LPR/Silent Reflux - desperately in need of a miracle. Has anyone recovered from this?
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Hi - I'll be as brief as possible. For almost a year I have had symptoms which have worsened, starting with throat clearing and progressing to regular spiting out of white, frothy stuff, post nasal drip, lump in throat or sharp sensation, streaming or blocked nose and hoarseness. These are all unpleasant and irritating but because I talk for a living my work is becoming badly affected so it is now making me depressed and anxious as well. I was referred to ENT, had the camera up the nose and down the throat to rule out anything sinister and was given Omeprazole and Gaviscon Advance. No advice, no explanation. I had to find it all out myself. (and I'm not confident/assertive with docs, either).
The drugs haven't helped, I'd go so far as to say the reflux significantly worsened. I had faith in the Gaviscon Advance having read how it works but that hasn't made any difference either. I have monitored everything I eat and drink and can't find anything that triggers it with the possible exception of bread, and I may be grasping at straws there. Certainly coffee, alcohol, spicy food etc don't trigger it and ginger, acidophillus, apple cider vinegar don't help. It does seem to be cyclical - I'll have a week or so of decreased symptoms then it gradally works up again to two or 3 weeks of hell. No heartburn, and the reflux is almost always upright, no problems sleeping...just the other 17 hours a day! The ENT was brusque on my return visit and said that, aside from speech therapy, there was nothing more he could do for me. This can't go on, though. At it's worst it makes me tearful and desperate at work and speech therapy isn't going to stop me spitting up into a whole toilet roll each day, or reduce the other symptoms. I'm also worried my teeth will rot and I fear for my job. Has anyone experienced this with the same pattern/lack of triggers etc? I would love to hear any positive experiences that don't just repeat the same old same old, ie, raise the bed 6 inches, dos and donts with food etc.
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CoolBreeze
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sandy_56621
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lisa71470
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I have suffered with allergies all of my life but this year had been particularly bad, prescription antihistamines and a newby for me allergy induced asthma. Was given fexofenadine and clynil back in April.
So back to point, with the nasal congestion and sore throat ( right side only) I started with acid reflux, have had this on and off in the past but not with the other symptoms. So a trip to the local gp and was prescribed
Omperazole, this seemed to work ok but I still had the nasal congestion which o be honest has been driving me mad, it is mainly on the one side but it does alternate occasionally.
My other symptoms have been pressure on bridge of nose, burning in maxillary sinuses and dizziness which I can relate to my allergies, even though I am still taking antihistsmines.
2 courses of anti biotics to make sure nothing was infected but I had a feeling nothing was infected.
With the acid I don't get the feeling of things getting stuck in my throat , I don't have a cough or hoarseness,
Just a sore throat and sinus congestion.
Today it has all started over again, both the acid and the sinus allergy problems, the only thing I have done
Is being exposed to mold,
Is there anyone out there who can relate to all this.?
The latest prescription was for singular , don't really get that one,!!?!!
Thanks
greg19477
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I call u friends because u have all helped me through my year and a half of torment. (although mine has not been half as difficult as some.)
I started getting sore throats and earaches about 1 and a half years ago. It never stopped. Nothing helped. I had a camera in my throat 3 times the third said that there was an opening of the LES. I was basically told no hope except the usual meds no fats no alcholol etc.. It was aweful. I got dipressed and it put a strain on my relationship. I tried everything apple cider head up in bed nothing helped. Earlier this year I also tried the Ph diet all to no avail.
I wanted to share my experience with those still suffering. (i say still because i feel im on the way out)I had problems with all the meds they gave me it just increased my problems. I was sooooooooooo scared of cancer it was all i could think about. I decided i wanted to get an op done even though my symptons were mild i didnt want the hasle of cancer. ( hassle !!!!)
I asked the doctor about the fundo whatsitcalled. He said i wouldnt be able to lift my son again if i had it and also i could nver vomit again. I walked out and said i wasnt interested.I thought about the magnetic strip that they have in the us and uk but I dont have the money as I am an expat and would have to pay for it.
One day on the net i found a small note about a book called heartburn cured. I bought it and decided to follow his low carb diet.
2 weeks later and drinking wine and eating meat and veg I felel 99 percent better and am hoping for a full recovery. PLease try this book it really helped me. I hope it helps you too out of the dark place.
Greg
This made me really down. I went back to the net to see if i had missed something.
greg19477
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cml
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I was so blessed to find this site and get many answers and the strength to seek a different solution to my didiagnosis of LPR reflux/silent reflux. The ENT I saw gave me a script for 6 weeks of prilosec - 4 (20mg) tablets a day and Flovent to calm my throat down. Anyways.......I wasn't doing the prilosec...no way.
Searched around and asked many questions and here is what is working for me .....2 weeks now
I also had blood work done to determine what I am allergic too. I am moderately allergic to peanuts, very low allergic response to gluten/wheat/oat/lemon/cantalope/shell fish and maple trees.
Thus I have gone gluten free, wheat free.....etc. I am to avoid the above foods for 3 months and then slowly introduce if I choose to. I will see.
Stress caused all this mess in my body, along with eating whole wheat muffins with peanut butter and banana on top in the morning. I also loved drinking my 8 glasses of water with fresh squeezed lemon in it.
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Drinking water with a pH of 9
Probiotic in the morning on empty stomach and in the evening on empty stomach
Digestive enzyme before every meal.
Trikatu (digest support ) after breakfast and supper.
Whole leaf Aloe Vera juice - 2 TBL spoon after every meal.
Oh yes......I don't eat three hours before bed and no water two hours before bed.
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So is it working......YES YES YES
I feel like a new person. Stomach is calm. Tickle in throat is gone. Cough is gone. My larynx (voice box) is healing....if I talk a lot my voice will become hoarse....this may take a little longer to be completely healed. I am sleeping 8 hours again. I did elevate my bed....trying to decide if I should undo this - I may wait the 3 months till I undo this. I will let you know. In the beginning before I had
a diagnosis....I was trying everything. I went to gastrinologist...he said I do not have GERD, he said he never heard of LPR?? He said I have a severe case of allergic rhinitis with an aggravated larynx.
The ENT did scope my throat..which I was very thankful for because he saw that all was pink and healthy, only my larynx was irritated. I then contacted a person who works with herbs and suggested the above list of supplements I am taking. Then I visited my doctor who ordered the blood test to see what I was allergic to.....we put all the information together and he agreed with the probiotic, digestive enzyme, trikatu, aloe vera....and said go for it.
The past two weeks have been wonderful for my body and my peace .....having a plan of action and knowing my healing is coming.
Thanks for listening
cml
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i was recently diagnosed with lpr by an ent after scoping my throat....larynx was mostly irritated....the restof my insides were fine. you can read my note above about what i am doing. you can also contact me by e-mail to find out where i bought the supplements if you want and you can also talk to her and tell her your symptoms.
hope if works for you as it is working for me
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i was recently diagnosed with lpr by an ent after scoping my throat....larynx was mostly irritated....the restof my insides were fine. you can read my note above about what i am doing. you can also contact me by e-mail to find out where i bought the supplements if you want and you can also talk to her and tell her your symptoms.
hope if works for you as it is working for me
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natsul73
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I have to say I feel very relieved to have found his site - it seems to have answered all my symptoms I have had for some time now.
I am going to ENT later today and I have armed myself with my list of symptoms. It will be very interesting to see if the specialist diagnoses that I have LPR or nothing at all!
I certainly have all the same symptoms as everyone else here - the coughing to clear my throat, lots of muscus, too much saliva production, loss of voice etc - but could I ask if anyone has these symptoms as well please:
• Sneeze LOTS - especially first thing in the morning
• Constant ringing in ear/s
• Choke on certain foods or even when laughing out loud?
• Loss of voice after talking for a while in a meeting at work say?
It would be really helpful to know if these are all linked to LPR as well?
Good luck to everyone else - I really hope you all find some sort of solution to help relieve your symptoms.
I've yet to discover mine :-/
Thanks
Natalie
jon08211
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I have reflux disorder and yes I share several of your symptoms: I sneeze (loudly) in the morning; have tinnitus and my voice deteriorates when talking for a while - in meetings, on the phone, and especially when singing. This is particularly upsetting for me, as I have been running a choir, and have to give that up. I have spoken to professional singers who have reflux problems - I think it may be linked somehow?
I am new to this site, but have had this condition for many years. My main trouble is choking at night, which can be very frightening - does anyone else have thoughts on what can help that? I have tried not eating after 6 and elevating the head of my bed, and I sleep with masses of pillows - all to no sustainable benefit.
I have seen specialists, who want me to have tests such as ph manometry and endoscopy, but I am very anxious that they might actually make the condition and my voice worse?
I have not read the whole of this thread yet, so apologies if all this has been mentioned earlier.. It is a great help to be able to read and share experiences with others.
Thanks,
J
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greg19477
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I found a wonderfull site by http://chriskresser.com/get-rid-of-heartburn-and-gerd-forever-in-three-simple-steps
i am trying the low carb diet. It keeps getting better then i mess up by eating some sugar or other things. I have had a constant sore throat for about 1 year now and a few months. I am constantly terrified my esophogus is messed up. I am still on the low carb diet as it has been the most succesful thing i have done i must be more strict though. Trouble is when i get a bit of relief I think mmmm lets munch hahahhaah.
I am going to buy some aloe vera tablets and some hci tablets and going to buy some new kefir grains. I have a box of digestive enzymes too. I am also gonna try to get some bitters.
Im gonna put it all together and beat this cursed thing
i will let u know how it goes.
Good luck
I too was thinking about the band magnet thing but will really have to save up as they dont do it where i live and i am an expat so will have to pay if i want to go back to the uk
good luck let us know what works
we are all in this together.
JPT
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For all possible LPR (Airway Reflux) sufferers here are the basic things to do before you contemplate surgery. For many this will improve symptoms to the point where you don't need it.
For others like me LINX was an additional benefit.
1. Lose weight, borderline BMI is not good enough, get shot of some more pounds now.
Start the fasting 5:2 diet, your body will lose weight and repair itself
2. Eat 3 small meals a day never a 1 large one.
3. Stop eating fat!!!
I've just returned from the USA and put on 5lbs in 2 week, everything is fried and its hard to find a vegetable. Fat and protein makes the body overproduce acid and Pepsin.
4. Practise Diaphragm Breathing, This will strengthen the muscles that make the LES muscles work.
5. Get some alkaline drops online and use them in your drinking water to gargle and swallow.
Also use as a nasal rinse.
This will lift the pH to over pH8.0 which will denature (kill off) the aspirated Pepsin than is causing inflammation and your airway problems.
6. Improve the speed food moves through your stomach with a high fibre supplement like 'Fibogel'
7. Don't eat or drink anything 3 hours before bed.
8. Drink no soda or alcohol or caffiene.
9. Try this, Come back here in a month and tell me how you feel.
My research notes are available if you want to send me an email direct.
Best Regards JPT
greg19477
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Its all good advice. The only thing I would have to go opposite with you is the fat. On a low carb you eat a lot of lean meat and i have never felt better. Also butter in my eggs and even my coffee. The book I mentioned in an earlier post is called heartburn cured Norm Robillard and he says the problem is that we have a weak les muscle. when we eat carbs be them sweets fruit veg the microbes in our gut produce nitrogen. This creates pressure in our upper gut and will cause a weak les muscle to open. When you change to a low carb diet and consume more protein it is broken down further down the gut. so the gas passes out the other end.allowing the weak les muscle to close and stop reflux passing up.
Please dont shoot the messenger. The more I find out about reflux the more i think it is up to each individual.
I have to say i have had more positive results with this that with a low fat diet. I don't know why it just worked out that way. Your advice iss good. Im not looking for a fight just wanted to pass on what has helped me. Also again I think people have to see what works for each of them. The book is worth a read.
Greg