity so I told him I was working which was true ... Now in the past day and a half he's gone from  text maybe 3 a day (from being together all the time )   and now nasty vile vulgar texts to me and about me two days ago  ... It is a complete switch so I don't know where he is for the first time since ive known him - he has sent me videos of himslef and he looks horrible pale white and so drunk its awful .. I am at the brink of tears every day and am so worried .. I do not like Al anon at all there's no discussion there only talking and then a "thank you for sharing" it's not for me. Please please please give me guidance I am desperate what to do why has  gone from a million texts a day to hardly anything ... Is it becuz i  have been askign him to go to detox and he doesnt want to hear it  and so he is pushing me away becuz i represnt sanity and the "right thing" - or is it beciz i havent said yes yet agin to his living with me which is what he seems to be so angry about - he wont stop bringing it up =  I HAD TO take a break cuz my mental health was at risk not to mention all the time I have missed with my Work I was at risk of losing everything .Will he regret hwo he is treating me when and if he sobers up - is my staying away smear or will he resent me for it - He always spoke of getting married and we were the perfect couple - . Please respond

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    Hi Quadrillion ,

           i hope you are looking after you, worrying yourself sick wont help anyone, have you got someone to talk about all this to, it's important you get a support system in place for yourself - the longer this goes on the more support you will need-

      first off , i hate the term co-dependant, i think it's ballsology to be honest - you cannot put people into boxes or label them, when dealing with something like addiction - everyone is different and their relationships are all different -

       i do think that sometimes you have to let an addict find their rock bottom before they get the desire to seek help - if an addict continues to reject help, you have no choice but to let them hit the bottom before they start to come up for air- unfortunately some dont make it- again everyone is different and everybodys "bottom" is different - it does not mean you have to be living on a park bench, before you realise you need help- the loss of a job, or a loved one can sometimes be enough of a catalist to persuade the addict they need help-

       one thing i have learned- the harder you try and force someone to go for help the harder they will push against it- 

      you must consider the fact your BF may be scared of giving up - the thought of facing life without a drink could terrify him- also the thought of going through withdrawls may make him want to continue to drink- withdrawls can be pretty scary at the best of times- he may of had a bad experience in the past-

      as i said their are many reasons that may contribute to an alcoholic wanting to continue to drink despite being aware of the consequences and the damage it may cause- fear is a very powerful motivator.

        i would not be in a rush to make contact, if he is still drinking he may well lash out at you again- you represent a threat to his drinking- he knows that if he wants to be part of your life then he has to stop- so he is being defensive - he may well be feeling really guilty as well and his lashing out is a way of protecting himself from feeling this guilt- by blaming you for this situation it saves him having to think about his drinking being to blame- i would let him alone and hopefully he will start to seee sense and realise you are only trying to help him- this may take time - so you need to try and get on with your life as best you can - remember one thing- addicts are very resiliant - we have to be to survive the crap we put ourselves through- i think you are going to have to be patient-  all the best-

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      Hi pmcg, again thank you! Thank you! I have not for the past two weeks offering to ask him to go to detox anymore. Also he has been thru withdrawals and I know they are difficult for him. I do have friends but female friends plus no one with your perspective you are more real in regard to how u realize things are not so black & white - everyone's situation has its own back story, emotions, idioconcracies etc...

      I think I need to next he is in touch make it clear the reason he wasn't living with me again was becuz we tried it and it continued on the same destructive path - I have to make that crystal clear. His saying I left him or I broke his heart BREAKS my HEART BECUZ it is not true ...

      His nice than not nice then nice again texts all within a two hour time range does that point to he is still drinking do u think?

      I will as I have been continue to let him contact me and when he does I will not allow him this time to put the blame on me for us not being together right now - which is what he's trying to do - and I wouldn't mind but he KNOWS how much I've tried and for him to characterize me as someone who "left him" makes me hurt so much cuz IF he truly believes that it makes me not be able to sleep I hAvevnt slept .

      You are great I really truly appreciate your honest advice.

      If you have any suggestions how to answer his texts - how to phrase what or how I should answer - his accusinf me of leaving him or breaking his heart when in fact it was his drinking that caused this please suggest it would be very helpful -

      Thank you again pmcg xo

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      Sorry but I think she should get rid of him.

      No offence because I don't want to upset anybody on this site as they have been helpful to me.

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      Hi Louis - I appreciate your looking at all of this and my ongoing struggle here . It hasn't ended . It's just horrible I feel like I'm in a really bad dream and I'm going to wake up at some point. How can I get rid of him I can't just flip a switch and decide he's disposable - blv me I appreciate your advice I do and the passion behind it - but this is a man I love. I have not been in contact w him since his last text change with me 10 days ago I thought it was best to let him be in touch w me since I never know what I'll get or who I'll get (Jekyll or Hyde ) as someone described it on this forum ! But for our last exchange to be so nice and end so nice and now NOTHING for ten days combined w the fact his mom has not heard back from him in the last 13 days and she has been texting him regularly and now he hasn't replied to her - it's as if taking both of our situations that there might be something wrong .

      I can't bring myself to text him or call him every time I think I'm going to I freeze sad just like now this morning I promised myself I would but I honestly don't have the strength or courage to do it in fear he may something hurtful like " I've found someone who cares " which I know is unlikely but I know he can be hurtful and I won't know if it's true or not and the "wound" so to speak - from the time he said something like that two weeks ago will be opened. Again our last exchange 10 days ago was all I miss you and sweet things but it was coupled in between with his accusing me of leaving him and breaking his heart and that he found a home and someone who loved him! Joe could that be? If I could get past that - which I know is another dilemma all together and has more to do w my self esteem - I would be able to get the courage to call him.

      I can't thank everyone enuff for caring enuff to post here it has helped me tremendously Paul, PMCG , paper fairy, Deidre , Hope4cure , etc...

      If after reading this explanation anyone can guide me get past my fear of contacting him I would beyond appreciate it ! This summer has been just awful it is spent working to pay my bills and worrying and bring heartsick .. This is a man I was with every day and night and it's as if he's been ripped away from me

      ❤️ & peace

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    Hi Quadrillion,

                             i dont kinow what is going on in your BF's head - i can only answer you based on my own experience and the experience of other addicts i have talked to over the years-

     there are a couple of possible reasons why your BF has not been in toutch, he may be feeling ashamed of his previous texts and behaviour and may be worried that you will reject any texts he sends you- then again he may of convinced himself that he has been abandoned by you and that you did dump him- as i told you we dont think like other people , we are good at twisting facts and conversations to rationalise our own behaviour- use it as an exscuse to keep drinking and feel sorry for ourselves-

      there is a possibility that he may want to keep on drinking and doesent want anyone interfering with that-

       i would doubt that he has forgotten about you or the life you had together but his version (in his head) of what has occured may bare no resemblance to reality and to what has actually happned- he may convince himself that it will be less painful for you if he doesent make contact and this may also fuel his belief that he is the spurned lover- another great exscuse to continue drinking-

     I wonder how many times you have run through your head what you will say to him, and tried to guess what he will say to you- you have probably had full blown conversations based on various scenarios you have imagined , in your head-

      this is not good - you have no way of knowing what way he is going to react when contact resumes- you must try and live in the present, not in your head imagining the worst, or the best outcome - sorry but as i said before there is no quick fix for this situation- i think you need to concentrate on your mental health, wait and see what develops and what your BF's attitude is when he makes contact- dont try and rehearse your answers, it's not healthy- just be honest with him about how you feel but still stick to your boundaries- meanwhile try not to dwell on the what if's and the maybe's - all the best -

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      Hi pmcg thank you! Thank you is such a short phrase & really does not come to express how much it means to have your input.

      I think all of what you have said is great advice i won't go over scenarios in my head - I promise. And by the way I have always - when he is in touch - been only truthful & sincere - no games ever - about my feelings letting him know how much I love him , how I miss him & how I still believe in him - his reply as I think I've told you is he said "you dont show it well". ! But then will switch and tell me repeatedly how much he misses me and that I'm the only one for him - this as a matter of fact was part of our lady exchange on Tuesday (5 days ago) our text exchange ended very sweet even though it was all over the place throughout the course of the exchange - but now I haven't heard again and have no idea where he is cuz when he told me he found a home I didn't ask where.

      If he has convinced himself that I have spurned him will there be times when he has a sober moment that he thinks and knows what he's saying to me is not true? I ask becuz if he only believes what he has fabricated in his head than everything I've done all the love and devotion, loyalty I've shown he has wiped away? becuz then he views me as someone who doesn't care?? From the people you have known (the alcoholics who have been thru this) do they finally realize they HAVE fabricated beliefs about their partner as a way of making excuses for themselves so they can continue drinking?

      I will continue to pray pmcg, and pray for him, I will be stronger when he texts me again as I will defend myself in a nice and kind way but I will be firm this time if he tries to say I've abandoned him.

      By the way there are birthday presents I bought him that I told him I had for him and he said to stick them you know where -(this was over a week ago) should I send them to his address where he picks up mail? They are truly special gifts maybe if he sees them he will know I never ever left him - I know he picks up his mail or should I hold on to them for when & if he and I see each other hopefully soon?

      Is his dropping out of sight indicative of most likely continued drinking?

      I'm so sorry to bother you with all the questions & promise myself today to get strong and try to stand on my own two feet.

      Anyway pmcg thank you truly you are a great guy with amazing insight and it helps me a lot !

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      Pmcg sorry one other thing where you said he may be ashamed of the texts he has sent and may feel i may not respond .. I had already responded to him when he reached out after the vile vulgar horrible texts he sent and I never mentioned them (excusing them to myself becuz I feel they were from his drinking) - so he has no reason not to text me becuz our last exchange although it was confusing where he blamed me for leaving him and breaking his heart - all not true - they weren't vulgar or horrible as his last texts from before -

      Our last exchange on Tuesday left off telling each other i miss you and that you're beautiful ... But nothing since ... It's so confusing. The reason I added this to my other reply was to let you know there is no reason why he would be ashamed to be in touch with me.

      I truly honestly appreciate your caring enuff to stay in touch.

      Not sure how you see my posts but I also sent one about 20 minutes ago and one also this morning at about

      4 am it was in reply to your post 4 days ago that I never saw till last night .

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      Pmcg if he has convinced himself that I did dump him is there anything I can say to him so he realizes it's NOT True ?
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      Pmcg hi! It's been a while I have been going thru a LOT. My update and truly hoping you can give me your honest opinion.

      After his last text where he said I broke his heart & I left him .. I never texted him cuz we left off with his saying he missed me & loved me.

      Ten days passed. I had not been in touch I wanted him to contact me. Finally ten days later he texted me on a Sunday ... Then from Sunday thru Thursday all day all night he sent THE SWEETEST most loving texts to me about his missing me , loving me and needing to be with me. I reciprocated. I'm telling you it was very special. I knew we had bigger issues that were going to have to be addressed but since it was clear we were most likely going to see each other very soon I kept it light . Btw I have NOT recvd one "current" photo or video of him this is something he used to do all the time .. The only photos and videos are old photos and older videos .. The last current video I recvd mid August he looked horrible thin and sick (and he's a very big muscle bound guy usually) - so back to his texts they were for five days straight morning noon and night -... Middle of the nights simple "I love you " he would send .. Sent photos of us togeher and everything so loving THEN this past Friday morning at 4 am I get a text from him out of a sound sleep.. I'm thinking it's an I. Love you text instead he wrote "I have a new girlfriend honey. I will always love you. Ur BEAUTUFUL"

      I had not bothered him for those ten days prior to his week long absence I hadn't stalked him didn't call him HE got in touch with me and proceeded to say all the sweet things and show us in photos together . (His best friend by the way called me and said word is that he is NOT doing well at all) he has not even texted his best friend in 4 weeks.

      Please tell me your honest opinion about this ? Is this true ? Is it possible he's lying? It just does not make sense. I have not responded to his text . Needless to say my heart was ripped in two when I woke up thinking it was an I love you text only to see that . I don't know how to post this message but I would love to know what paper fairy , Deidre and hope 4 cure think about this... Since his last text I have been praying to stay strong. Please tell me what you think and if I'm doing the right thing not replying. And if you think he'll be in touch. If you could see what he wrote for those five days leading up to his last text you would be equally confused. Thank you SO MUCH if you will help me.

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      HI. THis is so complicated I am at a loss what to suggest. However, he is certainly not to be trusted and I doubt that he is worth all your efforts. Sorry, but the truth has to be said. It is up to you be it just seems so tricky and I still wish you best of luck
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      Robin THANK YOU! There's yet another update I swear I wish there were a magic potion I could take that would make me forget all this. After eight days after he sent that text about having a new girlfriend I never responded. And it was most difficult eight days then this past Friday he texted me and for four days straight kept trying to get in touch with me and I didn't respond. It wasn't that I didn't want to it was because I was just afraid that he was going to do the same thing. He sent videos of himself and even try calling me three times in a row I never picked up. His videos he looked horrible. It was the first real time video or photo that I've received since Mid August. And his phone messages three and a row on Sunday started sweet and progressively by the last one he was accusing me of being with someone else which is strange if he has a girlfriend why would he care. Both his best friend and his daughter tell me it's just not true that he is lying. I finally responded to his text Tuesday and we had a brief exchange and nothing since Tuesday. My plan is to call his daughter ( she had contacted me on Tuesday) I plan on calling her on Tuesday and together call him because he seems to need a lot of help. Robin when you say he's not to be trusted and not worth my efforts I understand although he does have an illness and everything is doing and all his behavior I believe is because everything is unraveled on him this summer. He's not capable of being in a real relationship anyway. I just pray I can help him. Do you have any additional thoughts? I would really appreciate it. Love to you XOXO
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    You have to stop analysing everything or you'll make yourself ill. Basically he's very angry when he's drinking about what's happening to him which he can't control. He's very ill. It's like he's Jekyl and Hyde. He will take it out on those who love him the most. Because he's angry and hurt and wants you to feel pain to. He probably won't remember what he's done(will delete his nasty texts so he's not reminded of them). He's possessed by the drink and you have to remember it's not him so it's pointless letting it hurt you. He will change when he's ready and had enough. And you'll be there to pick up the pieces...so just ignore any texts when he's drinking as its a waste of time. Good luck..from a recovering heavy drinker..
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      Hi Paper fairy.. thank you for reading my long posts ... You are so right I going to make myself ill if I continue like this & I am praying for strength so I get strong. It's like a nightmare from being together every day and night to this - it's awful - like a bad dream . I know that if he is in touch with his best friend, mother father or daughter that they all talk about how much I've been there for him - i just cannot bear to think he thinks I haven't been there for him when I've dropped everything for this man. I will take your advice and thank you for taking the time to write here to me - thank you it helps me on a Sunday to get this message Sunday's are very hard for me becuz we always spent such great Sunday's together

      Thank you xo

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