My Experience - 7 Weeks After Nhs Halo And Haemorrhoidectomy
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I am a 49-year old male and had stage 3 piles for about 5 years. They never really caused me any pain or suffering per se but were an inconvenience. I had been to my GP ages ago to make sure it wasn't anything serious. Towards the end of 2009 I decided to see what options I might have for sorting them out as I figured I wouldn't want them to get worse and despite being fit and healthy and eating well, they had not gone away of my own accord.
I went to my GP and she did a digital exam and said they were very small - didn't seem like it to me - she said she could refer me if I wanted but I declined. A few weeks later I figured I was copping out and returned to get a referral. I went to see a consultant locally who got me to come back for banding. This was very easy and though it was a bit uncomfortable I was optimistic that it would sort it all out. It didn't - even though it seemed like it would work it in fact made no difference whatsoever. I returned to him and he said he would try the schlerotherapy and another banding as they were quite big and the portable banding machine wasn't up to it. Again nothing really changed.
I read all these forums and was in two minds like so many others whether to pursue it any more. After all I was not in pain per se and clearly some people have really awful experiences, sometimes made worse by the tteatment - I knew I certainly didn't want anything slicing off! I read up what I could about HALO but it seemed to be mainly sales pitch. I decided to see the consultant again and ask him about it. He said he didn't know anything about it but his next step would be banding under GA and he was confident that would do it.
For one reason or another I wasn't convinced and so I called the HALO people and found out where there was locally that did it. They also told me how much it would cost privately (?3k+) but that with a referral I could probably get it on the NHS. A few weeks later I had a session with a consultant who explained the whole thing - also diagnosing a polyp as well as piles - which would never have responded to banding so I was glad to have taken the 2nd opinion. Anyway he put me on the waiting list for a polyp exision and possible HALO.
Time came around in about 6 weeks and I went into hospital for the first time in my life to have day surgery. I was apprehensive but quite positive. The whole experience was very reassuring - the staff were great and I felt very cared for and the surgeon was friendly and explained things. I signed on the dotted line, had my pre-med and felt the curtains close
Woke up feeling fine about 30 mins later. The surgeon explained to my surprise and a bit of shock that they had had to cut a large pile off so I might have a longer recovery time than expected (he had said at least 2 weeks for HALO and up to 10 for pilectomy). That concerned me a bit, espceially when the nurse brought my meds to take home - 3 types of opioid painkiller, 2 types of laxative and some antibiotics. I got the impression they were trying to tell me something. I stayed about 2 hours to satisfy them I'd had a wee, eaten and drunk some fluids etc and got my wife to pick me up.
Felt pretty OK generally even with after effects of the GA - ate and drank lightly and feared the first pooh which came 2 days after the op. Uncomfortable certainly but not especially painful. The absolute best thing after each BM was a nice warm shower spray for a few minutes which really soothed the bruised feeling. This got better over the next 7 to 10 days. I work from home so was fortunate that I didn't need to take time off per se after the first day getting my head clearer but I wouldn't have wanted to have to commute or be away from home.
There were some bad bits but not what I would have expected. The worst bit by far, and it was _horrible_ was the antibiotic (metronidazole)- I had to take it for 5 days and didn't realise what a nasty drug it is (check it out on ****)- around day 3 I was finding alternate nights of complete insomnia, nausea, sweating and a really depressing state of mind feeling like I would never get better. I googled all the meds and realised it was the AB and that these were fairly common side-effects. If I had had a longer run of them I would have asked to change but I figured I would see them out. It was awful and I did have another day off cos I just felt so damn bad from them. My advice here - don't just take what is given to you and not check it out - be aware of what has been prescribed (in fairness they did say thatsome of the meds could give nausea, constipation etc but I didn't expect this one to be so heavy).
The other downside was the laxative - I should have had clearer instructions. You definitely want to make sure you have soft stools etc and are acutely aware that what you eat has to come out the other end - soups, bran flakes, porridge etc are great for this. However if you just take teh laxatives as prescribed - and you are not already constipated (I am always regular)- then they will just play havoc and have you very windy (which also seems to come from the GA gases) and farting all the time with a sore anus is quite painful/uncomfortable in itself (esp if you're not too sure what might be coming down the pipes!) It kept me awake a bit.
What I should have thought with the meds from teh starts is - take them /if/ needed (except see below)
So I had been prescribed metronidazole as mentioned - I took that for the 5 days. I had 3 painkillers - Tramadol which I didn't bother taking, Codrydamol, I took a couple but then didn't bother (and my wife used them all up on migraines!) and Diclofenac - this last one I should have taken all the time but didn't. It is an anti-inflammatory and because I didn't bother with it I think I put myself back a couple days with a very sore and inflamed bottom - so this one I would say take as a matter of course (and I didn't have any side effects). For laxatives I had lactulose syrup and ispagel husks - both are palatable enough but as above I realised after a coupe of days that I probably didn't need them.
All told I was not incapacitated at all. It took a good week to not be too worried about the next BM. After that it just was a process of it getting better every day. The main thing was that the prolapsing piles/polyp were gone and that was a great relief. Had a check up last week and I would say I now feel 100% down there and no concerns at all.
I am very pleased I went ahead with it - I had overcome embarrassment about it ages ago and plain speaking is all that is needed - my reticence had been around being \"operated\" on but that all went very smoothly. I know there are some horror stories on here where people say that the op is worse than the piles but I am sure that complications are in the minority and I would not hesitate in recommending anyone suffering and holding back, check out a good consultant and have it all sorted out. I was glad I had it sorted out when I was fit and in good shape - I think that plays a big part in making the op run smoothly and the caring for oneself that much easier. If was old, infirm or very overweight I think it would be harder. Weight wise I had lost nearly 3 stone over the last 18 months and again I think that helped keep recuperation short.
If, and I hope they don't, recur then I would happily go down the same route again. I hope this story helps others.
Mr Relieved of Surrey
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lorraine90765 Guest
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kendogs lorraine90765
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noura93 Guest
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hello thank you for your text
so I just did the operation of hémoroïdes this week and now i'm in day 5. the pain was bearable but I notice lumps at the site of the incision 2
bumps i'm really scred because i did this operation in order to have a smoother ass lol not worse. is that temporary? did it happen to you? did it disappear ?
thank you for your answer
mia54105 noura93
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What operation did u have ?
noura93 mia54105
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2 external hemorroïdes
Cezzabell Guest
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Ok so I had halo surgery 4 days ago. I'm 23 and had 2 large hemroids which came as a result of sitting too long on the loo, I have Crohn's disease so had no other choice. They were making me severely anemic n bleeding heavily daily so needed something done. However if i knew this is how bad the recovery is I wouldn't have done it. I stupidly avoided reading too much about it so I didn't freak myself out.
Newcastle hospital were great. The surgeon made 7 stitches in total and said it went well.
However as soon as I came round the pain hit me instantly. I've dealt with my fair share of pain dealing with Crohn's but this was a whole new level! I had morphine, tramadol, buscopan, and an anti inflammatory. They kept me in for 7 hours then i went home. I have been avoiding eating. And avoiding the laxatives just sticking to Ora morph.Day 2 was ok spent it sleeping mainly. Day 3 I woke up looking pregnant so bloated with wind which I can't get out due to pain and pressure in anus. Day 4 and omg wow it's bad. I've spent 16 hours in the bath. Every time the wind comes it feels like it's bout explode my bum in 2! Can't tell if I need a BM, if it's just swelling, or it's the gas but I currently can only describe this pain like giving birth to a awkward shaped Alien from my butt! Only managed 1 fart after a full day of trying. Feel blocked. Anyone thinking bout doing the surgery... DONT piles is way better than this!
sorebutt Cezzabell
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Cezzabell sorebutt
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How long did it take for the pain to pass? I've just vomitted, and the pain is again unreal, passing a lot of gas too, but when I sit on the loo nothing will come out, not even the bandages still up there will come out. What scan did they do to look for impaction? I feel like I could have this for sure. Oh yes if I had a gun I for sure would have pulled the trigger by now
sorebutt Cezzabell
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The pain killer I was given that did seem to help was gab a pen tin . That was after a week or so , and so it may also have been that the pain was also subsiding a bit .Â
Cezzabell sorebutt
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Ok so day 10. Completely different to last week. The intense pain that made me want to sell my soul to Satan has passed. Now it's more of an achey discomfort with paracetamol can keep at bay. The next issue I had to face was naseau. Finally combatted that with an anti sickness pill. I finally started eating on day 7. Just mushed up fruit or veg, and I did eat 3 crisps because I was so desperate for some happiness 😂. I take stool softener so everything moves quite well 3 times a day. Doing the squat toilette position but already been doing this for years in fact I think that position maybe gave me the piles in the first place.
Now the new drama is the piles have returned. My body pushed to hard after one BM and the stitches ripped leaving me back to square one pile wise. This now means crazy amounts of blood. I have the darker blood and blood clots passing from my surgery, but I also have crazy massive amounts of bright red blood like I did before I went for the surgery which makes me believe that's the pile bleeding.
Worried I'm going to loose to much and simply die on the toilette like elvis did. I'm too young for such a dramatic death thanks.
I reckon I'm losing half a pint of blood a day. Taking two iron supplements to try and keep me alive.
I will say again. Anyone going for the surgery. DONT BLOODY DO IT!! It needs to be banned in my opinion!!
sorebutt Cezzabell
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Been there and got the t shirt . Every visit to the toilet for me for a long time lost me about quarter to third pint of blood . Its so scary , but mine went on for years , and in the end , I lost the fear over it as it just became the norm . I kinda expected someone to find me on the toilet one day , white and empty . As much as you dont want to go through any more of this barbaric treatment , you probably ought to get them to fix this , as its a burst of their making . I can remember for days after my op , not getting BM's , and so many wated trips to the loo . One day the urge was so huge to go that it was like my body started to push it out by itself , my body was pushing soo hard , and i wasnt even controlling it . I honestly didnt know if I about to turn myself inside out .
I didnt know that Elvis died on the potty ???
Cezzabell sorebutt
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Haven't replied for a few days due to a trip to A&E. Was passing far to much blood. Huge clots the size of my foot kept passing in the bath, then after about 10 of these I passed out. Ambulance rushed me to the hospital but unfortunately my local hospital is not a good one. They first gave me antibiotics thinking it was infected then took me back off them deciding it wasn't. Turns out my blood pressure dropped too much from the blood loss. They got that under control now I'm home again. Eating s very easy digestible diet. Never knew how much I would appreciate avocado. BM 3 times a day which is runny and burns like hell but not u bearable and definitely better than previously. Also bleeding has stopped for now amen hallelujah. First time since I can remember I can go this regularly without bleeding. Still have hemroids but feel like I have finally stated my road to recovery.14 days later. It has not been an easy road. But hope this journey has helped put anyone off who is considering doing this. And yes rumour has it Elvis died on the loo Haha
sorebutt Cezzabell
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Hi Cezzabell . How are you getting on now ? I'm hoping you are well on your road to recovery now . Oh , had to google the whole Elvis thing ... yep you're right
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Cezzabell sorebutt
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3 and a half weeks later. Finally recovered from pain and bleeding. Just struggling with energy levels now. Can barely walk 100m without getting breathless. Feel faint a lot of the time. Think it's going to take a long time to rebuild my muscles and fitness back to normal and get over all the trauma and anxiety it's left. Also still have the roids just not bleeding at least. Hoping in 3 months I will finally have my life back. Thanks for the support of this forum.
pidge83 Guest
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Hello,
This thread is the one that comes up first when I've been googling for info on HALO, so I thought I'd share my experiences now I'm at day 12 post-op (HALO + RAR).
I must confess that reading this thread had scared the hell out of me due to the amount of bad experiences. I consoled myself by telling myself that those with a notable bad expereince will be more likely to register and comment on the procedure. My sympathies lie with those still suffering - I thought I'd be joining you for a week or so, but looks like things have improved for me.
Had a day procedure done on Wednesday 7th Sept. Was more worried about the anaesthetic at the time as it was my first, but that all went okay. Came out Wednesday after a dose of Oramorph, which is lovely stuff! Was walking around fine on Wednesday - I could feel that something had been shoved up me, but it wasn't too uncomfortable. The consultant signed me off work for two weeks (those sites saying you can return to normal activities after 48 hours... well I'm guessing those people have never had the op!!).
Woke up Thursday morning and could feel it a lot more. Still wasn't agony, just sore and felt bruised, a bit like someone had smack my backside with a cricket bat. Had a small bowel movement on Thursday. It stung, but was nowhere near as bad as I feared. Not much came out, so I thought I'd leave it till it came out easily. Was taking Movicol as a stool softener.
Friday it all went a bit wrong. Kept having stomach cramps with a real urgency to dash to the toilet. These would happen every four hours or so, but with very little end product other than a bit of blood and maybe a very small bit of stool, which was quite fluffy and foamy. Not pleasant. On one of my visits, the urgency was so great that I couldn't control it. I pushed way harder than I would like to after an op, but I didn't feel in control. By this time, the pain had me gasping for air and gripping the sides. Afterwards I just had to go and lie down and felt like sobbing. Not fun.
This pattern continued. I was eating, far less than usual but was eating fairly decent meals with some regularity, but I was acutely aware that what went in was no coming out. Took a Senokot on Friday night, which just seemed to make the urgency and the gas worse, again with little end product. I was getting some out, but it was in the way of one or two very small stools six or seven times a day, each one with considerable pain.
This eventually lessened over the next few days, until Tuesday, six days after the op, when I started getting the cramps, day and night, every hour or two. By this time I'd stopped taking the laxative and stool softener on the advice of the consultant, who I'd called as I was starting to really worry.
By Wednesday, a week had gone and I was sick of it. Starting to think I'd have to cancel my holiday at the end of the month, and really regretted having the op at all. Then suddenly, Wednesday afternoon, same urgency, but bang, a decent bowel movement. Good sized stools, only a little blood (the blood in my stools was almost like the stools had veins - weird). Felt instantly ten times better. The cramps stopped, and that night, I slept through.
Thinking I'd turned the corner, Thursday and Friday were the same. A decent movement, little pain, maybe it's all over.
Friday night/Sat morning, 4am, something weird happened. Woke up, massive urgency to go. Ran to the toilet, sat down, and BANG. I don't know what happened but I can only describe it as a blood bomb. Red toilet water, tiny shatted bits of stool that looked like scabs. More than a little distressing. Even after a couple of flushes, there was blood still stuck to the teoilet, so it was really sticky blood. I did what any right thinking person would do, and ignored it, hoping it would go away.
Woke up on Saturday, a bit anxious but also trying to convince myself it was just a bad dream.
Had the normal desire to open my bowels on Saturday morning, so did. A good, easily-passed bowel movement. No blood. Okay...
Then another. And another. It seemed I had some catching up to to.
Sunday, the same - a couple of comfortable, simple, blood-free bowel movements, like a normal person.
Monday morning, today, the same.
Is it over? Is it done? I bloody well hope so. No idea what happened Friday night, but it's as if my body just decided it has had enough, shat out all the 'bad', and now I feel like a new man!
I'll come back and update in a few days in case anything else weird happens, but I'm hopeful that that was the end of my jounrey. A few short days ago I really regretted having it done, but if this is indeed it, then it was worth the short term pain for a life free of piles.
Best wishes to those out there still suffering.
pidge83
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An update on day 14 since I had the op. All going swimmingly the last few days. Pooing like a normal person. I get up this morning, head to the toilet, and bang, another blood bomb. A LOT of blood. Somewhat disconcerting. Things only got better after the last one, so hoping that trend continues.
I believe when you have banding done, the piles eventually shrivel and are passed out. I've no idea if this also happens with he HALO - no one's told me. I'm consoling myself by thining 'I'm just getting rid of the piles', but I've no idea if this is true or if I have some terrible fissure that's going to give me blood poisoning. Another few weeks before I see the consultant, so if I'm still alive and kicking by then, I suppose all is good!
Little_Miss_RC pidge83
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Hi pidge83 - I've been on hol so only just read your post. I had HALO procedure in May 2015. My consultant told me that some people pass a large amount of blood approx 10 to 14 days after the op - he said he didn't know why this happens to some people but warned me it could happen. Although my recovery was far from easy, this was one of the after effects that fortunately didn't happen to me. I don't know why people aren't told what to expect after HALO. I was told I would be able to return to work after 1 week, I was off sick for 4 week and even then it was a struggle. I hope you are feeling much better now.
pidge83 Little_Miss_RC
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Hi Little Miss,
Thanks for sharing that info - that's quite reassuring. I'm happy to say my recovery is going well - exercising and living normally again, and going to the toilet like a normal human being is a simple process and doesn't feel like a small military operation anymore! Very happy I had the op now - seems a long time ago I made the above posts!
Mrs_Hope pidge83
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I had my HALO+RAR 10 days ago. The blood bomb (3 times) happened to me 7 days after operation as you described exactly. I was taken to the hospital by the ambulance. Due to the significant amount of blood loss, they have given me 2 units of blood transfusion and still in the hospital as I am typing to observe my bleeding. Hopefully by now you have fully recovered.